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How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by ahmetgns on 05-09-2007 at 05:02 PM
I think there was two idle statuses of Messenger at older versions which one of them has been activated after some inactivity delay and the other one when screensaver starts or user went back to Start Screen of Windows. But I think in this version 8.1, they are integrated together to a single Idle status. Can you confirm this? I have surprised when I noticed this just now.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by CookieRevised on 05-09-2007 at 11:24 PM
There always was and there still is only 1 idle status, namely 'Idle'....
'Idle' is _only_ activated when you enable the WLM option "Show me as away after x minutes". This has always been the case in the past and it still is.
When you enable "Show me as busy when I run a fullscreen app." your status will not be idle, it will be "Busy", just as the caption says. This has also always been the case in the past.
And as you can see both those options are still present, nothing has changed regarding that. The "set me as busy" is right below the "show me as away" in the preferences, I dunno how you can miss that... if you looked at the preferences at least...
Those two have always been the only two features regarding Messenger automatically changing your status.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by ahmetgns on 05-10-2007 at 07:03 PM
Yes, I made a mistake. But I didn't mean how many different idle statuses exist, if it was so their names wouldn't be same, would they? I wondered if there are two different status signals which are sent by different events. And now I have discovered why I thought that there are such two different Idle statuses. Because when I was using Windows Live Messenger's Beta version before it was officially released, I saw sometimes "contact name (Idle)" on my contact list, I think you had used that Beta version and you had seen such a status instead of Away for your contacts too. But as CookieRevised said and as I know, it was saying "Show me as "Away" to my contacts if I am inactive for -- minutes". So I was seeing sometimes Away and sometimes Idle on my contacts' names. As far as I know, not only an inactive delay but also screensaver and switching back to Start Screen of Windows trigger Idle status too. So I thought, if my contacts are inactive for a delay they set, my Messenger show them as Away (and I know this is a different status from normal Away one); and if my contacts' screensaver starts, my Messenger show them as Idle. So I supposed there are two different signals for two different hidden statuses. I am sorry for bringing such a simple discussion to the board also.
If you could understand my writings and my point here, please state it by PMing me. This will help me improve my English if it is really bad as you say.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by CookieRevised on 05-10-2007 at 07:08 PM
quote:This forum is meant for asking questions like that, so no worries there...
Originally posted by ahmetgns
I am sorry for bringing such a simple discussion to the board also.
RE: RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by Apatik on 05-10-2007 at 07:24 PM
quote:Aah, sorry but you've lost me at "I think you had used...", I'm afraid that sentence is quite inconsistent, tense-wise. (And who is "you"?)
Originally posted by ahmetgns
Yes, I made a mistake. But I didn't mean how many different idle statuses exist, if it was so their names wouldn't be same, would they? I wondered if there are two different status signals which are sent by different events. And now I have discovered why I thought that there are such two different Idle statuses. Because when I was using Windows Live Messenger's Beta version before it was officially released, I saw sometimes "contact name (Idle)" on my contact list, I think you had used that Beta version and you had seen such a status instead of Away for your contacts too. But as CookieRevised said and as I know, it was saying "Show me as "Away" to my contacts if I am inactive for -- minutes". So I was seeing sometimes Away and sometimes Idle on my contacts' names. As far as I know, not only an inactive delay but also screensaver and switching back to Start Screen of Windows trigger Idle status too. So I thought, if my contacts are inactive for a delay they set, my Messenger show them as Away (and I know this is a different status from normal Away one); and if my contacts' screensaver starts, my Messenger show them as Idle. So I supposed there are two different signals for two different hidden statuses. I am sorry for bringing such a simple discussion to the board also.
If you could understand my writings and my point here, please state it by PMing me. This will help me improve my English if it is really bad as you say.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by ahmetgns on 05-10-2007 at 11:15 PM
I have just noticed that it is nothing but Messenger Plus! Live's new feature (Show contacts as Idle instead of Away....). agh how silly I'm. Right, it has been started showing it like that when I installed Messenger Plus! Live 6 months ago. And from that time until now, this had remained (MenthiX, is this usage correct) in my mind as a question mark. Also until the time I attempt to translate Plus!, I was not aware of the most features of Plus!. Thus, it is nothing about Beta or screensaver etc. .
quote:MenthiX, you may be right. That tense is one the tenses which I could never accurately understand when I'll use it.
Originally posted by MenthiX
Aah, sorry but you've lost me at "I think you had used...", I'm afraid that sentence is quite inconsistent, tense-wise.
And another suggestion which is again unrelated to the topic, I have translated that "Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when appropriate" as "Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when they aren't active (Note that 'active' is the exact word which WLM has in its option about it). Because I don't think new Messenger Plus! Live users can easily understand what that appropriate means and that option is about. To your information... Maybe you will (MenthiX, CookieRevised, some translators who read this post and all others [is it clear who 'you' here is, MenthiX?]) like the idea.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by Apatik on 05-10-2007 at 11:33 PM
Eeer, I'm not MenthiX lol... 
I still don't get everything in your 2nd post but whatever. WLM's got only one Idle status triggered by the "Show me as away after x minutes" feature, but also by the Windows XP's "Session switching" (don't know how this is called in english Windows versions, the Win+L thing), and maybe by the screensaver too?
About your suggestion, I don't know if it's really more accurate than the existing sentence. When an user is Away, he's not active either (supposedly)...
edit : yeah, he even changed it in the quote tag... ?
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by ahmetgns on 05-11-2007 at 07:30 AM
I misremembered who posted this post. And I didn't use quote buttons directly, I copied what MenthiX, sorry Apatik wrote and I didn't pay attention who is the owner of the post when copying them. Anyways.
quote:But it says 'Instead of Away', so people would notice it is talking about the 'Away' status which WLM states in its option. Also if it was like you told, Plus! option would say 'Override Away status of my contacts as Idle'. OK this didn't be a very distinct thing from the original option.
Originally posted by [s
MenthiX[/s] Apatik]About your suggestion, I don't know if it's really more accurate than the existing sentence. When an user is Away, he's not active either (supposedly)...
I am shutting up now.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by CookieRevised on 05-15-2007 at 12:30 PM
quote:Then why do you post about it in this thread. Stop doing that!
Originally posted by ahmetgns
And another suggestion which is again unrelated to the topic
You suggestion here is about translating, this should go in the Translation forums...
quote:'instead of away' means showing something instead of the word "away", it doesn't mean instead of the status Away.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But it says 'Instead of Away'
When a user has the status Away, the word "away" will never be replaced with the word "idle" since their status is Away, not Idle.
Hence, the 'when appropiate' means that not all the words "away" you'll see should actually be "idle", some must stay "away".
quote:no it wouldn't.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
Also if it was like you told, Plus! option would say 'Override Away status of my contacts as Idle'.
'Override Away status of my contacts as Idle' is totally something different. This means all away statusses will be overriden with the word "idle". This is completely wrong because of the reasons given above.
RE: Translation of "Idle instead of Away" option of MsgPlus! by ahmetgns on 05-15-2007 at 10:05 PM
Note: I have hesitated to write this reply here. Because if CookieRevised couldn't understand very well from my previous posts what I'm talking about, how will he understand now? Yet, I have written my reply. But I still wonder why he writes such replies to my posts.
quote:Sorry very much...really. Since you are so annoyed, I promise, you won't see offtopic things in my posts any longer. Tolerate one more time for this thread.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:Then why do you post about it in this thread. Stop doing that!
Originally posted by ahmetgns
And another suggestion which is again unrelated to the topic
You suggestion here is about translating, this should go in the Translation forums...
quote:I think, it does mean instead of the status Away. I can't understand again how you could understand like that? (How many WLM user knows there are two different Away statuses?)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:'instead of away' means showing something instead of the word "away", it doesn't mean instead of the status Away.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But it says 'Instead of Away'
quote:These are known by me and I think, most of the users. So don't get angry, but you again gave unnecessary information. Please assume that everyone on this forum knows options very well. If they say something wrong, then give those informations only to them.
When a user has the status Away, the word "away" will never be replaced with the word "idle" since their status is Away, not Idle.
Hence, the 'when appropiate' means that not all the words "away" you'll see should actually be "idle", some must stay "away".
Now consider someone who is using Messenger Plus! Live first time and doesn't know there are two Away statuses of WLM. When he sees that option, what would he think? 'When appropriate', hmmmmmm, what is this appropriate condition for this option? So this is not like the option "Auto-accept Requests" for instance. Because that option is obvious. Because all users are familiar with the requests and Accept and Decline options. So when users see Auto-accept option of MsgPlus!, they can easily understand what it is talking about and marks it or not. But what is this option and what does it bring us? I think, many people enable it without knowing what that appropriate case is for that feature to work. So my suggestion is not that bad at all. Because a clever user like me and you
can easily understand what that option will do if it is checked, if it says "Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when they're inactive". Because as I said before, a clever user can understand it is talking about the Away status which is activated with the WLM's option marked. Because if it was not the case, the option should be, "Show contacts as Idle instead of Away". Note that, I have removed 'when they're inactive' part. Or it may say "Show contacts as Idle when they're inactive". So these are very different things.quote:I know they are completely different but I wrote it intentionally. But MenthiX or Apatik said that when contact is Away, it also meant that he is inactive. So MenthiX or Apatik is not sure, if such a change will be very useful or not. But on my reply to MenthiX or Apatik, I wrote those sentences above .
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:no it wouldn't.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
Also if it was like you told, Plus! option would say 'Override Away status of my contacts as Idle'.
'Override Away status of my contacts as Idle' is totally something different. This means all away statusses will be overriden with the word "idle". This is completely wrong because of the reasons given above.
My suggestion is clear:
Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when they're inactive
A clever user can easily get the point here. If it is not only saying, Show contacts as Idle when they're inactive but adds the part instead of Away there, people will think, "So if I uncheck this option, it will show inactive users as Away as ever, but if I check this option, it will show them as Idle." But here something may confuse minds. That is, you may say "But WLM doesn't show inactive users as Away, it shows only when contacts want to appear as Away when they're idling." Yes, but a clever user can get this point from the option. I can't write any longer about this subject. I can't express myself very well. I was going to try to clarify it much more but I think I have reached my limits. Cookie, I hope you can understand now with this much clearness.
RE: RE: Translation of "Idle instead of Away" option of MsgPlus! by CookieRevised on 05-16-2007 at 09:24 AM
quote:Because you seem to misunderstand some things.. or at least not explaining things well...
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But I still wonder why he writes such replies to my posts.
quote:Then you thought wrong... Look, you can NOT change a status, but you can change what is shown to the user; how the status is called and/or shown to the user. That is the whole point of that feature. Again, you can NOT change a status. The status Away stays the status Away, the status Idle stays the status Idle.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
quote:I think, it does mean instead of the status Away. I can't understand again how you could understand like that? (How many WLM user knows there are two different Away statuses?)
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:'instead of away' means showing something instead of the word "away", it doesn't mean instead of the status Away.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But it says 'Instead of Away'
What that option does and means is changing the WORD "away" to the correct wording: "idle". This does NOT change the status at all!
The "appropiate" means that not all the words "away" are going to be changed since not all words "away" actually represent the status Idle, some still represent the status Away.
quote:Not everybody on this forum knows options very well. That's the whole reason why they come to this forum in the first place. And second, on a forum people explain stuff to eachother, even long time residents explain stuff to other long time residents.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
These are known by me and I think, most of the users. So don't get angry, but you again gave unnecessary information. Please assume that everyone on this forum knows options very well. If they say something wrong, then give those informations only to them.
There is nothing unnecessary in any of my posts here. In fact if I reread the thread and see your other replies in the beginning of this thread I see we didn't even wrote enough to explain what the Idle status is or how it worked. Because you clearly didn't know as everybody can see in this thread. So don't be so "I know everything about the features and I don't need any clarification. My suggestions are always excellent and perfect." You asked what that "when appropiate" means and/or why it is there, I explained it.
quote:Of which some things are not correct, which I replied upon.
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But on my reply to MenthiX or Apatik, I wrote those sentences above.
quote:Yes, your suggestion is clear. I did not replied on that!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ahmetgns
My suggestion is clear:
Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when they're inactive
And if talking about unnecessary stuff: all you needed to write (in the proper subforum and not in a post here) was this single thing I quoted above, not all the other stuff/explainations around it as it did not clearified anything and some things were even wrong and it is on those wrong things I replied upon. If you did that you would have been surprised with my reply to it as the Dutch translation has almost exactly the same translation!
RE: RE: RE: Translation of "Idle instead of Away" option of MsgPlus! by ahmetgns on 05-16-2007 at 10:14 AM
quote:I will open a poll now, and ask members that who is generally right in our discussions. I am really curious about what members think for us. You're free to vote, I'll vote fo myself
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:Because you seem to misunderstand some things.. or at least not explaining things well...
Originally posted by ahmetgns
I still wonder why he writes such replies to my posts.
quote:What does it mean to change contacts' status? This kind of thing can't be possible, as all of us know. For example, if Plus! was able to change contacts' statuses, think those contacts. When they come back to their computers, they would see something like "Your status is changed by CookieRevised". As you see, this would be very strange and stupid. So why do you think I am talking about changing the contacts' statuses. I am again repeating myself. It is not that much important whether it changes contacts' statuses or only changes the statuses shown.
Then you thought wrong... Look, you can NOT change a status, but you can change what is shown to the user; how the status is called and/or shown to the user. Again, you can NOT change a status. The status Away stays the status Away, the status Idle stays the status Idle.
quote:So why are you interested in such WORD SCHEMES? Also why do people and me want to change our contacts' statuses? We have definitely more important and enjoyable things to do in WLM.
What that option does and means is changing the WORD "away" to the correct wording "idle". This does NOT change the status at all!
quote:Right, appropriate means that but think how people, who see that option of Plus! first time on their lives, can understand its accurate meaning. So my translation can give an accurate meaning to clever users. But current translation can't give that much accurate meaning to neither clever nor stupid users, additionally, people can never be able to understand when that feature will work by reading the option solely.
The "appropiate" means that not all WORDS "Away" are going to be changed since not all words "Away" actually represent the status Idle.
quote:Please assume they know everything very well when you write your first posts on threads; if they state that they don't know something about features/options, then explain those features/options to them.
Not everybody on this forum knows options very well.
quote:Thanks for your effort to help, but I neither asked its meaning nor the reason why it is there.
You asked what that "when appropiate" means and/or why it is there, I explained it.
Also I'm sorry if readers of my post really think that I am asking its meaning.quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
My suggestion is clear: Lets change the text of option as
Show contacts as Idle instead of Away when they're inactive
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by vaccination on 05-16-2007 at 10:17 AM
*sigh*
Cookie's right, stop arguing.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by fvckth3w0rld on 02-02-2009 at 07:37 PM
Wow. Sorry for bringing this thread back up, but I just had to make myself an account just to say...
ahmetgns, you speak so much bullshit its unbelievable. I couldn't even understand majority of the stuff you were saying. It was completely pointless, just like this reply.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by ahmetgns on 02-02-2009 at 11:37 PM
Yes, you are right. Maybe I shouldn't even have created this thread in the first place.
RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by Claiken on 08-12-2009 at 03:08 AM
Im sorry if this thread is older.
I have a question. If the other user has not enabled "show me as away after X minutes of inactivity"... will messenger plus still be able to read the user as idle? if someone puts 'away' manually, does it stay 'away' regardless of being idle or not?
im just wondering if im being ignored by someone or if theyre actually gone but havent enabled that setting on their end.
RE: RE: How many Idle statuses does WL Messenger have? by CookieRevised on 08-12-2009 at 06:28 AM
quote:No, because "showing as away after x minutes" is that 'idle' status. So if the Messenger of your contact does not set that status then your Messenger (and thus Messenger Plus!) will not be able to see that status.
Originally posted by Claiken
If the other user has not enabled "show me as away after X minutes of inactivity"... will messenger plus still be able to read the user as idle?
Note: there are also other ways to set your status to 'idle', for example by a script. But in either case, the other Messenger will be able to see this 'idle' status if Messenger Plus! is installed and if that option in Messenger Plus! is set.
quote:A status stays put as long as there isn't another status being set. It doesn't matter if the new status is set manually or automatically.
Originally posted by Claiken
if someone puts 'away' manually, does it stay 'away' regardless of being idle or not?
So, it stays 'away' as long as:
- the user doesn't manually change his/her status to something else,
- Messenger doesn't put him/her in 'idle' in case that option is enabled,
- Messenger doesn't put him/her in 'busy' when he/she is running a full screen application in case that option is enabled,
- the status isn't changed by some other 3rd party addon or script.
quote:Both cases are possible. The only thing you can do is to ask that person...
Originally posted by Claiken
im just wondering if im being ignored by someone or if theyre actually gone but havent enabled that setting on their end.