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is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:16 AM

any idea?

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by NanaFreak on 05-27-2007 at 03:18 AM

wtf? WLM 8.5???

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by NanaFreak
wtf? WLM 8.5???

yes it is

the latest version (Plus! 4.21) doesn't work with WLM 8.5 =/

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-27-2007 at 03:21 AM

SonicSam v2 says:
Is there such thing as a WLM 8.5 yet ?
JK says:
not yet
JK says:

Listen to the almighty.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 03:23 AM

There is actually

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-27-2007 at 03:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
There is actually

No, TReKiE is a MVP, and he knows his shizz

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
There is actually

just for Plus! testers?

[Image: messenger-8.5.jpg]

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-27-2007 at 03:27 AM

yay for fake :cheesy:

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by NiteMare on 05-27-2007 at 03:27 AM

Beta Version, apperently available to only Microsoft employee's

Click the picture for some more info(mind you it is google translated from spanish, and there is NO DOWNLOAD link on this source)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 03:30 AM

i *sorta* trust messengeradictos.com though

Of course they wouldnt leak it 8-) .

i dunno

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:30 AM

i have the link (spanish)

Link removed by moderator - apparently a private beta not meant to be redistributed (post was reported)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-27-2007 at 03:30 AM

skin.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chris4 on 05-27-2007 at 03:32 AM

~~I hope it's fake, it's horrible.~~
Hmm, k.

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris4
~~I hope it's fake, it's horrible.~~
Hmm, k.

i hope that too.

but the link was provided by Ignacio Osendi (a MVP MSN Messenger) from messengeradictos.com

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 03:40 AM

post it (or pm it to me (A) )

quote:
Originally posted by SonicSam
skin.

Why do people still think everything is fake? The exact same thing happened when someone came here with pics of MSN 8, which happened to be real. The same thing happened with MSN 7. So this doesnt surprise me anymore tbh.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-27-2007 at 03:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono

quote:
Originally posted by SonicSam
skin.
Why do people still think everything is fake? The exact same thing happened when someone came here with pics of MSN 8, which happened to be real. The same thing happened with MSN 7. So this doesnt surprise me anymore tbh.

Well, I'm sure an Microsoft MVP would know 8-)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 03:43 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SonicSam
Well, I'm sure an Microsoft MVP would know .

quote:
Originally posted by felipEx
but the link was provided by Ignacio Osendi (a MVP MSN Messenger) from messengeradictos.com

They dont really have to know everything tbh (again, remember msn 7/8?

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by NiteMare on 05-27-2007 at 03:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
Why do people still think everything is fake?

its a skin, i doubt that any offical microsoft beta, internal managed or public, would have an "http://www.messengeradictos.com" installer

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:45 AM

its installs the Installer

I think that's rivalry between websites dedicated to msn (spanish websites like PortalMes)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 03:47 AM

yep, it seems like a (lame) way of advertising

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chris4 on 05-27-2007 at 03:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by felipEx
its installs the Installer (Smilie)

Yeah whats that all about.
You run the installer, then after it opens up the installer, again. O.o
And thats after I manually created the spanish folders.

Doesn't work =]

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-27-2007 at 03:53 AM

it works fine, but Plus! 4.21 doesn't work here....

for that reason i re.installed WLM 8.1 to play in the contest

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Lux on 05-27-2007 at 09:35 AM

Shouldn't first there be a WLMSN 8.2 ver. or something.......I don't thimk that MS team is so good to jump [ i think taht they suck! ] so ahead in making new ver. of wlmsn......so i think it s an ad... but again who knows?!

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by absorbation on 05-27-2007 at 10:48 AM

It's fake, it's totally branded by the website

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 10:48 AM

To those who tried this "WLM 8.5" download... Besides the skin, what are the new features, if any? If this is really 8.5 from MS, surely there must be noticeable new features in it.

Obviously the installer is already not real, and what i've seen from the screenies looks like just another home-made skin.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 11:17 AM

From what I can tell, this is a "real" version of Windows Live Messenger. It comes under the (Spanish) build of 8.5.1235.0517.

The installing takes a while, riddled with problems, but that's only because this "messenger adictos" website decided to compress the actual installer into their own executable, probably for advertising purposes.

Can't see any new features yet, but it's early stages it seems... the whole thing has been redesigned though, including chat windows and "...just signed in" pop-ups.

Not sure if I'm going to keep it yet though... Plus! obviously doesn't work with it, and the whole thing's in Spanish.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by TheSteve on 05-27-2007 at 12:12 PM

It's real. The Messenger Addictos part of the installer just copies Microsoft's Installer to %programfiles%\Messenger Adictos & GiraldoCrespo and then executes it.

The real installer is digitally signed by Microsoft Corporation as are all of the installed files.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 01:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TheSteve
It's real.

You are correct. I found out myself while you posted

. There don't seem to be any real new features, but the installer is heavily changed (the REAL installer ES_Install_WLMessenger_8_5.exe signed by Microsoft), and obviously the style/layout has been changed.

Microsoft seems to be marketing the Windows Live brand more...
- In the startmenu you will find "Windows Live™ Messenger" in a "Windows Live" folder
- The ES_Install_WLMessenger_8_5.exe installer says "Windos Live" instead of "Windows Live Messenger"
- Default installpath is C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger instead of C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger
- Rightclick on ES_Install_WLMessenger_8_5.exe > Properties > Version > Internal Name (and Original File name) mention "WLSuite.exe" which suggests it comes from a Windows Live Suite that has multiple products in one installer, comparable to Google Pack?

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 01:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX

Messenger Plus! does work on this version, just copy msimg32.dll from C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger to C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger and restart Messenger. msimg32.dll is a file added by Messenger Plus! which makes sure Plus! loads when Messenger is started.

Lifesaver!

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Stianu89 on 05-27-2007 at 01:35 PM

Here is how you get msgplus On Windows Live Messenger 8.5

Go to your old messenger folder
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger

Find the dll "msimg32.dll"

Copy paste it into the new folder
C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger

And there you have it working!

Proof
[Image: proof.png]

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 01:44 PM

Oooh hang on...

Is it just me or does chat logging not work now? Or am I missing something really obvious?

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Lux on 05-27-2007 at 02:18 PM

new wlmsn [ will ] suck ! 8o|

by what have i seen for now....holpe M$'ll make it beter

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Screeny² on 05-27-2007 at 02:24 PM

Yeah.. the new GUI is unbelievable ugly. Oh well.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 02:30 PM

I quite like it... although the top part of the contact list looks like it's just been stuck on top of the old version rather sloppily.

(edit: it probably has)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Salem on 05-27-2007 at 03:07 PM

Hm....I dunno what to make of this supposed Beta leak.

quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
It's fake, it's totally branded by the website

quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
To those who tried this "WLM 8.5" download... Besides the skin, what are the new features, if any? If this is really 8.5 from MS, surely there must be noticeable new features in it.

Obviously the installer is already not real, and what i've seen from the screenies looks like just another home-made skin.

Thats what i thought at first too guys. But then i saw that the MessengerAdictos.com branded "installer" just copies the WLM 8.5 into a special Messenger Adictos folder in %programfiles%

What makes me suspicious is that at the end of WLM 8.1 Beta it was confirmed to me by someone "on the inside" that there would not be another 8.x updates, but that it'd be 9.0. But yet the installer appears to be genuinly signed by MS.

And yes, as Chrono said, the same thing happened when screenshots of "Messenger 8" appeared (remember the "orange" GUI?), before it was officially renamed to Windows Live Messenger. Many people (myself included) put it down as being fake due to the orange GUI, and also the lack of "MSN" being in the applications name. And look what happened, that turned out to be genuine.

Could this indeed be a legit version and that MS have decided the next update will be a 8.5, or is it just known as 8.5 now, and will be renamed/renumbered to 9.0 later?

~Salem (@)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 03:12 PM

What interests me is how the build number (8.5.1235) seems to be very high for this early(?) stage of the beta. Not really sure what to make of that.

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Salem on 05-27-2007 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Xy7
What interests me is how the build number (8.5.1235) seems to be very high for this early(?) stage of the beta. Not really sure what to make of that.

I'm not fully sure if Microsoft restarts the build number for minor releases (ie 8.0 -> 8.1 - 8.2 etc.) or just for major ones (7 -> 8 -> 9). I cant remember, but that could be one reason

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 04:55 PM

Apparently you can tweak this build into English by doing the following (from mess.be):

"copy the old language file ("msglang.dll") of Windows Live Messenger 8.1.0178 over the new one ("msglang.8.5.1235.0517.dll")"

I don't have the old language file any more though... anyone?

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 05:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Xy7
I don't have the old language file any more

~~http://random.menthix.net/msgslang.8.5.1235.0517.dll (already renamed), place it in C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger.~~ Or you could just install the last public version and get it from there.

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Xy7 on 05-27-2007 at 05:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MenthiX
OR you could just install the last public version and get it from there.

would that involve uninstalling 8.5 first?
thanks for the link anyway.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by warmth on 05-27-2007 at 06:26 PM

I was reading the news today... and I am impacted that another leaked messenger was found... MVPs involved in this must be very very mad about it... I hope that find who did it... is very unsecure to have this things ridding all over the internet with the risk of faking it... and developing things bad for its official release... I have the file but I will not installed until I talk to some MVP friends...

I will try the new 8.5 when I get the link in my connect available list... not now...

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Xy7
would that involve uninstalling 8.5 first

Dunno, i backed up 8.1 before installing 8.5

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Patchou on 05-27-2007 at 06:45 PM

Note: I don't intend to support an internal private beta version of WLM and because it doesnt add anythign new, I dont see any reason why any of you would want to install it .

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 06:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
dont see any reason why any of you would want to install it

Pfft, the contest works on it... that's all people use for the next 3 coming weeks anyway

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by SebK on 05-27-2007 at 07:20 PM

I copied msimg32.dll to the new folder, and MP!L works again.
But I can't see the colored nicknames in a conversation...
Is it the same w/ you guys?
And sharing folders are weird... Are they with you too?

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 07:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SebK
Is it the same w/ you guys?

Yes like people said before, far from every feature will work properly. There is no point in reporting all the features that don't work. If you want a working Plus!, get 8.1... if you want 8.5, fine, but you're on your own.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by SebK on 05-27-2007 at 07:30 PM

Found a way to make Stuff Plug work:
Copy msacm32.dll from your C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger folder to the new Live Messenger folder (C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger) =D

[Some Bugs Though...]

Found another bug! ^^
During a conversation, typing '(' won't make the smiley windows come anymore!

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Chrono on 05-27-2007 at 09:51 PM

* Chrono points and laughs at people who didnt believe it wasreal :refuck:

:X

* Chrono installed the previous version back already

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Menthix on 05-27-2007 at 10:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
Chrono points and laughs at people who didnt believe it wasreal

If only those dodgy Spanish sites wouldn't wrap their spammy custom installer around it we would have believed it a lot sooner :refuck:

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by -DiStUrBeDzOmBiE- on 05-28-2007 at 12:16 AM

Hmm.. Keep inmind that 8.0 did have a couple of skin changes during the beta.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by vaccination on 05-28-2007 at 12:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by -DiStUrBeDzOmBiE-
Hmm.. Keep inmind that 8.0 did have a couple of skin changes during the beta.

I was also going to mention this. The skin changed a lot, so I imagine the current look of this 8.5 is no where near what the final will look like

Oh, and I didn't install it; too much bother for something that's not much different to 8.1

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by warmth on 05-28-2007 at 01:50 AM

jajajaja that's not even real... so don't worry... trust me that you won't be able to know how it will look like...

That "leaked wlm" looks like a normal wlm 8.1 skinned be the vista skin with a few of modifications...

[Image: vista_live85.jpg]

I reshacked it and if you compare it... you will noticed things very fun... Look this and you will be laughing by this joke!!! :o)

[Image: about.png]

The only thing that can get you think that this is real is the appearing of a new emoticon on it... the bunny ('.') ---> [Image: bunny.png]

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by felipEx on 05-28-2007 at 01:59 AM

i have the installer without "MessengerAdictos" ads, anyway
(ES_Install_WLMessenger_8_5.exe)

Edit:
i can see the bunny ('.')

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by deAd on 05-28-2007 at 02:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by warmth
The only thing that can get you think that this is real is the appearing of a new emoticon on it...

The files are all signed by Microsoft (not tampered with) and I believe it contains more OneCare integration.

RE: RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by warmth on 05-28-2007 at 02:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by deAd
The files are all signed by Microsoft (not tampered with) and I believe it contains more OneCare integration.

You right... my mistake... *-)

Note: btw deAd did you received my PM???

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by ahmetgns on 05-29-2007 at 07:39 AM

I heard that WLM 8.5 is supporting Multiple Accounts already. Is this true? If so Plus! will remove back its new feature just after 1 year when she first brought it with Live version, won't she?

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Salem on 05-29-2007 at 07:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
I heard that WLM 8.5 is supporting Multiple Accounts already. Is this true?

As far as i can see it does no support polygamy (ability to sign in to multiple Windows Live ID accounts).

Unless you're talking about the ability to have multiple instances of Messenger signed-in to the same ID (as posted as a future feature by Mess.be), if so, then i don't know. Haven't thought of trying it. But i wouldn't be suprised if it's not, as this is still a VERY EARLY build.

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
If so Plus! will remove back its new feature just after 1 year when she first brought it with Live version, won't she?

YEs, if this was to be officially supported within Messenger itself, Patchou will remove it from Messenger PLus! Live as well (unless of course he can improve the polygamy functionality to that offered by Microsoft, although i don't think this will be very likely.)

~Salem (@)

RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Matti on 05-29-2007 at 04:28 PM

Okay, let's clear this up.

This Windows Live Messenger 8.5 is indeed real, as confirmed by a number of sources and the digital signature on the files. Apart from the (awesome) design, no big visual chances have been made.

Messenger Plus! Live and StuffPlug 3 can be loaded in WLM 8.5, and some features will work (contest, statusses, formatting in the contact list) and some won't (logging, formatting in chats, all chat commands). Please, don't report so-called "bugs", because they are no bugs but features incompatible with a not supported version of Messenger. You should be happy Patchou programmed his add-on in such way that some can still work on this new version!

I'm using it because I like how the design fits with Vista, but I'll probably downgrade when Vista Live Messenger hits release. I just hope they won't change it too dramatically during the testing phase... I'm loving it!

quote:
Originally posted by warmth
jajajaja that's not even real... so don't worry... trust me that you won't be able to know how it will look like...

That "leaked wlm" looks like a normal wlm 8.1 skinned be the vista skin with a few of modifications...

[ Image ]

This has been discussed on the mess.be forums too. And I came to the same conclusion: nuno peralta stole Microsoft's image resources, makes a skin of it. Microsoft uses their resources and because nuno stole them, the end product looks a bit similar. Nuno gets excited and claims they stole his idea. An example, he highlights the resemblance between the min/max/close buttons, while those are just a complete rip from the Vista buttons. But still, nuno thinks they stole his work. Now honestly, who stole from who? I think it's clear. EDIT: He also confirmed that this was meant to be a joke, and it shouldn't be taken serious. Just. Drop. It.

quote:
Originally posted by warmth
I reshacked it and if you compare it... you will noticed things very fun... Look this and you will be laughing by this joke!!!

Well, it's not that hard to get such things when you're using an English msgslang.dll for 8.1 on WLM 8.5. If you "reshacked" a bit better, you'd find out that those message strings are stored in the msgslang.dll, which you copied from 8.1 to 8.5. No further comments needed here.

quote:
Originally posted by warmth
The only thing that can get you think that this is real is the appearing of a new emoticon on it... the bunny --->

And that is real. No-one yet succeeded in (or took the time to try?) adding his own default Messenger emoticons by using resource hacking, and thus in my opinion it can only be done by Microsoft itself.

RE: RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by CookieRevised on 05-29-2007 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Salem

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
If so Plus! will remove back its new feature just after 1 year when she first brought it with Live version, won't she?

YEs, if this was to be officially supported within Messenger itself, Patchou will remove it from Messenger PLus! Live as well (unless of course he can improve the polygamy functionality to that offered by Microsoft, although i don't think this will be very likely.)

No!!!

Even if 8.5 supports polygamy (which it does not), the polygamy feature in Plus! will not be removed since Plus! would still be compatible with previous Windows Live Messenger versions, and they do not support polygamy.

RE: RE: RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by warmth on 05-29-2007 at 05:04 PM

Mate did you read two post down??? I edited it... and say that I was wrong... and all became clear to me when I saw the file signatures by microsoft... I did my "reshack" well... but I wanted to make joke of it... :o)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by ahmetgns on 05-30-2007 at 06:11 AM

I have learned that the forum site which said WLM 8.5 supported Polygamy, modified setup of 8.5 and added the suitable patch for Polygamy to the installer of program which they put their forum site. They wrote this fact just now. I didn't install it but I relied on them when they said 8.5 supported Polygamy. I'm sorry for this.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by warmth on 05-30-2007 at 11:13 AM

don't worry... I just expected something like that... Is toooooooooo difficult that microsoft do that by their own...

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Keikonium on 05-31-2007 at 12:09 AM

Since the public beta of 8.5 has been released, do we have an ETA on when Plus! will be compatible? If it even becomes compatible with this VERY early build?

http://get.live.com/betas/messenger_betas

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by prashker on 05-31-2007 at 12:10 AM

very soon.

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by CookieRevised on 05-31-2007 at 12:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Keikonium
Since the public beta of 8.5 has been released, do we have an ETA on when Plus! will be compatible? If it even becomes compatible with this VERY early build?

see "Patchou's reply to Official Windows Live Messenger 8.5 Beta - Released!":

quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
(...)
I'm already working on a quick fix for this new beta, you'll get it faster than you think.
(...)

RE: is there Plus! for WLM 8.5? by Keikonium on 05-31-2007 at 02:24 AM

I didn't even see that thread @_@! Thanks for your replies guys! (and thanks cookie for the link )