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Two suggestions by themrb on 06-23-2007 at 11:42 PM

My computer has issues.  Due to something wrong with the hardware, when it starts up, it often suddenly performs a 'forced reboot'.  This is annoying in itself, but what makes it more annoying is each time it does it, I get a messenger plus window, "An error was detected in your last attempt to run messenger.  As a precaution all scripts have been disabled," meaning I have to go and re-enable all of my 10 scripts, one by one.  I'm suggesting a Yes/No choice, having Yes as recommended.  I'd imagine this to be fairly simple to do.

My second suggestion was to be able to add a note into the chat logs, without sending it to the person who you're talking to.  I could have used this a number of times for things that I could have recorded but would be stupid to send.  One such was offline messages time stamps.  They don't always appear on the chat logs, and when they do, they are always at the timestamp you got them, NOT the timestamp they were sent on, which is shown on messenger.  If that could be fixed too that would be great.

RE: Two suggestions by lizard.boy on 06-24-2007 at 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by themrb
I get a messenger plus window, "An error was detected in your last attempt to run messenger.  As a precaution all scripts have been disabled," meaning I have to go and re-enable all of my 10 scripts, one by one. I'm suggesting a Yes/No choice, having Yes as recommended.

+1

Often my Messenger is interrupted due to random Windows hiccups, and I hate re-enabling all my scripts as well.

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Originally posted by themrb
My second suggestion was to be able to add a note into the chat logs, without sending it to the person who you're talking to.

+1 as well. Maybe a sort of "comments" system could be implemented, sort of like what word has for commenting?
RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by themrb
My computer has issues.  Due to something wrong with the hardware, when it starts up, it often suddenly performs a 'forced reboot'.  This is annoying in itself, but what makes it more annoying is each time it does it, I get a messenger plus window, "An error was detected in your last attempt to run messenger.  As a precaution all scripts have been disabled," meaning I have to go and re-enable all of my 10 scripts, one by one.  I'm suggesting a Yes/No choice, having Yes as recommended.  I'd imagine this to be fairly simple to do.

My trail of though would be that because of those hardware restarts, Messenger Plus! automatically disables script as a precaution, just in case something in one of the scripts is contributing to the problem. Although all scripts are tested, it doesn't mean that it can't happen as each computer is setup differently.

I suppose that's more for Patchou to explain but that would seem to be a logical reason to implement something like that.
RE: Two suggestions by lizard.boy on 06-24-2007 at 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by MattyRid
My trail of though would be that because of those hardware restarts, Messenger Plus! automatically disables script as a precaution, just in case something in one of the scripts is contributing to the problem. Although all scripts are tested, it doesn't mean that it can't happen as each computer is setup differently.

My guess is thats exactly why it does it. But sometimes you can rule out script behavior.
RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 12:11 AM

Yeah.  I understand how logical it is, and it would be very useful if a script was playing up and locked you out of messenger.  However, that is not the case for me and it's just a nuisance, so I'm suggestion a choice whether or not you want to disable the scripts, i.e, if you know the scripts are not causing problems.  Because my scripts are definitely not causing a forced reboot on me.

RE: RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by lizard.boy
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Originally posted by MattyRid
My trail of though would be that because of those hardware restarts, Messenger Plus! automatically disables script as a precaution, just in case something in one of the scripts is contributing to the problem. Although all scripts are tested, it doesn't mean that it can't happen as each computer is setup differently.

My guess is thats exactly why it does it. But sometimes you can rule out script behavior.

Key word is sometimes. I do agree it can be annoying, but I suppose it's the risk you take with scripts and therefore Patchou does it for your safety. I'm still 50/50 on it and really don't mind which way it goes :P
RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 12:20 AM

Well, if you're not sure if it's your scripts or not, you can disable them as recommended.

However, if you're sure it's NOT your scripts, you can choose NOT to disable them.  That's factoring in for the sometimes.

RE: Two suggestions by lizard.boy on 06-24-2007 at 12:26 AM

Actually I'm starting to think a good idea would be to make it an advanced option, so you have to specify that you need to be asked.

RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 12:27 AM

Mmm, that would work too, but I think I read somewhere about Patchou trying to keep the amount of options down.

RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by themrb
Well, if you're not sure if it's your scripts or not, you can disable them as recommended.

However, if you're sure it's NOT your scripts, you can choose not to enable them.  That's factoring in for the sometimes.

and then what re-enable them all and then go through the same problem? better off enabling them one by one to see which one is causing it and then do it using different combinations of 2 or 3 scripts to narrow down the possibilities, might take time but it might benefit others around the world.
RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 12:32 AM

No, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

You're right, if you're having problems then you should do as you suggested, enable them one by one and find out the problem.  If you have an error starting messenger and you're not sure of the cause, yes, that is the smart way to go.

However, my problem is completely different.  My system is NOT crashing because of messenger, let alone the scripts.  I know this because when I had a login screen, it would often do it before I logged in, I probably shouldn't have but I raced to log in before it cut out on me.  Doing different combinations of my scripts would be a complete waste of time.

RE: RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by themrb
However, my problem is completely different.  My system is NOT crashing because of messenger, let alone the scripts.  I know this because when I had a login screen, it would often do it before I logged in, I probably shouldn't have but I raced to log in before it cut out on me.  Doing different combinations of my scripts would be a complete waste of time.

Although it may be different, you can't rule anything out until you have gone through one step at a time...if it still happens when scripts are disabled as well, then yes you do have merit, but until you can be 100% sure, then don't rule anything out.

Using different script combination won't be if scripts are causing the problem as then the developer can then improve the script. It's like

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Just a query about the hardware problem, have you tested you hard drive for bad sectors? just a bit of a side question on it that's all as I think you hard drive could be part of the problem :P
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RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 01:10 AM

I haven't been bothered to re-enable my scripts for the past week, and it's still been happening.  Yesterday it did it 6 times in a row.

No, I haven't tested my hard drive for bad sectors, how do you do that?

RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by themrb
I haven't been bothered to re-enable my scripts for the past week, and it's still been happening.  Yesterday it did it 6 times in a row.

No, I haven't tested my hard drive for bad sectors, how do you do that?

From memory Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (link? can't seem to remember which one it is :P) has a number of them under it's Hard Drive Tool Section. Whichever tool you use it should tell you what is going on.
RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 08:13 AM

Ok, I'll look into that thanks... I don't think it would be my Hard drive though, possibly partly, because one time I dusted the insides of my computer, and that really helped.

RE: Two suggestions by Eljay on 06-24-2007 at 08:46 AM

See Messenger Plus! Live - Registry Settings, specifically the EnableScriptProtection setting.

RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 09:11 AM

Oh, cool, thanks.

Little trouble though... where is HKCU\Software\Patchou\Messenger Plus! Live\?  I understand filepaths but I have no idea where HKCU is...  I understand it's something to do with the registry XD?

RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 09:12 AM

HKEY_CURRENT_USER is what it means and yes registry related.

RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 09:14 AM

Yeah, I know, I looked it up, but WHERE it is is my problem, which would be WHERE the registry is.

RE: Two suggestions by MattyRid on 06-24-2007 at 09:14 AM

start -> run -> type in "regedit"

RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 09:24 AM

Ok, thanks...

I'm in there, I just don't see any EnableScriptProtection.  I even searched the registry.

I have EnablePreviousRecall, EnableFormatShortcuts and even EnablePreferencesLock, but no script protection.  I looked down the list and none of the names mentions scripts.

RE: Two suggestions by ahmetgns on 06-24-2007 at 09:28 AM

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None of the values mentioned below are present by default, they have to be created manually.
RE: Two suggestions by themrb on 06-24-2007 at 10:09 AM

Whoops, missed that bit.  I created a dword thing, thanks for your help :).