I got an hp laptop from the school, but everytime I download a program, after restart the program disappears. Im wondering how can I fix this? How can i make an admin account? Please help?

look for a folder named "Faronics" in "C:\Program Files"

let me know if it exists

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It means you have a program called 'Deep Freeze' on your computer. Unless you can boot with a floppy or a CD and format, you're pretty much screwed over for trying to do stuff.

What it does: restores the hard drive as if it was ghosted each time the computer restarts. There is a shortcut to disable it, if you know the password for it. The global shortcut is Ctrl-Shift-F6 i think.

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Originally posted by MeEtc
It means you have a program called 'Deep Freeze' on your computer. Unless you can boot with a floppy or a CD and format, you're pretty much screwed over for trying to do stuff.

What it does: restores the hard drive as if it was ghosted each time the computer restarts. There is a shortcut to disable it, if you know the password for it. The global shortcut is Ctrl-Shift-F6 i think.

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Originally posted by Steven
So the only work around this is to format? I cant create through dos?

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if the bios is not password protected, change the boot order and install/dualboot something else (if you keep the laptop for atleast a month)

hmmmm...... tried safemode or something?

safe mode is still unusable, voldies.

I tried this,

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/498671/creating_an_...ough_cmd/?logout=1

Last step faild but i was able to create a normal account just like the one Im using but i cant change it to admin.

even if you do make an admin account, it will 'disappear' when you restart the computer

trust me, the only way around this is to format.

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Originally posted by MeEtc
even if you do make an admin account, it will 'disappear' when you restart the computer

trust me, the only way around this is to format.

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yes, if you can make it boot

Crtl-Alt-Shift-F6

Now guess the password (it's a school so it must be your school name or some crappy crap ).

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Crtl-Alt-Shift-F6

Now guess the password (it's a school so it must be your school name or some crappy crap ).

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If you upgraded to Vista without formatting, assuming you're using a Vista CD, yes, that should work. If you install Vista as an upgrade from within XP, well, i think you can guess the result by now...

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If you install Vista as an upgrade from within XP, well, i think you can guess the result by now...

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? bump i need to know as my dad is gonna go run out and get vista

no, it will not work. if you do ANYTHING to the computer while XP is loaded, it will be restored upon rebooting, guaranteed

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no, it will not work. if you do ANYTHING to the computer while XP is loaded, it will be restored upon rebooting, guaranteed

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exactly. unless you boot from CD or flopy, you can't do shit

if the bios is unlocked, yes.

otherwise you're screwed

Finally got there

Also, it may just be me but if you have to give it back they _might_ realise you've done something to it.

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Crtl-Alt-Shift-F6

Now guess the password (it's a school so it must be your school name or some crappy crap (Smilie)).

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Also, it may just be me but if you have to give it back they _might_ realise you've done something to it.

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From my experience, alot of schools like to use their initials as the password to things.  Like, if the school is Washington Junior High School, try WJHS.  Or, you could remove the drive from the laptop, throw it in an external case (if you don't have one, you can probably get one dirt cheap at your local computer store), format it on another computer, toss it back in, and reinstall.  If you intend on giving the laptop back, just go buy another 2.5" HD and use it.  Keep the original HD set aside, and put it back in when you return it.

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From my experience, alot of schools like to use their initials as the password to things.  Like, if the school is Washington Junior High School, try WJHS.  Or, you could remove the drive from the laptop, throw it in an external case (if you don't have one, you can probably get one dirt cheap at your local computer store), format it on another computer, toss it back in, and reinstall.  If you intend on giving the laptop back, just go buy another 2.5" HD and use it.  Keep the original HD set aside, and put it back in when you return it.

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This laptop is supposed to guide me through  highschool. Im in grade 9. So Ill probably have it for a while

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Originally posted by rav0
Format it and install a fresh OS to get rid of Deep Freeze and any other wierdness that it has preloaded, but before you do, get any software thay you need to have on the laptop to connect to the school network (Novell Client, Citrix Client etc) and possibly web proxy settings (any of our own browsers don't work at our school only because nobody knows the proxy server, the program is unrestricted but there is a firewall that blocks access).

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maybe a copy/paste would work, maybe you need to get the installer, maybe you can find a light version, maybe a third-party solution, maybe you don't actually need it at all...

i don't really know how your schools system is, you will need to ask the teachers (if they like you/are nice) or do some research (try using a live cd to see what happens if you don't have any special software (maybe it works anyway) and try playing around with login options on the laptop or fixed school computers to see how it works

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maybe a copy/paste would work, maybe you need to get the installer, maybe you can find a light version, maybe a third-party solution, maybe you don't actually need it at all...

i don't really know how your schools system is, you will need to ask the teachers (if they like you/are nice) or do some research (try using a live cd to see what happens if you don't have any special software (maybe it works anyway) and try playing around with login options on the laptop or fixed school computers to see how it works

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maybe a copy/paste would work, maybe you need to get the installer, maybe you can find a light version, maybe a third-party solution, maybe you don't actually need it at all...

i don't really know how your schools system is, you will need to ask the teachers (if they like you/are nice) or do some research (try using a live cd to see what happens if you don't have any special software (maybe it works anyway) and try playing around with login options on the laptop or fixed school computers to see how it works

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In school I connect through cable modem or dsl i think. So How do i check if i need the proxy settings

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maybe a copy/paste would work, maybe you need to get the installer, maybe you can find a light version, maybe a third-party solution, maybe you don't actually need it at all...

i don't really know how your schools system is, you will need to ask the teachers (if they like you/are nice) or do some research (try using a live cd to see what happens if you don't have any special software (maybe it works anyway) and try playing around with login options on the laptop or fixed school computers to see how it works

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In school I connect through cable modem or dsl i think. So How do i check if i need the proxy settings

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if you don't know stuff like this......really think you should be messing about with their computers/laptops ?

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http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Originally posted by Nitro
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Originally posted by Steven

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maybe a copy/paste would work, maybe you need to get the installer, maybe you can find a light version, maybe a third-party solution, maybe you don't actually need it at all...

i don't really know how your schools system is, you will need to ask the teachers (if they like you/are nice) or do some research (try using a live cd to see what happens if you don't have any special software (maybe it works anyway) and try playing around with login options on the laptop or fixed school computers to see how it works

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In school I connect through cable modem or dsl i think. So How do i check if i need the proxy settings

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if you don't know stuff like this......really think you should be messing about with their computers/laptops ?

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Well they go tme kinda woried that I wont be able to connect back to myschool after I format and I dont want to then have to ask some IT guy at school and he would see what Ive done so thats why im asking here....

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Originally posted by Nitro
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Thanks delete that though before this thread gets locked./

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What Nitro suggested.
Used it numerous times on internet cafes, works like a charm.

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What Nitro suggested.
Used it numerous times on internet cafes, works like a charm.

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Another option, if you don't want to get into dodgyness with your school: put a ubuntu live cd in. Even if the CD drive isn't set to a higher boot priority than the HDD, you can usually press F12 and get into the boot menu, then once you've got ubuntu loaded, maybe there is a program for Linux that lets you partition your HDD without reformatting it, you can create a new partition and install whatever on it. Then when it is time to give the laptop back, just get rid of that partition.

OR, never shut it down, just put it on hibernate instead of turning it off?

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Originally posted by Nitro
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Thanks delete that though before this thread gets locked./

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Originally posted by Nitro
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Thanks delete that though before this thread gets locked./

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That application does not interfer with this forums rules, as it does not allowe you to bypass a serial or trial protection, ie. it's not warez / crack. It's a patch. Just like you remove the ads on WLM, this one removes the protection on Deep Freeze.

Of course, I hope you don't do anything wrong with it. You should look over before jumping into conclusions.

And one last thing, you know there is google.com?

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I trust you guys more than google..

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Originally posted by Steven

   
RE: Got school laptop, but its restricted..

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            http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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        Thanks delete that though before this thread gets locked./


    That application does not interfer with this forums rules, as it does not allowe you to bypass a serial or trial protection, ie. it's not warez / crack. It's a patch. Just like you remove the ads on WLM, this one removes the protection on Deep Freeze.

    Of course, I hope you don't do anything wrong with it. You should look over before jumping into conclusions.

    And one last thing, you know there is google.com? (Smilie)



I trust you guys more than google..

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I trust you guys more than google..

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Steven the best bit of advice we can give you is, do not try hack your schools laptops. There put stuff like deep freeze to stop this. You clearly don’t know anything about it, or how your school network is set up, or what software they use. So just leave the laptop how is it, if they want you to change this on it, then they wouldn’t have programs like deep freeze on it.

If you f*ck the laptop up, do you really think you’re just gonna get a slap on the wrist ? unless you know what your doing (which you clearly don’t) then just use the laptop for what the school gave it you for.

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I trust you guys more than google..

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Steven the best bit of advice we can give you is, do not try hack your schools laptops. There put stuff like deep freeze to stop this. You clearly don’t know anything about it, or how your school network is set up, or what software they use. So just leave the laptop how is it, if they want you to change this on it, then they wouldn’t have programs like deep freeze on it.

If you f*ck the laptop up, do you really think you’re just gonna get a slap on the wrist ? unless you know what your doing (which you clearly don’t) then just use the laptop for what the school gave it you for.

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But all i really need to do is unfreeze.. They dont ever check my laptop they really dont care... and if its suppose to help me ive been waiting for 3 years for it i cant even install anything like lets say a school program I need, Then I have the right to unfreeze it

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But I do want to remove it and thats why I made this thread.

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Originally posted by Steven
But I do want to remove it and thats why I made this thread.

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by Steven
But I do want to remove it and thats why I made this thread.

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well try learning what you doing. try google


oh and have fun when your school catches you

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Originally posted by Nitro
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/fliamarconato/pages/edeepunfreezer.html

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Thanks delete that though before this thread gets locked./

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That application does not interfer with this forums rules, as it does not allowe you to bypass a serial or trial protection, ie. it's not warez / crack. It's a patch. Just like you remove the ads on WLM, this one removes the protection on Deep Freeze.

Of course, I hope you don't do anything wrong with it. You should look over before jumping into conclusions.

And one last thing, you know there is google.com?

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I trust you guys more than google..

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Lmao they will catch me if i tell them

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Lmao they will catch me if i tell them

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no they will more then likely catch you, because you have no idea what you are doing.
i'd love to be there if (well, when) they find out that you have hacked deep freeze, and broke their laptop (which a newb like yourself, will likely do very quickly)

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you are such an idiot, just bike to ValSpy's and let someone with atleast half a brain (<3 ValSpy) do it .

Like I said, I have used Deep Freeze Unfreezer many times and I've never had a problem, so IMO, it should be safe to use it.

DFU is very straight forward: Just launch it, click detect status, select boot thawed, click save status and reboot your computer. To enable deep freeze again just repeat the steps but this time choose boot frozen instead of boot thawed. It's that simple.
If you're not an administrator, then you will have to launch DFU via the task scheduler which allows you to run an application as an administrator. That requires the task scheduler service to be enabled.

However, if you do mess your school's laptop I won't be responsible!

Thanks Mike, and Sam if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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Originally posted by Steven
Thanks Mike, and Sam if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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well you're asking people to help you crack a school laptop, when you clearly have no idea what you're doing. i think my advice of not to mess about it with it, is the most useful piece of information on here. but if you wish to ignore me, then fine. but i'll be the on laughing when you get suspended and have to pay for any repairs

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if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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well you're asking people to help you crack a school laptop, when you clearly have no idea what you're doing. i think my advice of not to mess about it with it, is the most useful piece of information on here. but if you wish to ignore me, then fine. but i'll be the on laughing when you get suspended and have to pay for any repairs

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Thing is, if it breaks at school, they fix it. If it breaks at home. well you know the answer to that. I already dropped it by accedent when It was raining and I ran inside the school, and the lcd cracked and had lines coming down the screen, all was fixed..

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Originally posted by Steven
if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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well you're asking people to help you crack a school laptop, when you clearly have no idea what you're doing. i think my advice of not to mess about it with it, is the most useful piece of information on here. but if you wish to ignore me, then fine. but i'll be the on laughing when you get suspended and have to pay for any repairs

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Thing is, if it breaks at school, they fix it. If it breaks at home. well you know the answer to that. I already dropped it by accedent when It was raining and I ran inside the school, and the lcd cracked and had lines coming down the screen, all was fixed..

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Originally posted by toddy

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if you dont have anything nice or helpfull to say than dont post at all. :/

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well you're asking people to help you crack a school laptop, when you clearly have no idea what you're doing. i think my advice of not to mess about it with it, is the most useful piece of information on here. but if you wish to ignore me, then fine. but i'll be the on laughing when you get suspended and have to pay for any repairs

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Thing is, if it breaks at school, they fix it. If it breaks at home. well you know the answer to that. I already dropped it by accedent when It was raining and I ran inside the school, and the lcd cracked and had lines coming down the screen, all was fixed..

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good luck in life, if that is your attitude.

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Whats my attitude im just asking for help and you start bashing me? Like i said stop posting here if your not being nice or helpfull.

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Originally posted by Steven
Like i said stop posting here if your not being nice

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"Hi guys, my school doesn't think that I can be trusted with a computer that is their property and is only being loaned to me on the proviso that I don't mess about on it and use it for work only.

When I try and install any program (even the program that makes sure my clock is always accurate and gives me the weather all for free!!) it is gone when I restart the PC.

I want to prove that I can be trusted with a computer by breaking the trust and getting these restrictions that are in place to protect me and the school from any liability, please help me lol, I am really good at making sure things are safe so I wont break it. Just the other day, I dropped my computer and it broke, but now it works, which basically proves that I can be trusted."

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Wow I was given the computer because I have messy handwriting. And im unorganized. You think I was given it because they dont trust me with there computers?

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Originally posted by saralk
"Hi guys, my school doesn't think that I can be trusted with a computer that is their property and is only being loaned to me on the proviso that I don't mess about on it and use it for work only.

When I try and install any program (even the program that makes sure my clock is always accurate and gives me the weather all for free!!) it is gone when I restart the PC.

I want to prove that I can be trusted with a computer by breaking the trust and getting these restrictions that are in place to protect me and the school from any liability, please help me lol, I am really good at making sure things are safe so I wont break it. Just the other day, I dropped my computer and it broke, but now it works, which basically proves that I can be trusted."

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Wow I was given the computer because I have messy handwriting

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Theres a reason people put these types of protection on a computer... Just buy a cheap external hard drive and install xp or vista on it and boot from there... OR just install your programs to it

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Theres a reason people put these types of protection on a computer... Just buy a cheap external hard drive and install xp or vista on it and boot from there... OR just install your programs to it

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or even easier & cheaper, use the laptop for school stuff (like it was given for). and use your desktop pc for everything else

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I must say I stopped reading around page 4, so if this stuff has already been said then...


I just thought I'd add that as it is the school's laptop (and not yours), you are breaching the conditions under which you are supplied with the laptop and as far as I'm concerned that's illegal... If you think you'll get in trouble if someone finds out (which you've already made clear is the case) then you clearly should not be doing it.
They will know what you have done once the laptop is returned and they will know which student had it.

What happens if there's some sort of damage to the laptop? Will you be the only student without a working laptop because you tampered with someone else's (that is, the school's) property, you'll at least be liable to pay for any costs incurred repairing it?

When it comes to computers, school's aren't afraid to disallow you access to them.
Why should you have any privilidges over other students? If you have a legitimate reason then I'm sure your IT staff will arrange things for you.

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Im sure you wouldn't. Ill do the unfreezer and hope for the bst

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They are all incredibly stupid and they wont notice anything that i leave on the desktop. And Ill know when to give it back to them, so thats when ill delete some programs. Nothign to worry about on my part.

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They are all incredibly stupid and they wont notice anything that i leave on the desktop. And Ill know when to give it back to them, so thats when ill delete some programs. Nothign to worry about on my part.

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They are all incredibly stupid and they wont notice anything that i leave on the desktop. And Ill know when to give it back to them, so thats when ill delete some programs. Nothign to worry about on my part.

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Toddy just stop posting

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Toddy just stop posting

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Ok, well this is probably my last post in this thread since it doesn't seem to be going any where.

I think that the students at your school have been given a privilege by having access to your own laptops for your studies, most schools don't offer this type of thing at all.

I also find it somewhat despicable that you're trying to exploit the fact that you've been given this thing to aid in your education.
If you want a fully functional laptop then buy your own - you'll be able to do everything you want plus you'll be able to do your school work. Dont abuse your privileges.

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Originally posted by saralk
"Hi guys, my school doesn't think that I can be trusted with a computer that is their property and is only being loaned to me on the proviso that I don't mess about on it and use it for work only.

When I try and install any program (even the program that makes sure my clock is always accurate and gives me the weather all for free!!) it is gone when I restart the PC.

I want to prove that I can be trusted with a computer by breaking the trust and getting these restrictions that are in place to protect me and the school from any liability, please help me lol, I am really good at making sure things are safe so I wont break it. Just the other day, I dropped my computer and it broke, but now it works, which basically proves that I can be trusted."

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For once toddy is completely right and was able to speak nicely until you reached the exhaustion of any men's patience. You shouldn't do that in first place, but if you are determined to break the rules, you should only do it if you have the expertise to breach the security and retrieve it once you give the laptop back, which apparently you don't.

If you still want to break the rules and are willing to spend some money :

- Make a backup of all drivers just in case you can't get them from the internet later.
- Get a screwdriver and unplug the hard drive from the computer. Keep it in a safe place, inside a sealed plastic bag.
- Buy a new hard drive. Watch out for its size and interface. They are not the same size as conventional hard drives, normally they are 2.5". Also look out if they are SATA or IDE hard drives.
- Install Windows and the drivers.
- Once you're done with school, put the old hard drive back.

I will not be held responsible for this and I really think you shouldn't do it, but since it's my opinion that freedom of choice should be given to all of us, choose what's best for you. Remember, everything as consequences.

Well either do what Jhrono suggested and buy a new hard drive or get an disk imaging application like Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image, back up the whole HDD and burn it to a DVD, then install a fresh OS.

Just don't mess with it without having a working backup, this could get you in trouble when you have to give the laptop back.

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They are all incredibly stupid and they wont notice anything that i leave on the desktop. And Ill know when to give it back to them, so thats when ill delete some programs. Nothign to worry about on my part.

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If they were so stupid how could they install this protection and why can't you remove it?

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If they were so stupid how could they install this protection and why can't you remove it?

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I should point out one thing here, even if it contributes nothing, because I seem to be the only one who thinks it's worth reading.

You can refreeze the HDD with DeepUnfreezer. All this guy has to do is make a note of the system state before he unfreezes it, then when he has to give it back, deletes all the stuff that wasn't there before and refreezes it. Simple as that.

He also might have a legit reason to unfreeze the HDD. What if he piled all his homework/assignments/etc. on it, then where would it go? It would be deleted after he reboots. I see no reason for him not to unfreeze it if he is in that situation.

My two cents, and please no flaming :/

The school won't have a cry if it's unfrozen. When they get it back, they'll just take it back and ghost it. You wouldn't need to refreeze it or "cover your tracks", it's just unlocking the computer to work better. It won't be very educational if it's frozen.

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I should point out one thing here, even if it contributes nothing, because I seem to be the only one who thinks it's worth reading.

You can refreeze the HDD with DeepUnfreezer. All this guy has to do is make a note of the system state before he unfreezes it, then when he has to give it back, deletes all the stuff that wasn't there before and refreezes it. Simple as that.

He also might have a legit reason to unfreeze the HDD. What if he piled all his homework/assignments/etc. on it, then where would it go? It would be deleted after he reboots. I see no reason for him not to unfreeze it if he is in that situation.

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The school won't have a cry if it's unfrozen. When they get it back, they'll just take it back and ghost it. You wouldn't need to refreeze it or "cover your tracks", it's just unlocking the computer to work better. It won't be very educational if it's frozen.

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Consider this thread closed - do not bring it up for discussion again, or any kind of discussion about bypassing school systems, networks, proxies - you'll be banned.

The laptop is your schools property, it is locked down so it works on their corporate network without possible infection of viruses, or an altered level of system access, and actually works properly with their supported software.

People who think they own these machines need to step back & read their schools code of conduct, or the rules they were supplied with when they received the machine. It is not yours to do what you see fit with. I think you'll find that you can easily be suspended for what you're doing and have your laptop taken off you.

I work for two schools & manage their networks, this is the exact kind of thing which extremely pisses us off and we suspend students for.

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He also might have a legit reason to unfreeze the HDD. What if he piled all his homework/assignments/etc. on it, then where would it go? It would be deleted after he reboots. I see no reason for him not to unfreeze it if he is in that situation.

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