I want to get GTA IV.. but I don't have a PS3 or XBOX 360.. so it's decision time. Which one should I get? I also want the console of course, not just for the game .

Xbox 360 has better online multiplayer, so I hear (although it costs, but not much), whereas PS3 is free.

Xbox 360 is a lot cheaper, you can get the Premium console and GTA IV for £199.99 ($393 USD / $398 CAD) at Play.com which is a brilliant deal.

...Whereas PS3 is £300 ($590 USD / $598 CAD) on its own. I could get a second-hand one for cheaper I guess.

Also I have a PS2 and I've never played an xbox in my life .

Uhh I dunno. I can't decide.

Ask patchou, he might recommend you the 360

note some stuff:

- Xbox 360 gets hardware failures more than the PS3
- controller has great feel
- excellent online gameplay
- xbox support helps you replace your 360 within 2 weeks if it breaks down

id still go for 360 since it has better games

Xbox live silver isn't so bad. at least you can download demos (free too )

Get a PS3. I own both, the XBOX never gets played on, the only time i'm going to load that up is to play Saints Row 2. Also RROD, i suffered day one from it (no problems now though), the PS3 has given me no problems what so ever.
I will admit the 360 has more impressive games, but as a console it fails.

Wait for it to come out on PC?

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6-8 months

Like I said, I would also like a new games console

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get a PS3, unless you happen to not be an idiot. then, get an xbox 360.

PS3 : bluray player.

ps3 will run GTA IV better than the xbox360... also GT5

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360 (original) doesn't have the HDMI port and only comes with 20 GB.

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PS3 : bluray player.

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PS3 is to Xbox as FF is to IE, better!

PS3. Newer tech (Blue-Ray, HDMI), backward compatibility with your PS2...

I haven't quite played on the 360 (only those demos at EB Games), but have a played a bit on the PS3. It seems like PS3 is cooler. I personally don't have close friends that have a 360. Just Wiis and PS3s.

PS3 - the hardware isn't a bit better than the 360, it's a lot better. The Cell BE when properly utilised... well. It's scary-fast.

As far as I can see though, it looks like most of the PS3 exlusives might not be as exclusive as one might think: The only "big name" titles I can think of that we were promised that are still exclusive will be MSG4 [which may still go XBox, I know the last two did] and GT5.

Also, you probably won't have backwards-compatibility with the PS2 unless you get an MGS4-special-edition pack.

As for the 360.. well it just came down in price again.

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get a PS3, unless you happen to not be an idiot. then, get an xbox 360.

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ps3 will run GTA IV better than the xbox360...

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The poll garnered around 18,000 votes and found that 64% voted that they would buy the Xbox 360 version, with only 36% voting for the PS3 version.

The poll question asked, “If you’re buying GTA IV, which platform version will you purchase?”

This is a two-to-one ratio which is a pretty wide margin for Xbox 360 owners to win by to be quite honest.

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If you go to Game and trade in your PS2 and all your old games you'll be able to get money off a PS3 bundle and save urself a packet.  I traded in my PS2 + about 30 games (ranging from 0-5 yrs old), 4 controllers and 2 memory cards and knocked about £250 off the price of the £450 bundle that i got in September

PS3 is without a doubt the best thing I've ever bought and if Sony's what you know (having had a PS2) then i'd definitely recommend you stick with it and go for the PS3

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PS3 is without a doubt the best thing I've ever bought and if Sony's what you know (having had a PS2) then i'd definitely recommend you stick with it and go for the PS3

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Wtf, the XBOX 360 (non-Elite) does have a HDMI port - in fact I'm using it right now, for the rest refer to shawnz' post earlier in this thread.

The PlayStation is like Bollywood (look it up), it has a game production rate of 50 per day (exaggeration) but they're all pretty much the same and they're all crappy.

lol up till now i kept reading ShawnZ's post as "get a ps3, unless you happen to be an idiot, then get the xbox 360"

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lol up till now i kept reading ShawnZ's post as "get a ps3, unless you happen to be an idiot, then get the xbox 360"

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lol up till now i kept reading ShawnZ's post as "get a ps3, unless you happen to be an idiot, then get the xbox 360"

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I'd say get an 360.

1. Has more games.
2. Cheaper.
3. Xbox Live/ Online Multiplayer.
4. Graphics as good as PS3.
5.Halo 3 .
6.You can switch on/off the console with the controller , pretty handy if you're lazy lol ( dunno if you could do that with the PS3 ).
7.Connect your iPod and listen music while playing games .

Wii.

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If you go to Game and trade in your PS2 and all your old games you'll be able to get money off a PS3 bundle and save yourself a packet.  I traded in my PS2 + about 30 games (ranging from 0-5 yrs old), 4 controllers and 2 memory cards and knocked about £250 off the price of the £450 bundle that i got in September

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I would vote fot the PS3 lol I have both so I'd say its a fair argument...

Here's what I like about the PS3:
- Free online
- Blu-ray player (currently the best one on the market for its price)
- Sixaxis controllers is fun
- You can put linux on it (and use it as a pc lol)
- You can use any standard usb keyboard and mouse to play some games
- Though it's debatable that the xbox 360 has a better gfx card, the ps3 has a far better proccesor, so the physics in the game would be far superior.
- and if you get this cat controller, it's just like the xbox 360 one (i have it) and it's far better than the original one
- It has wireless built in

What I like about the xbox 360:
- Online is far better
- Far more games
- The slightly older games that got proted over to ps3 look much better on the xbox than the ps3
- The controller is much much nicer - it hugs your hand
- It doesn't look like a toaster (lmao)
- It doesn't pick up fingerprints and dust easily (the ps3 does)
- Slightly cheaper

That's all i can think of really for the moment (it was off the top of my head) and i'd just like to say one thing

Sony are developing PS3 Home, which is like a bit netowrk of players, where you can go to each others flats etc and play pool. It's really quite cool all the stuff they're doing, check out some of the features here:
Wiki's entry about PS3 home

And another thing, the games will be getting better and better with the ps3 because the developers in the games can't get the full power out of the gfx card yet because it hasn't been out long enough and the coding system ps3 implemented is overly complicated.
Hope I helped

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What I like about the xbox 360:
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Wii.

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If you go to Game and trade in your PS2 and all your old games you'll be able to get money off a PS3 bundle and save yourself a packet.  I traded in my PS2 + about 30 games (ranging from 0-5 yrs old), 4 controllers and 2 memory cards and knocked about £250 off the price of the £450 bundle that i got in September

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See I don't get people who do that. The PS2 was at least $200, how many old games, 30? At 50 a piece thats 1500 (just going on an average here). And you knocked $250 off the price. See I just think that's stupid. Yeah maybe you won't ever use the PS2 or the games again, and since a PS3 can play PS2 games get rid of the PS2 fair enough but still, as far as what you've already paid compared with what you're now giving it away for and getting a discount for as a result, it really seems as if that's a rip off.

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Definately. Wii's all the way!

But yeah go with the PS3 cos HD-DVD is pretty much obsolete now anyway, I don't really blame them how could it not be when competing with a product with such a cool name as "blu-ray".

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
Media: DVD, DVD-DL, CD, Add-On: HD DVD
@djdannyp
Hmm fair enough I guess, but as for currency, it's the same principle just less money.
EDIT: http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/23/xbox-360-hd-dv...-while-theyre-hot/ ah they've discontinued it, I didn't know that.

Xbox 360 when it comes to online play it is far superior and works a lot better, i know people talk of this RROD, personally i haven't had a RROD in the 6 months that i have owned my Xbox 360, personally i prefer Xbox 360 because of its online play with games like CoD4 and its extreme superiority in the amount of games available

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Yeah but lets face it, the xbox 360 has been out far longer than the PS3 so there have been more games developed. IIRC the same thing happened to the original xbox!

I have played both consoles and both consoles have their own quirks about them.

I have an Xbox 360 Elite. My friend has a Playstation 3. Both consoles are superior in certain aspects. Before I get into that someone pointed out that the Xbox hard drive is smaller compared to the PS3 and there is no HDMI. The Elite comes with HDMI and HDMI Cable as well as a 120GB hard drive, now that isn't to say that everyone is going to go and buy an Elite however when you consider the PS3 you can get the hard drive in a wide range from 20-80GB. However as of July of 2007 Xbox 360 Premium consoles come with an HDMI port. So both consoles in retrospect have the same thing going for them however the Playstation 3 has a wider range of consoles available.

Features I like about the PS3 over the 360 is its backwards compatibility however I am not sure if I like their move into software emulation for PS/PS2 games I much prefer the game to be driven by hardware (less room for error in my opinion). The 360 does provide backwards compatibility however from my experience in order to play older games you need to download patches, what happens if the unit isn't online how would you then be able to play your original games?

I really like the idea of the Playstation 3's built-in battery into their controllers that you charge through USB. It will save money in the long run instead of having to purchase AA batteries for your 360 wireless controller.

I find that loading time from the 360 is vastly faster then that of the PS3.

Overall it is a tough call to make. (Don't get me wrong there are loads of features that I like with the 360). It depends on what you truly plan on doing with it once you have beaten the game. PS3 does have a blue ray player (but what is the sense if you don't have an HD tv?) Xbox has more game titles available.

Xbox 360 con: made by Microsoft ...
PS3 con: made by Sony ...

Just wait for the iConsole and we can all indulge in Apple's bliss

Oh, and here is a PS3 for £230:

http://www.epctechuk.com/-games-consoles-/sony-ps...playstation-3.html

Xbox 360 .

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
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I used to have a PS1 and then a PS2 and was happy with it. But after i bought my 360, i could never go back to the PlayStation. 

Have you bought PS3? Cause if you haven't, you truly don't know what you are missing. Its graphics are something amazing. 

It depends what you are looking for. The Xbox has a strong online community, if you are going to be part of that, get one. However, if you are a more casual player and maybe not tempted by the Wii then consider the Playstation. I am going to be buying a Xbox or Playstation after my exams and so far I worked out getting a Xbox, with a HDMI cable, wireless adapter, Gold membership and various other factors will actually costs more than the PS3 (which I get a couple of free games with). So price is not really an issue when you compare the systems, for what I want when a get a next-gen console, the Xbox 360 will cost me £40 more ($80).

Also the Playstation is arguably more future built and maybe the Xbox 360's hold on the market will suffer .

What absorbtion said is true,  if you want a gaming expierence eqaul to the ps3, you need to spend an extra 200, (hd dvd player, wifi adapter, charger) so you get all that stuff, but then your 360 breaks, the failure rate is 33%, and I dont see why you have to pay 70 bucks a year for online. The online is not that much better than the PS3. Yeah, 360 has halo but then what? Metal gear solid 4 is coming out for ps3, which will be a system seller, as well as gtprolouge and gthd. As of right now, sony is doing a good job, and i dont see what the 360 has over the ps3.

Yeah, PS3 online is free and as for a "better online community" that's rubbish

whenever i've gone online with my PS3 (on at least 10 games) i've NEVER been short of a decent quality opponent to play with and provided you have a stable connection (which I do) then you rarely experience any kinds of stalling/freezing/etc to detract from the experience

and yeah, it's all built in, no add-ons needed

And when PS3 home comes, it will dominate xbox live

I cant wait for the Home network it'll be awesome!

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Have you bought PS3? Cause if you haven't, you truly don't know what you are missing. Its graphics are something amazing. 

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It's funny how PS3 supporters don't actually know anything about the 360 apart from HD-DVD and Halo.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
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Yeah, Add-On.

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HD DVD was never integrated into the XBOX 360, ever.

Oh I always thought they were. So did the people I talked to about them. Oh well.

i love this design


this one called elite or something like that is also nice....

buy both and achieve this:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bqok_2RkrB4

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the screen is....is too big....

I mean a big tv is good, but you're not like 10cm away from it when watching it

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I have an Xbox 360 Elite. My friend has a Playstation 3. Both consoles are superior in certain aspects. Before I get into that someone pointed out that the Xbox hard drive is smaller compared to the PS3 and there is no HDMI. The Elite comes with HDMI and HDMI Cable as well as a 120GB hard drive, now that isn't to say that everyone is going to go and buy an Elite however when you consider the PS3 you can get the hard drive in a wide range from 20-80GB. However as of July of 2007 Xbox 360 Premium consoles come with an HDMI port. So both consoles in retrospect have the same thing going for them however the Playstation 3 has a wider range of consoles available.

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Overall it is a tough call to make. (Don't get me wrong there are loads of features that I like with the 360). It depends on what you truly plan on doing with it once you have beaten the game. PS3 does have a blue ray player (but what is the sense if you don't have an HD tv?) Xbox has more game titles available.

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I have both, I prefere Xbox 360 if I have to decide, though I like both.

Although I am on my third 360 in 2 years after 2 breaking down, but this third one is from the new batch of them that apparently don't have the same problems.

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the screen is....is too big....

I mean a big tv is good, but you're not like 10cm away from it when watching it

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Oh I always thought they were. So did the people I talked to about them. Oh well.

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I want to get GTA IV.. but I don't have a PS3 or XBOX 360.. so it's decision time. Which one should I get?

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I dunno why people are saying there's NO online play with the PS3, there is. And with most games the online functionality is the exact same as on the 360, albeit without the XBox-Live features.

I think if FF13 moves to 360, then I will buy one of those. Until then, I'm saving for my PS3.

difference in graphics between PS3 and 360 are virtually no different

I agree with andrewdodd13. I am saving for a PS3 as well, as I know that the best games come out only for PS3.

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I agree with andrewdodd13. I am saving for a PS3 as well, as I know that the best games come out only for PS3.

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Metal gear solid 4, gt prolouge, gt hd, little big world Those are amazing. You cant say anything about that.

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I agree with andrewdodd13. I am saving for a PS3 as well, as I know that the best games come out only for PS3.

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Thanks for all the replies.

Really hard to decide

Wish I could get both.

Here's some statistics I found online:

% of current PS3 owners which only owned the Original XBOX: <1
% of current XBOX 360 owners which only owned the the PS2: 16

% of PS3 owners which are in denial: 99
% of statistics which are made up (inclusive): 92.73

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Metal gear solid 4, gt prolouge, gt hd, little big world Those are amazing. You cant say anything about that.

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Wow. Just wow: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32684.html
Complete replica of XBOX Live Marketplace anyone?

Yeah but I say it again: PS3 HOME will be awesome.


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Here's some statistics I found online:

% of current PS3 owners which only owned the Original XBOX: <1
% of current XBOX 360 owners which only owned the the PS2: 16

% of PS3 owners which are in denial: 99
% of statistics which are made up (inclusive): 92.73

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I agree with andrewdodd13. I am saving for a PS3 as well, as I know that the best games come out only for PS3.

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i agree... i'll start saving, but i was thinking on buy a PSP too....

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Hmm. If you buy a PSP now you'll miss out on all the neat stuff... like playing [finishing] Crisis Core in the UK 2 months before its out .

What Basilis is saying isn't exactly true. Gears of War and Halo 3 are amongst the best games I've played recently. Well, in the sense that I'd like them if I didn't hate shooting games on console [This will apply to MGS4 when it comes out]. Mice ftw.

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Plus on xbox live they still make you pay for maps and expansion packs, which i think is so stupid since you already paid for the game, + xbox live..

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i agree... i'll start saving, but i was thinking on buy a PSP too....

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Hmm. If you buy a PSP now you'll miss out on all the neat stuff... like playing [finishing] Crisis Core in the UK 2 months before its out .

What Basilis is saying isn't exactly true. Gears of War and Halo 3 are amongst the best games I've played recently. Well, in the sense that I'd like them if I didn't hate shooting games on console [This will apply to MGS4 when it comes out]. Mice ftw.

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Crysis*

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Plus on xbox live they still make you pay for maps and expansion packs, which i think is so stupid since you already paid for the game, + xbox live..

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i agree... i'll start saving, but i was thinking on buy a PSP too....

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Hmm. If you buy a PSP now you'll miss out on all the neat stuff... like playing [finishing] Crisis Core in the UK 2 months before its out .

What Basilis is saying isn't exactly true. Gears of War and Halo 3 are amongst the best games I've played recently. Well, in the sense that I'd like them if I didn't hate shooting games on console [This will apply to MGS4 when it comes out]. Mice ftw.

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Yeah, with a ps3 you can use a mouse to play a game if they have allowed it.

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alright, PS3 is best then i saw Crisis and this game looks awesome tho, i haven't play it yet

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How is that stupid Everyone knows that to play a FPS, a mouse is far more convenient and accurate then a controller! It's not stupid, it's something the xbox can't do, and you don't like that... just because you're a xbox fanboy

yeah you're only missing like a thousand buttons.

I still think that xbox live should at least provide its users with 100% free content, and maybe make it worth 90 dollars, becasue honestly, you know youri going to end up buying the content since you paid for the live..

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I still think that xbox live should at least provide its users with 100% free content, and maybe make it worth 90 dollars, becasue honestly, you know youri going to end up buying the content since you paid for the live..

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PS3 = Final fantasy 13 . i'll get one when the game's released, although it will take some time i guess

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I still think that xbox live should at least provide its users with 100% free content, and maybe make it worth 90 dollars, becasue honestly, you know youri going to end up buying the content since you paid for the live..

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Chrono is right. I think I've already said that.

As for a mouse on a console, what's the point in that? You would need a keyboard as well, and that's just turning your console into an overpowered gaming PC...

Of course, that's pretty much what the PS3 is anyway... What with being able to install Linux and all.

PSN is free... But then again how does that saying go?
"You get what you pay for."

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PSN is free... But then again how does that saying go?
"You get what you pay for."

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Xbox 360: £200. PS3: £300.

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter (£50) and a gold membership (£50) to have what I would want in the console.

This would mean the Xbox, for my specifications to be met would cost me around (£350) whereas the PS3 with a free HDMI cable and a game would cost me (£300). I found it odd the Xbox 360 would cost me more to retain the same features, but then again price wasn't really an issue for me, I just found it interesting .

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter (£50) and a gold membership (£50) to have what I would want in the console.

This would mean the Xbox, for my specifications to be met would cost me around (£350) whereas the PS3 with a free HDMI cable and a game would cost me (£300). I found it odd the Xbox 360 would cost me more to retain the same features, but then again price wasn't really an issue for me, I just found it interesting .

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter

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Isn't the Elite Wi-Fi out the box?
* RaceProUK checks...

Spend £250 on a console, and it doesn't have Wi-Fi? The Wii manages Wi-Fi at £180. Hell, the DS manages it at £100.

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter

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Isn't the Elite Wi-Fi out the box?
* RaceProUK checks...

Spend £250 on a console, and it doesn't have Wi-Fi? The Wii manages Wi-Fi at £180. Hell, the DS manages it at £100.

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Exactly, which is yet another reason why PS3 rules....everything is included

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If i'm honest with you guys, i slagged the PS3 off when i had the xbox, thinking, no way is it as good as the xbox. I even told my dad not to get one. But when i got one for christmas, i love it, and  the xbox never gets used anymore!

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If i'm honest with you guys, i slagged the PS3 off when i had the xbox, thinking, no way is it as good as the ps3. I even told my dad not to get one. But when i got one for christmas, i love it, and  the xbox never gets used anymore!

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If i'm honest with you guys, i slagged the PS3 off when i had the xbox, thinking, no way is it as good as the ps3. I even told my dad not to get one. But when i got one for christmas, i love it, and  the xbox never gets used anymore!

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buy both and achieve this:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bqok_2RkrB4

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Actually the Xbox 360 Elite is £250-260. I would then have to buy a wireless adapter

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Isn't the Elite Wi-Fi out the box?
* RaceProUK checks...

Spend £250 on a console, and it doesn't have Wi-Fi? The Wii manages Wi-Fi at £180. Hell, the DS manages it at £100.

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I've made a poll, vote here.

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gold membership (£50)

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$50 not £50

£25-£30 cheapest, which I think is very reasonable.

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Originally posted by Nathan
If i'm honest with you guys, i slagged the PS3 off when i had the xbox, thinking, no way is it as good as the ps3. I even told my dad not to get one. But when i got one for christmas, i love it, and  the xbox never gets used anymore!

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Yeah, I mean, how could the PS3 be as good as the ps3!

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Haha

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Wifi or not, there is no way I would (as of the time of writing this post) trade my XBOX 360 for a PS3, there is just nothing worth playing on the PS3 IMO.

Volv, what about metal gear solid four, and what about socom confrontation? Also What about gta iv, thats worth playing on the ps3 since it came out on sony brands originally, so you know what your gonna get.  The thing is, for sony they dont need exclusive content for the ps3 version because they already know everyone will buy it and love it, its GTA, come on. Battle feild is also worth playing on the ps3, free online, same expeirence now, with the new ps store. Cod4, has map packs this week, lair, uncharted, warhawk (amazingly fun if you like adventure shooters, where you can land a plane ,do just about antyhing (tanks). ) As you can see their is alot the ps3 can do and is still untapped, but their are realy good games that you can play now, and especally in the coming summer months. When you get a jacket, or a shoe, do you get it perfect size, or maybe just a bit bigger so youll grow into it?

Firstly Steven, MGS4 and GTA IV are not yet out - I'm not a fan of either franchise (I only liked GTA 1 and Vice City), they're not really my style of game. I dont see why I would be tempted to play GTA IV on the PS3 because previous games were out on the PS2, that doesnt seem to make any sense to me

The number of quality exclusive games which are of my preference on the XBOX360 outweigh those on the PS3 and since gameplay of non-exclusives are virtually identical on both systems (in fact many comparison videos suggest that existing cross-platform games have better, if not the same, quality graphics on the 360), I may as well get the 360.

Fortunately I can afford to effectively pay a few dollars a month (by buying a 12 month subscription) for an online service which will maintain a high standard of quality because it brings in revenue of its own.

Lair was a huge flop (and many PS3 owners I know agree).
Uncharted - okay seems like a decent game, the PS3 would do well to have a few more games like this.
Warhawk, meh not my style at all.

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When you get a jacket, or a shoe, do you get it perfect size, or maybe just a bit bigger so youll grow into it?

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Originally posted by Steven
Volv, what about metal gear solid four, and what about socom confrontation? Also What about gta iv, thats worth playing on the ps3 since it came out on sony brands originally, so you know what your gonna get.  The thing is, for sony they dont need exclusive content for the ps3 version because they already know everyone will buy it and love it, its GTA, come on. Battle feild is also worth playing on the ps3, free online, same expeirence now, with the new ps store. Cod4, has map packs this week, lair, uncharted, warhawk (amazingly fun if you like adventure shooters, where you can land a plane ,do just about antyhing (tanks). ) As you can see their is alot the ps3 can do and is still untapped, but their are realy good games that you can play now, and especally in the coming summer months. When you get a jacket, or a shoe, do you get it perfect size, or maybe just a bit bigger so youll grow into it?

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Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the achievement system - nobody has brought that up in the entire thread. The 360 achievement system adds (personally) many more hours on to games that I'd be done with in a few.

I spent many, many hours finishing COD4 on Veteran mode to get 1000/1000 gamerpoints - not to mention collecting all those Intel ietms
That system makes any game worth its salt.

Yes, but youre all forgetting that the xbox has been out longer than the ps3. So give it some time, jeez.

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Originally posted by Nathan
Yes, but youre all forgetting that the xbox has been out longer than the ps3. So give it some time, jeez.

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Wii.

ps3 !!!!!!!!!!!

duh 360

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Originally posted by ren0s
ps3 !!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Revan767
duh 360

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Look at the games currently available for each system, look at the games which will be available for each system in future. Decide which games you like most. Buy appropriate console.

Don't know why our opinions even matter tbh.

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ps3 !!!!!!!!!!!

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duh 360

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That's really not helping...

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Originally posted by ren0s
ps3 !!!!!!!!!!!

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duh 360

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That's really not helping...

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Yeah it is, look at the person who was banned, the "360" guy. Says it all really

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If you read my other points, you will see we do However I was just crackin' a joke, but you seem to have taken it to heart.

Okay.. well.. £99.99 ($197 USD/CAD) for an Xbox 360 premium (pre-owned) has temped me. Special offer at GameStation opening in my town.

+ £40 for GTA IV, £12 Play & Charge Kit (Game.co.uk), £24 Xbox Live 12 months +1 month (eBay, trusted seller).

That's £176 ($347 USD/CAD) total.

Good deal I think!

Your getting a 360? Your loss, dont just get it because you found one good deal on ebay, make sure it coems with WARRANTY, because 33% of them break, and mine broke, i sent it out last june, i got it back august, have fun with that

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Originally posted by Steven
Your getting a 360? Your loss, dont just get it because you found one good deal on ebay, make sure it coems with WARRANTY, because 33% of them break, and mine broke, i sent it out last june, i got it back august, have fun with that

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("Or just get a ps3 which comes with WiFi" .. yeah yeah, I know )

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Originally posted by Chris4
Okay.. well.. £99.99 ($197 USD/CAD) for an Xbox 360 premium (pre-owned) has temped me. Special offer at GameStation opening in my town.

+ £40 for GTA IV, £12 Play & Charge Kit (Game.co.uk), £24 Xbox Live 12 months +1 month (eBay, trusted seller).

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Originally posted by Steven
make sure it coems with WARRANTY, because 33% of them break, and mine broke, i sent it out last june, i got it back august, have fun with that

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That's £176 ($347 USD/CAD) total.

Good deal I think!

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Originally posted by Steven
Your getting a 360? Your loss, dont just get it because you found one good deal on ebay, make sure it coems with WARRANTY, because 33% of them break, and mine broke, i sent it out last june, i got it back august, have fun with that

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Originally posted by Chris4

Was just thinking.. my modem is downstairs, this PC is upstairs in my bedroom connected to downstairs, wirelessly.
Xbox360 will go in my bedroom. Do I just have to get an ethernet cable to go from this PC -> Xbox360 ?

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Yeah, I totally understand!

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Originally posted by Chris4
Was just thinking.. my modem is downstairs, this PC is upstairs in my bedroom connected to downstairs, wirelessly.
Xbox360 will go in my bedroom. Do I just have to get an ethernet cable to go from this PC -> Xbox360 ?

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Originally posted by Chris4
Was just thinking.. my modem is downstairs, this PC is upstairs in my bedroom connected to downstairs, wirelessly.
Xbox360 will go in my bedroom. Do I just have to get an ethernet cable to go from this PC -> Xbox360 ?

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Shawn, it costs $100. Another reason why the xbox ends up being more expensive in the end. So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

you can get the adapter for the original xbox which is about 20 and works too. don't let the lie to you!

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/


$99.

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So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by Steven
So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

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Because of the price, I did say that.

But I guess I'm just going to have to get neither for now.. because I just can't be bothered with it now...

Maybe I'll regret getting the 360, maybe I will regret not getting it (because I'll never see it at that price again for a long time, which is why I wanted to get it).. But it's doing my head in and I'm not going to waste my money on something I'll regret, so I won't get either.

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or you could just use the included ethernet cable...

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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Originally posted by Steven
So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

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Because of the price, I did say that.

But I guess I'm just going to have to get neither for now.. because I just can't be bothered with it now...

Maybe I'll regret getting the 360, maybe I will regret not getting it (because I'll never see it at that price again for a long time, which is why I wanted to get it).. But it's doing my head in and I'm not going to waste my money on something I'll regret, so I won't get either.

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
he distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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The distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by Steven
So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

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Because of the price, I did say that.

But I guess I'm just going to have to get neither for now.. because I just can't be bothered with it now...

Maybe I'll regret getting the 360, maybe I will regret not getting it (because I'll never see it at that price again for a long time, which is why I wanted to get it).. But it's doing my head in and I'm not going to waste my money on something I'll regret, so I won't get either.

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just buy the 360 and play GTA IV

and if you don't like it you can always return it (in 30 days)

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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The distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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I can connect xbox 360 -> my pc which will be in the same room, so if there's an included ethernet cable then that's alright

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So tell me chris, why the 360? We told you so much, and now, what made you pick it?

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Because of the price, I did say that.

But I guess I'm just going to have to get neither for now.. because I just can't be bothered with it now...

Maybe I'll regret getting the 360, maybe I will regret not getting it (because I'll never see it at that price again for a long time, which is why I wanted to get it).. But it's doing my head in and I'm not going to waste my money on something I'll regret, so I won't get either.

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just buy the 360 and play GTA IV

and if you don't like it you can always return it (in 30 days)

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Yeah.. I'm hoping it will have some warranty as well.

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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The distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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The distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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which is why you connect the ethernet to the pc which will be sat right next to it, which had you read any of the posts you'd know is what was being talked about.

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13

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Originally posted by vaccination
or you could just the included ethernet cable...

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The distance between my room upstairs and the telephone socket downstairs requires 3m of telephone cable. It's quite likely that there's more of a distance for Chris. And I seriously doubt the included ethernet cable is longer than that...

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which is why you connect the ethernet to the pc which will be sat right next to it, which had you read any of the posts you'd know is what was being talked about.

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Don't you need a Cat 5e crossover cable rather than a standard ethernet one to do that?

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Almost all ethernet cables are Cat 5e, but they do not cross-over. You always require a crossover cable to implement a wired ad-hoc network. Usually the router takes care of this.

I'm pretty sure the cable that comes with the x360 is a straight ethernet (not crossover) cable, but it's used for system link and I used it to go x360 => PC network bridge so idk. I think it's about 8ft but it varies apparently, some come with longer cables.

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I think it's about 8ft but it varies apparently, some come with longer cables.

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
Almost all ethernet cables are Cat 5e, but they do not cross-over. You always require a crossover cable to implement a wired ad-hoc network. Usually the router takes care of this.

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So you've changed your mind, and you are going to buy a console?

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I know what I am going to be getting Xbox ftw.. Well Banjo Kazooie ftw actually Anyone that doesn't like Banjo Kazooie obviously has serious mental conditions.

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Originally posted by vaccination

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
Almost all ethernet cables are Cat 5e, but they do not cross-over. You always require a crossover cable to implement a wired ad-hoc network. Usually the router takes care of this.

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yeah you just plug in the ethernet cable and create a network bridge, why're you making such a fuss about it?

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Banjooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Yay Banjo Threeie!

I got my Xbox 360
Just purchased COD4 and Xbox Live Gold.. and soon to be GTA IV.

And how much did that cost you?

You said you got it because of price..
When really, you paid more.

(the online service)

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Originally posted by Steven
And how much did that cost you?

You said you got it because of price..
When really, you paid more.

(the online service)

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And how much did that cost you?

You said you got it because of price..
When really, you paid more.

(the online service)

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better console won, get over it.

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Nope, sorry. Chris would of bought the PS3 if he had more money. He told me lol.

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No its not.

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Originally posted by Steven
And how much did that cost you?

You said you got it because of price..
When really, you paid more.

(the online service)

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Nope, sorry. Chris would of bought the PS3 if he had more money. He told me lol.

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Im sure you can find a cheaper pre order if you really wanted to, i mean, how can one thing be $99, and the other having such a high rate? Im saying, if you really wanted to, you can find it cheaper!

BUT, its not my choice, and your loss, ill feel bad for you when socom confrontation and metal gear solid come out.

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BUT, its not my choice, and your loss, ill feel bad for you when socom confrontation and metal gear solid come out.

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Some games look better on the PS3

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Some games look better on the PS3

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Such as? Pics.

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Some games look better on the PS3

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Such as? Pics.

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Fucking smart ass fanboy comment here. I've seen side by side comparisons of games and if you haven't even bothered looking things like this up then please shut the fuck up about how awesome your Xbox 360 is

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Originally posted by Volv
The number of quality exclusive games which are of my preference on the XBOX360 outweigh those on the PS3 and since gameplay of non-exclusives are virtually identical on both systems (in fact many comparison videos suggest that existing cross-platform games have better, if not the same, quality graphics on the 360), I may as well get the 360.

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please shut the fuck up

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Originally posted by Phillip
please shut the fuck up

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http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/

i think that says it all

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http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/

i think that says it all

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Phillip,
Look, I don't know what the hell half your post was on about, it seemed like a bunch of random babble which was completely irrelevant to anything I have posted in relation to you.

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Now your just being a dick. If you even bothered to read my first post properly you would understand where I was coming from.

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So don't bring up shit from your previous posts about how you like the Xbox because it has alot of games you like on it. I never fucking denied that idiot.

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Originally posted by Volv
The number of quality exclusive games which are of my preference on the XBOX360 outweigh those on the PS3 and since gameplay of non-exclusives are virtually identical on both systems (in fact many comparison videos suggest that existing cross-platform games have better, if not the same, quality graphics on the 360), I may as well get the 360.

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I've seen side by side comparisons of games and if you haven't even bothered looking things like this up then please shut the fuck up ...

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Wow I missed 1 post in a thread with 165 posts

You say you have already seen these videos and you think the Xbox looks much better. They are pretty much the same. The only difference in most of them is the PS3 colours are less vibrant and sharpness is lower (which if your not a dickhead you can adjust your TV anyway..) and of course you are going to say the Xbox looks better than the PS3. You are a Xbox fanboy.

If you want evidence that the PS3 has better graphics then go check NanaFreak's post. Best looking game I have ever seen on a console. There's your evidence Volv. My previous post was not just for you. Sadly princess not everything is about you . I was giving my reasons to why the Xbox isn't so fucking great (omg yes I said fuck btw). Stop fucking quoting me and stop being such a dick. Go play your Xbox

Guys, calm! He's chosen the xbox, totally his decision, he won't regret it I am sure, the xbox is a good peice of kit, and so id the ps3, it's matter of preference I suppose.
Just leave it, it's only going to end up turning into a flame war, and everyone getting pissed off, and getting banned.

(Ps3 > xbox)

* Nathan runs


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Edit:

Can I just add one thing, people seem to be getting mixed up about?

Sure, the xbox has a marginally better gpu than the ps3, but the cpu makes up for it, the cpu outstrips the xbox's one, no question about it. What would you rather have? A few bricks with a few tiny details added, or a physics engine that blows your mind? Lets face it, the raw power of the cpu, can handle the physics so well, that it infact looks far better than the xbox.

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Originally posted by Nathan
Guys, calm! He's chosen the xbox, totally his decision, he won't regret it I am sure, the xbox is a good peice of kit, and so id the ps3, it's matter of preference I suppose.
Just leave it, it's only going to end up turning into a flame war, and everyone getting pissed off, and getting banned.

(Ps3 > xbox)

* Nathan runs

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Please guys.. Stop the flame war. This thread is going to get locked if you carry on.

It's a games console for God's sake!

P.S Updated post

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Wow I missed 1 post in a thread with 165 posts

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(the online service)

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Originally posted by Nathan
Yes, but youre all forgetting that the xbox has been out longer than the ps3. So give it some time, jeez.

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Originally posted by ShawnZ
the xbox 360 has had all of these features since its arrival...

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the xbox 360 has had all of these features since its arrival...

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Yeah, it also had that beautifull feature, where if you played it for a few hours it would, like, blow up I've always wanted that feature

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the xbox 360 has had all of these features since its arrival...

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Yeah, it also had that beautifull feature, where if you played it for a few hours it would, like, blow up I've always wanted that feature

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wow because it obviously actually does that

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Yeah, I think you will find that like 70% of them did, when they first came out.

Feel free to correct me on th percentage I can't remember exact percentage

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You know exactly what I mean shawnz, you just don't like being proven wrong, so you go into niggly little things.
THEY GOT A RROD, which rendered them as useful as a brick.

That clear enough for you?

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Originally posted by Nathan
You know exactly what I mean shawnz, you just don't like being proven wrong, so you go into niggly little things.
THEY GOT A RSOD, which rendered them as useful as a brick.

That clear enough for you?

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You're such an idiot sometimes shawnz, I don't mean literally blown up. I mean the components inside.
If someone says the computer has blown up, oh wait, does that mean its literally blown up, into thousands of pieces!? Of course it fucking doesn't. They're just talking about a component inside. So stop trying to be a cocky, clever little shit, its just not happening?

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RSOD

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Originally posted by Nathan
You're such an idiot sometimes shawnz, I don't mean literally blown up. I mean the components inside.
If someone says the computer has blown up, oh wait, does that mean its literally blown up, into thousands of pieces!? Of course it fucking doesn't. They're just talking about a component inside. So stop trying to be a cocky, clever little shit, its just not happening?

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I'm not trying to convince anyone shawnz, especially you, because nothing penetrates the thick Microsoft fan boy skin you have.

Volv you are a fanboy and you will always be a fanboy because you can't think for yourself. You take a perfectly reasonable post about both consoles being basically equals and you find some negative about the console that you don't like. That is why you are a fanboy. As for my "excessive use of profanity", stop being a little bitch and get over it.

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Originally posted by Nathan
Yeah, I think you will find that like 70% of them did, when they first came out.

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I have to admit xbox live was much better, due to the fact of the ps store being very messy and unorganized, but a week ago, a redisigned was made with a firmware update, and now the new ps store looks much better and easier to navigate! So yeah, just like the ps2 last generation,

   it was all about entertainment, since DVD players were very expensive, people just bought a ps2 for the games and media, but now ,i really think sony is stepping it up, i mean, i just bought gt prologue yesterday, and OMG, it looks like real life even on a standard tv. The fact of the matter is, you can't change a fanboys mind, these things no matter what will be preference to them.

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I've also heard stories about people modding their Xbox fans to avoid the "RROD" and had their consoles banned from Xbox Live for doing so. Now that's just a little pathetic IMO. Never having used Xbox Live myself can someone tell me what is so wonderful about it anyway..?

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Originally posted by Phillip

I've also heard stories about people modding their Xbox fans to avoid the "RROD" and had their consoles banned from Xbox Live for doing so. Now that's just a little pathetic IMO. Never having used Xbox Live myself can someone tell me what is so wonderful about it anyway..?

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Wtf? I've never heard of anyone getting banned for adding fans, think you've been bull shitted there.

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Originally posted by Steven
The fact of the matter is, you can't change a fanboys mind, these things no matter what will be preference to them.

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Originally posted by vaccination

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Originally posted by Phillip

I've also heard stories about people modding their Xbox fans to avoid the "RROD" and had their consoles banned from Xbox Live for doing so. Now that's just a little pathetic IMO. Never having used Xbox Live myself can someone tell me what is so wonderful about it anyway..?

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Wtf? I've never heard of anyone getting banned for adding fans, think you've been bull shitted there.

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Linky. Only fans that use different voltages.

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Yes because prolonging the life of your Xbox 360 gives people a major advantage in Call of Duty (first game that came to mind) That's like banning me from Counter Strike because I put silent fans in my computer. Once you own something you should be free to do what you like with it as long as it's not illegal.

Edit: But in Microsoft's defense they make the rules and they do have a dispute system.

Phillip has a good point. Jus tbecause its written in the terms of agreement, it does not mean that its right/ smart. Yes I agree that its your fault for putting the fans in, but, does it really make a cheating difference online? Maybe it does, to the fact that if your playing free for all, your whole team will have died having the red ring of death, but you cheated, youll have those fans installed, keeping your 360 alive, and you will win the free for all game. Thats the only thing i can trhink of.

They didn't ban him for using fans though, they banned him for using a modded console, they can't tell that he's using different fans, they can just tell that something has been done to the system. So it's not stupid in any way.

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They didn't ban him for using fans though, they banned him for using a modded console, they can't tell that he's using different fans, they can just tell that something has been done to the system. So it's not stupid in any way.

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They didn't ban him for using fans though, they banned him for using a modded console, they can't tell that he's using different fans, they can just tell that something has been done to the system. So it's not stupid in any way.

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That is stupid because they can't tell if he has done anything wrong at all so they just ban him anyway.

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He modified his console which is explicitly against the rules, doesn't matter whether it gives him a performance advantage or not.

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But in Microsoft's defense they make the rules and they do have a dispute system.

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it's the same principle as a sports person being banned for the use of recreational drugs.

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But in Microsoft's defense they make the rules and they do have a dispute system.

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No, its really not. The guy was just prolonging the life of his Xbox. Maybe if you said it's the same as a sports person getting a new kidney or something and getting banned from competing for it.

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I think it's reasonable to suspect someone of abusing the XBL system (in terms of playing games online, uploading false achievements, downloading paid content for free, etc.) if they have made any modification to their console (considering that the MS servers can't see what you have actually done to your console).

I dont think banning such users is unfair whatsoever, the terms (I assume) state that modified units are not allowed on the service and hence you are warned beforehand. Furthermore, hardware faults are covered under warranty (which you would have to be an idiot to void by opening the unit if you are not opening it for other, less honest reasons).
RRODs are covered under warranty for 3 years and if your warranty has expired then there are alternative methods of cooling your system (not to mention that proper ventillation is sufficient in itself) than modifying the internal fans.

NOTE: This is a statement of opinion not directed at any person in particular.
...For some reason I get the feeling I should be expecting insults thrown my way anyway.

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So what if the Xbox has a slightly better GPU

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So what if the Xbox has a slightly better GPU

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Actually, technically the PS3's GPU is better. The reason games may look better on the 360 is that it's easier to utilise all of the system's performance.

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I've just been comparing the raw figures for the CPUs and GPUs for both consoles. By the numbers, the PS3 wins the CPU and the GPU (the RSX is literally twice the power).

However:

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But who cares about graphics when the game isn't fun.

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I have never played with Ps3 either 360 But Im hoping GTA IV Will release for Pc I HOPE SO But I believe the both gaming platforms are similar too So Try to find out a person who has played GTA IV on the platforms and learn about their experiences Im sure it should give you an idea...

Just thought this was interesting, they're both pretty much identical, just minor brightness/contrast differences:
Grand Theft Auto IV: Comparison Video (PS3 v XBOX360)

EDIT: Btw, GTA4 is an awesome game (and I havent been a very big fan of the new 3D GTA generation)

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EDIT: Btw, GTA4 is an awesome game (and I havent been a very big fan of the new 3D GTA generation)

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haha, that was when I was only a couple of hours into it and trying out the multiplayer. The multiplayer is still not so great but the next day I regretted those statements on the basis of single player alone.

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Grand Theft Auto IV has set a new record for first-day sales in the UK, shifting 609,000 units in a single day. This beats the previous record of 501,000, set by San Andreas in 2004. In terms of which version did the best business, ChartTrack report that the 360 one slightly outsold the PS3 version, 335,000 to 274,000.

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Reviews are claiming the PS3 version to be slightly superior, but by no real notable degree. The IGN Xbox team just said the PS3 version just feels better.

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But who cares about graphics when the game isn't fun.

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

Mmm yes GTA4 is amazing. Although I was kinda confused as to what the point of the private strip shows it?

Even if I did have to spend like £350 to get it... [Had to buy a current-gen console to get it - got a 360, simply because everyone else I know has one => XBL]

There's no noticeable differences between the two games in reality, just brightness like someone said.

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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Mmm yes GTA4 is amazing. Although I was kinda confused as to what the point of the private strip shows it?

Even if I did have to spend like £350 to get it... [Had to buy a current-gen console to get it - got a 360, simply because everyone else I know has one => XBL]

There's no noticeable differences between the two games in reality, just brightness like someone said.

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Mmm yes GTA4 is amazing. Although I was kinda confused as to what the point of the private strip shows it?

Even if I did have to spend like £350 to get it... [Had to buy a current-gen console to get it - got a 360, simply because everyone else I know has one => XBL]

There's no noticeable differences between the two games in reality, just brightness like someone said.

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360's are like £150-200 now

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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The IGN head editor for Xbox 360 said he preferred the PS3 version, but claimed there was very little difference.

Also the dualshock controller should be out in the UK soon .

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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You can turn SIXAXIS off

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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You can turn SIXAXIS off

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I know, that doesn't make it any less crap though

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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You can turn SIXAXIS off

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I know, that doesn't make it any less crap though

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How is the SIXAXIS crap? It adds more fun into the game, everyone I know likes it, maybe you dont like it, because its not on the xbox.

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I've only seen reviews saying the prefer one or the other because they prefer said console. The game in itself are exactly the same, except the PS3 has that horrible sixaxis.

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You can turn SIXAXIS off

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I know, that doesn't make it any less crap though

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How is the SIXAXIS crap? It adds more fun into the game, everyone I know likes it, maybe you dont like it, because its not on the xbox.

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*cough* http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=389555

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I got the game last night and after the initial install it got stuck on the "starting new game" screen...after reading some posts on us.playstation.com, I guess the only workaround is to either sign out of PSN or disable the ps3 internet connection (via XMB)...this is what I did and it has sinced worked...no problems so far.

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so ps3 users cant play online? great....<censored>

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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So it's true that it's not working online?

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lol, 360 fanboys are probaly soo happy. they were talking about how they had a better service because they paid. lol they do because their money went probably to that deal for rockstar to make it better on the 360.

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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Works fine on the 360

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So it's true?

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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Works fine on the 360

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Whats you're point?

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So it's true?

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Well if the quotes you got are from trusted sources then I suppose so?

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Probs just a small portion my mates haven't had that problem.

It's actually pretty widespread

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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Works fine on the 360

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Whats you're point?

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360 is better.
Naw but my point is that it's hardly the developer's fault, it's the fact that the PS3 is hard to code for.

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Why don't you make a poll....

Well I have a PS3 and it is great, much better than that XBOX 360, graphics are better, free online, if your willing to pay A LOT extra.

OH ya, and I have a Wii. GOOD FOR ME!!

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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Works fine on the 360

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Whats you're point?

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360 is better.
Naw but my point is that it's hardly the developer's fault, it's the fact that the PS3 is hard to code for.

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Actually, it is the developer's fault, because the PSN doesn't offer the same sort of centralised online system that XBox Live does. On PSN, it's up to the developer to create the online gameplay system. On 360, the developer uses XBox Live.

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Wii.

Wii fails. I'm yet to have come across a Wii game that I could play as much as I've played GTA4 over the past two three weeks. (Damned, has it really been *that* long?)

In case you're wondering, even with all my "If I had the money, I'd get a PS3", I got a 360 Elite.

Simply cause everyone I know has one, and online play isn't as much fun with randoms imo.

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Why don't you make a poll....

Well I have a PS3 and it is great, much better than that XBOX 360, graphics are better, free online, if your willing to pay A LOT extra.

OH ya, and I have a Wii. GOOD FOR ME!!

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That's not the PS3's fault lol. Its the rockstars developers fault.

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Works fine on the 360

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Whats you're point?

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360 is better.
Naw but my point is that it's hardly the developer's fault, it's the fact that the PS3 is hard to code for.

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Actually, it is the developer's fault, because the PSN doesn't offer the same sort of centralised online system that XBox Live does. On PSN, it's up to the developer to create the online gameplay system. On 360, the developer uses XBox Live.

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Thats because he probably gets XBOX online free, I agree, the online on XBOX is better, but you have to pay.

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I may have written in this thread before, but whatever.

I was playing on a Playstation 3 for a few hours the other day, on some of the games that I've owned/played on the Xbox 360 and so far I have to say that I prefer the 360. I admit that they're stupid for refusing to get blu-ray attachments etc (although I think later in the year they will), but the hardware etc is just better.

Go to eurogamer.net for comparison on the games about most of the time the 360 dominates or is better (even if it's very slight - read the GTA IV article for example).

I can't just say that I played on a PS3 and didn't like it without explanations so I'll explain myself.

The Controllers:
The L2/R2 buttons are convex, so without having a great grip your fingers are likely to slip off, whereas on the 360 they're concave so you'll always have a great grip on. Also the resistance of the buttons is really peculiar, it just feels wrong. The 360 has got their button placement perfect now, whereas Sony have been too scared to change their controller for ten years. Obviously it's good that they've, ahem, adapted to the Wii, by adding 'six-axis', but it's largely a novelty that isn't of much use and was unnecessary - they should've kept the rumble feature in, instead of having to bring out a new controller that consumers will have to buy.

That's what I love about the 360, it's kept to it's roots and kept simple - nothing unnecessary, the only changes they've made in updated version of 360 controllers are aesthetic, such as the release of the elite controllers, and if you compare the controllers to the original ones that came with the 360, you'll see that they were originally glossy, but now they're matte.

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Obviously we have to take into account the fact that every service has downtime, just look at what happened to Xbox Live in December, that was catastrophic.

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Obviously, Sony's Blu-ray feature is pretty much flawless, having destroyed hd-dvd

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Yeah you know what I mean though. In all honesty blu-ray is great and nobody can say it isn't, but I'm not saying that it's good for the PS3, it's just a good format.

And yes, they fixed it a while ago, they even compensated xbox live gold users with a free game, how generous. Microsoft really have their customer support sussed.

I just brought myself a PS3, and in all honesty I believe it has a better feel to it, than the weekend I was playing my friend's Xbox 360.

I think the console has a brighter future ahead, I just couldn't see much else on the 360 that is coming in recent years (apart from Banjo).

Traxor, do you even know what you are talking about? First of all, You can upgrade the HDD, without voiding the warranty, You are also not limited to 120GB. I have a 500GB HDD in my PS3 . The PS3 doesn't "use a 640p resolution" either. The only game I know of that does, is GTA IV, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Doesn't halo run at 640p anyway?

My PS3 also fits nicely under my TV, Unlike my old 360 because of its huge external Power Supply.

Almost everything in your post reeks of M$ fanboyism.

I'm eager for the PS3 Home to come out, it will dominate xbox live!

(P.S, you've chosen a great console ross )

I'm with Dazzy...

none of you has a NPOV, face it. now now, PS3 fanboys, support your opinions the way traxor did.

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Doesn't halo run at 640p anyway?

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Naturally it’s more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see – lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible – so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately “real” feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the “almost-720p” image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet’s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven’t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings.

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I don't know about the quality of the graphics or the console quality because I haven't used either PS3 or XboX 360. But I believe that the design of PS3 cannot be compared with XboX 360. The PS3 looks amazing. Also, the controller of PS3 is more easy and practical to use while the controller of XboX 360 is very big and difficult to play with. Last but not least, PS3 has a variety of games while XboX has contracts only with several companies and so it has fewer games

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I don't know about the quality of the graphics or the console quality because I haven't used either PS3 or XboX 360. But I believe that the design of PS3 cannot be compared with XboX 360. The PS3 looks amazing. Also, the controller of PS3 is more easy and practical to use while the controller of XboX 360 is very big and difficult to play with. Last but not least, PS3 has a variety of games while XboX has contracts only with several companies and so it has fewer games

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Also, the controller of PS3 is more easy and practical to use while the controller of XboX 360 is very big and difficult to play with

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I haven't used either PS3 or XboX 360

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PS3 has a variety of games while XboX has contracts only with several companies and so it has fewer games

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I'm sorry basillis you're talking crap

The ps3 controllers are no where near as good as the xbox ones (and I can admit that) and they're are waaay more games for the xbox than the ps3

The PS3 controllers are the same used in PS1 and PS2. They are practical. The XboX controllers are very big, like XboX one's controllers which I have played with. You may find it easier to play with XboX controllers but most people are used to the PS3 ones

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Originally posted by Basilis
The PS3 controllers are the same used in PS1 and PS2. They are practical. The XboX controllers are very big, like XboX one's controllers which I have played with. You may find it easier to play with XboX controllers but most people are used to the PS3 ones

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Sorry but you're a bit behind the times basilis

I'm with vax.

Anyway, I had played in a mall with XboX 360 controllers and I found it difficult. You may got used to them but I doubt they reach PS3's easiness in use.

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I would agree with you that the Xbox controllers were chunky and horrible, but all that has changed.

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You may got used to them but I doubt they reach PS3's easiness in use.

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I would agree with you that the Xbox controllers were chunky and horrible, but all that has changed.

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they are not that different from the second controller revision of the original xbox.... the original original controllers are HORRIBLE

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Anyway, I had played in a mall with XboX 360 controllers and I found it difficult. You may got used to them but I doubt they reach PS3's easiness in use.

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Anyway, I had played in a mall with XboX 360 controllers and I found it difficult. You may got used to them but I doubt they reach PS3's easiness in use.

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Perhaps I may have big hands (but I don't think I do), but the 360 controller fits perfectly in my hand - my thumb can be on both thumbsticks while my index finger is on the triggers.

Now that I'm comparing, my PS2 controller actually feels kinda small...

Traxor's post is epic. [And yet I find myself unable to say tl;dr]

But I don't really think the 360 has a better processor than the PS3...

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Sorry Daz, I was led to believe that the PS3 did run a 640p resolution as a standard. If I was a Microsoft fanboy, then I wouldn't have written that the PS3 was good etc,c I would've completely bashed it.

Also, Basilis... You said that you'd never played either then changed your mind... you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, so let people who do have a discussion about it.

As for the cpu, the ps3 only has one core whereas the xbox 360 has three, so it has more processing power.

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Anyway, I had played in a mall with XboX 360 controllers and I found it difficult. You may got used to them but I doubt they reach PS3's easiness in use.

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As for the cpu, the ps3 only has one core whereas the xbox 360 has three, so it has more processing power.

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The PS3 has better hardware specs, but the Xbox 360 more games. Some of the games gets ported to PS3 (like Call of Duty 4), and these ports aren't always using the PS3 to the max because the game mainly was written for the Xbox 360.

Sorry traxor but where are you getting your "facts" from?

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Sorry traxor but where are you getting your "facts" from?

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Blah, I give up - everyone's so stubborn

On another note, I bought GTA liberty city today - But I can't play it till sunday because PS3 is there

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As for the cpu, the ps3 only has one core whereas the xbox 360 has three, so it has more processing power.

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Don't trust Gametrailers for comparisons, they are very bias against the PS3; they have even been forced to remove some due to the vast amount of email they get. They have a habit of messing with the RGB options and brightness to make the PS3 look worse.

That being said the PS3 controller isn't very good. The Xbox is slightly better, yet doesn't look as slick. But the Wii has the best controller without a doubt, it is so comfortable and extremely fun.

Wii is superior!

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The Xbox is slightly better, yet doesn't look as slick.

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Im saving for an X360 but this kind of decision always has to do with you.

I think Xbox Live is what really makes me prefer XBOX 360

I have an xbox 360, but does anyone else think the console is old generation? For example the CD tray is like old generation in my eyes, similar to the the PS2, the CD tray comes out. When I first came across a Wii or PS3 I was wowed by the fact that it doesn't have a CD tray, you just put the CD in.

The feel of the 360 just seems old and not as well built compared to the others and I was disappointed when I first got it.

Note: That doesn't change the fact that its a good console

I think the console looks great. CD slots where you just push in the disc have been around for ages in motor vehicles (and elsewhere) - they're not very special and I dont think they define a 'next gen' design...
You probably just feel that way because you don't actually have a PS3 or Wii

Personaly, the self loading CD trays do give it a bit more of a next gen edge. Just a bit.

you can't use smaller sized disc on self loading drives..... that sucks! i have about 10 that i can't use on my laptop...

also, if a disc gets stuck for some reason, its REALLY easy to open the tray, unlike the self loading drives.

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you can't use smaller sized disc on self loading drives..... that sucks! i have about 10 that i can't use on my laptop...

also, if a disc gets stuck for some reason, its REALLY easy to open the tray, unlike the self loading drives.

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****not all of them

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Sorry traxor but where are you getting your "facts" from?

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Do you own both consoles?

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The Xbox 360 doesn't have a self loading tray? I can't imagine it without one, what does it look like, the console looked perfect to suck up disks to me, whereas the PS3, I thought would have one popping out.

The Wii one is extremely clever, from its LCD lights to the way it positions the disk.

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Why has the PS3 got an internal hard-drive? Surely it'd make more sense for Sony to have made it easy for users to remove the HDD without voiding the warranty

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I know this is a late response, but the PS3 hard drive is actually an absolute doddle to remove. Simply prise off the small cover on the left end (viewed from the front), flip the handle up, slide and remove! What's more, is a standard SATA laptop drive

And no warranty stickers need removing.

And I know because I have a PS3, and removed the hard drive, just to see what it was.

Edit: I've uploaded a picture, linked because it's a biggie.
PS3 Hard Drive part-removed
By the way, I forgot about the little screw.

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Why has the PS3 got an internal hard-drive? Surely it'd make more sense for Sony to have made it easy for users to remove the HDD without voiding the warranty

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I know this is a late response, but the PS3 hard drive is actually an absolute doddle to remove. Simply prise off the small cover on the left end (viewed from the front), flip the handle up, slide and remove! What's more, is a standard SATA laptop drive

And no warranty stickers need removing.

And I know because I have a PS3, and removed the hard drive, just to see what it was.

Edit: I've uploaded a picture, linked because it's a biggie.
PS3 Hard Drive part-removed
By the way, I forgot about the little screw.

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That being said the PS3 controller isn't very good. The Xbox is slightly better, yet doesn't look as slick. But the Wii has the best controller without a doubt, it is so comfortable and extremely fun.

Wii is superior!

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Why has the PS3 got an internal hard-drive? Surely it'd make more sense for Sony to have made it easy for users to remove the HDD without voiding the warranty

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I know this is a late response, but the PS3 hard drive is actually an absolute doddle to remove. Simply prise off the small cover on the left end (viewed from the front), flip the handle up, slide and remove! What's more, is a standard SATA laptop drive

And no warranty stickers need removing.

And I know because I have a PS3, and removed the hard drive, just to see what it was.

Edit: I've uploaded a picture, linked because it's a biggie.
PS3 Hard Drive part-removed
By the way, I forgot about the little screw.

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..yeah, 404

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I am a devoted Xbox boy

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I am a devoted Xbox boy

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..yeah, 404

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Both are good...
However PS3 is better as it is newer and has more functions and better graphics!

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as it is newer

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Both are good...
However PS3 is better as it is newer and has more functions and better graphics!

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The age of any product isn't a measurement for how good it is in the first place.

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PS3 is better as it is newer

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However PS3 is better as it is newer

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RE: Why is the xbox 360 called 'xbox 360'?

because you can turn 360 degrees and walk away from the 360.

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I loled, you fail math.

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However PS3 is better as it is newer

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Nah XBOX is better because it's newer than the PlayStation franchise.

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RE: Why is the xbox 360 called 'xbox 360'?

because you can turn 360 degrees and walk away from the 360.

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Xbox 360, you can't beat Xbox Live its too good

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As does the Wii.

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The Wii is just good fun

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The Wii is just good fun

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I've still got mine but I'm sick of all the Bowling games that keep coming out. But it guess its like Xbox 360 with driving and shooting games.

I got a wii and it's alright but it depends what game you're playing really. Some games can be fantastic but on the other hand some can be rubbish. IMO of course

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I've still got mine but I'm sick of all the Bowling games that keep coming out. But it guess its like Xbox 360 with driving and shooting games.

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I've still got mine but I'm sick of all the Bowling games that keep coming out. But it guess its like Xbox 360 with driving and shooting games.

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You can't say that Xbox 360 is only driving and shooting games. Yeah, they might be two of the most popular categories for game types (same for PS3?), but there's still loads of other types of games. I'm sure I don't need to name them for you.

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Maybe so but theres still a vast amount of Driving and Shooting games. A bigger percentage of Xbox games are Driving and Shoot tho you have to agree to that ?

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I've still got mine but I'm sick of all the Bowling games that keep coming out. But it guess its like Xbox 360 with driving and shooting games.

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You can't say that Xbox 360 is only driving and shooting games. Yeah, they might be two of the most popular categories for game types (same for PS3?), but there's still loads of other types of games. I'm sure I don't need to name them for you.

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Maybe so but theres still a vast amount of Driving and Shooting games. A bigger percentage of Xbox games are Driving and Shoot tho you have to agree to that ?

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As does the Wii.

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No
external HD means I have to keep deleting channels is its main flaw!!!!!!!

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I got <insert console here> and it's alright but it depends what game you're playing really. Some games can be fantastic but on the other hand some can be rubbish. IMO of course

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Xbox 360, you can't beat Xbox Live its too good

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Except Fable II.

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Except Fable II.

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And Fallout 3.
Oh, and Fracture...
... As well as these minor(!) game titles:
Gears of War 2;
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts;
Mirror's Edge;
Too Human;
and umm... I think that's it for 2008 alone.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Halo Wars.

So... What's the PS3's 'real games to look forward to' line-up?
MGS4 and LBP? Laff.

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RE: Why is the xbox 360 called 'xbox 360'?

because you can turn 360 degrees and walk away from the 360.

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Blu-Ray is the one reason I was also considering a PS3, but you can pick up a PC BluRay drive for around £80, and an el-cheapo 8600GT has GPU hardware decoding... so it's a much cheaper option.

I need a HDTV before Blu-ray (I play my 360 on PC monitor via HDMI cable)

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I need a HDTV before Blu-ray (I play my 360 on PC monitor via HDMI cable)

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I need a HDTV before Blu-ray (I play my 360 on PC monitor via HDMI cable)

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Same here. But then again, have you tried downloading a 1080 or even 720p trailer from the Quicktime website? Those things look sweet, even compared to DVDs.

Although I am running at 1440x900, and 720p on the 360..

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And Fallout 3.
Oh, and Fracture...
... As well as these minor(!) game titles:
Gears of War 2;
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts;
Mirror's Edge;
Too Human;
and umm... I think that's it for 2008 alone.

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Halo Wars? dunno its release date

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EDIT: Oh yeah, Halo Wars.

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You forgot 2 big titles resistance 2, and killzone 2.

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Playstation 3. It seems to be improving its library of games. The XBOX 360 won't have many good games in the future.

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Except Fable II.

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And Fallout 3.
Oh, and Fracture...
... As well as these minor(!) game titles:
Gears of War 2;
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts;
Mirror's Edge;
Too Human;
and umm... I think that's it for 2008 alone.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Halo Wars.

So... What's the PS3's 'real games to look forward to' line-up?
MGS4 and LBP? Laff.

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The 360 already has Bioshock dude.

FF13 is perhaps something worth it. But from that list, it's all I would buy.

Edit: At the other sources quip, buy yourself a 16gb flash drive. The 360 will play most AVI formats.

Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4 (Square-Enix), Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery (Square-Enix) announced for the 360.

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The new Banjo doesn't look great. Banjo on the N64 was much better.

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dit: At the other sources quip, buy yourself a 16gb flash drive. The 360 will play most AVI formats.

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What is Microsoft doing to poor old Rare!

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So, how's MGS4? Today's the big day isn't it?

I think Rare's games are more suited to a younger genre and that did well on Nintendo's system because of that. They don't really fit into the Xbox or PlayStation audience. Don't get me wrong it will sell, just not as well.

I don't think that's the problem, Rare's games have really had a drastic change. As a 10 year old I remember playing Golden Eye, Banjo Kazooie, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark etc. on the N64 and I know for a fact that even as an adult I would have enjoyed the games.
Unfortunately now most of the games are going too much into the children end of the audience spectrum (such as Viva Pinata, don't get me wrong it's a good game, just a bit too childish) and I think that is the problem, they're simply not capitalising on the young adult audience any more and ironically those are the ones which grew up with and want to (or would be willing to) play Rare's games.

I still think the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3 I don't know why I've never been a Sony fan lol.

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Could work - depends on the network. I seem to have problems streaming really large files. A 10GB movie certainly wouldn't work - but then my router does suck.

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Whoever said Resident Evil 5 for the PS3 is stupid, it's coming out for the 360 too.

Ninja Gaiden 2

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[Paying for online] ensures ongoing maintenance and high standards of the service and is hence beneficial to both the user and the company.
The only reason Sony is choosing to lose money on the PSN is because they're fighting a battle which they can't afford to lose, just don't expect your current standards to last.

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The PS3 update firmware update version 2.4 was recalled just hours after its release, after gamers reported that the installation crashed their consoles.

Users said the problem affected all models of the PS3 and caused glitches ranging from microphones not working to games "freezing" before they loaded.

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Technology website Kotaku said affected PS3 consoles may be fixed by reformatting the hard drive - a move which would erase the owner's data, including saved games and user profiles.

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I've never seen that with a 360 update iirc.

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[Paying for online] ensures ongoing maintenance and high standards of the service and is hence beneficial to both the user and the company.
The only reason Sony is choosing to lose money on the PSN is because they're fighting a battle which they can't afford to lose, just don't expect your current standards to last.

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I give to you Exhibit A:

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Originally posted by http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23962652-661,00.html
The PS3 update firmware update version 2.4 was recalled just hours after its release, after gamers reported that the installation crashed their consoles.

Users said the problem affected all models of the PS3 and caused glitches ranging from microphones not working to games "freezing" before they loaded.

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Technology website Kotaku said affected PS3 consoles may be fixed by reformatting the hard drive - a move which would erase the owner's data, including saved games and user profiles.

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Good to know it was thoroughly tested before mass distribution. Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for.

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Although Sony made a mess of the update, Steven has a point that the Ring of Death issue is much worse. My friend has gotten though 2 elites, which are meant to be immune to the problem. I think Microsoft are just refurbishing old units and releasing them as new again .

I've had mine for almost a year and never had a problem...

I've had mine for almost 2 years and never had a problem.

There's no denying that first generation consoles did have a high fail rate, but what people are failing to understand is that the fail rate of the later generations are much lower. Of course no one will ever remember that.

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I think Microsoft are just refurbishing old units and releasing them as new again

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I'm all for refurbished products, I just find it unethical selling them as new though, especially when they have known faults.

The ps3 is the better one out of the two of them, Beter graphics and games. Imo. The only bad part of it is you cant play the old ps2 or one games on the ps3 unless you have the expensive one. unlike the Xbox. I have and always will be a Sony fan.

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Beter ... games.

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[Paying for online] ensures ongoing maintenance and high standards of the service and is hence beneficial to both the user and the company.
The only reason Sony is choosing to lose money on the PSN is because they're fighting a battle which they can't afford to lose, just don't expect your current standards to last.

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I give to you Exhibit A:

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Originally posted by http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23962652-661,00.html
The PS3 update firmware update version 2.4 was recalled just hours after its release, after gamers reported that the installation crashed their consoles.

Users said the problem affected all models of the PS3 and caused glitches ranging from microphones not working to games "freezing" before they loaded.

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Technology website Kotaku said affected PS3 consoles may be fixed by reformatting the hard drive - a move which would erase the owner's data, including saved games and user profiles.

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Good to know it was thoroughly tested before mass distribution. Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for.

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Sony is replacing the ps3's for free, even without warranty. How long did it take for microsoft to awknowledge the problem of the red ring of death? You tell me.

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Beter ... games.

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Yes. All 2. Of them. Are awesome.

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The ps3 is the better one out of the two of them, Beter graphics and games. Imo. The only bad part of it is you cant play the old ps2 or one games on the ps3 unless you have the expensive one. unlike the Xbox. I have and always will be a Sony fan.

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That's what he's saying vax ...

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The only bad part of it is you cant play the old ps2 or one games on the ps3 unless you have the expensive one. unlike the Xbox.

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That's what he's saying vax ...

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The only bad part of it is you cant play the old ps2 or one games on the ps3 unless you have the expensive one. unlike the Xbox.

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He's saying that unlike the xbox you can't play the old games on the ps3

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The graphics aren't better.

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The graphics aren't better.

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The graphics are better. 360's graphics in most games remind me of PS2 while on the other hand, I am impressed of the realistic graphics PS3 offers. There are games in 360 with good graphics but PS3 certainly gives companies the ability to build better graphics.

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I have played both. I do not own one but my friends do. Well, I can't really prove this because it is my opinion and someone else might think in a different way so he thinks 360 has better graphics. Like you do. I do not have a problem with that. Having played in both consoles, I just say I think PS3 has better graphics, that is all.

This is not a matter of opinion. I'm also not saying the 360 graphics are better. I'm saying they're the same(essentially) with very little difference.

BUT the xbox has had alot of time to develop games - and for the developers to get to know how to get the best out of the console... The ps3 on the other hand has alot of time to develop - and will essentially become better (back me up here).

But atm there is very minor differences..

They'd already be there if it wasn't so hard to code for/utilize. It's been out publicly for nearly 2 years already =/

And even then, that's all about cpu, not gpu. The gpu's in both consoles have much the same power afaik(Infact the 360's might be slightly better iirc).

The xbox does have a slightly better GPU but the ps3 outstrips the xbox's processor.

Yes, but atm, that's like having 8GB of RAM but running vista 32bit.

Yeah... at the moment - but as soon as the coding devs for the games work out how to get round the ps3's (shitty) coding <insert whatever its called here> then we will be flying

Actually Nathan the system is only hard for developers because it is new, and developers are not familiar with it. Xbox had the advantage as it built on its old gaming engines, just like the Wii had with the Gamecube and the PS1 with the PS2. It will take time for developers to take advantage of it, just like we saw from catrige based systems to optical disk ones.

FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
Read 'em and weep

Shame the new dashboard sucks

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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
Read 'em and weep

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Shame the new dashboard sucks

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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
Read 'em and weep

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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
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Enjoy your multiple DVDs.

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That's what makes a Final Fantasy game though these days. 7 was one of the best, it came on 3 discs.

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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
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Enjoy your multiple DVDs.

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That's what makes a Final Fantasy game though these days. 7 was one of the best, it came on 3 discs.

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That point was that the PS3 will only have one disc.

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I loved Final Fantasy 7, although i never ever got around to completing the final disc, same with Final Fantasy 8, i always gave up or got bored I wish they released the series to the Xbox 360, along with Metal Gear Solid.

@Chrono: I'm not complaining about multiple discs, I don't even like FF. Multiple discs isn't what "makes a Final Fantasy game though these day". Why would 3 discs be better than 1?

Since the dashboard update allows you to copy game disks to your 360 hard drive, it's possible that you won't have to swap disks at all.

Yeah, that'll be cool. Well, if the 120GB HDD wasn't ridiculously expensive.

Rumour has it Square-Enix has something in store for PS3: possibilties include a remake of FF7.

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FFXIII: "Coming to XBOX 360"
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zomg, someone else played Lost Odyssey That was an awesome game!

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zomg, someone else played Lost Odyssey That was an awesome game!

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Rumour has it Square-Enix has something in store for PS3: possibilties include a remake of FF7.

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