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Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Sypher on 05-10-2008 at 11:54 AM

Looks like Microsoft doesn't want to have users sending Youtube links.
I tried it out with a few contacts, but both sending and receiving links from the famous video site is impossible.

Anyone else noticed this?


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by absorbation on 05-10-2008 at 01:11 PM

Now it's too far :P

http://www.msgstuff.com/news/post/441/


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by duck! on 05-10-2008 at 01:23 PM

pfft, dodgy Messenger team :dodgy:

You can use http://www.youtube.info though :tongue:


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by High Speed Chaser on 05-10-2008 at 01:52 PM

My previous post got moved to the T&T so I want to give my honest opinion now.

I think that Microsoft has gone power hungry. Only security threats should be blocked from spreading over the messenger network. If M$ think they can block you tube links then next links to be blocked will probably be yahoo! & google links who know where the will stop.

Maybe this is a mistake and if it is or isn't a mistake, Microsoft will hopefully rectify the situation.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Mike on 05-10-2008 at 02:03 PM

FYI, hi5 links also won't work (shame that myspace links still work :()


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Voldemort on 05-10-2008 at 02:07 PM

Erm, it worked perfectly fine yesterday here, ask Chris4


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by -dt- on 05-10-2008 at 02:11 PM

Current msn block list..

code:
\.pif
imp\.exe
bush-gracioso\.exe
album\.zip
photos\.zip
images\.zip
myalbum2007\.zip
img301\.zip
img1756\.zip
hoto234\.zip
pic\.zip
g038_jpg\.zip
secretimages56\.zip
love33\.zip
monica\.zip
img-0012\.zip
imag091307\.zip
pic1273\.zip
img-3773\.zip
img-6434\.zip
img-8197\.zip
img-0950\.zip
picts-7053\.zip
mypictures\.zip
image25\.zip
pics\.zip
foto\.exe
fantasma\.zip
impluse\.exe
downgrdr\.exe
photo656\.jpg
photo234\.zip
img021\.zip
tanyababe\.zip
stuff\.zip
fotos\.zip
tufoto
get-messenger
2nnvc7
blockinrio
messaging-names
pictura002
messenger-scan
summer2008
messengerdeletechecker
photoalbum2007
image029\.zip
foto_781\.zip
chirstmas-2007\.zip
photo2007-12\.zip
img5-2007\.zip
mypictures-0108\.zip
www\.ekastamonu\.info
www\.msn-friend\.com
www\.sontarih\.info
photos1-2008\.zip
happy2008\.exe
happy_2008\.exe
happy-2008\.exe
new_years_letter_flash\.exe
www\.msnliststatus\.com
www\.goldwindos2000\.com
www\.msnwebimages\.com
www\.mainmsn\.com
www\.burasiseninyerin\.info
mainmsn\.com
www\.emret\.info
www\.msnspy\.eu
mainmsn\.net
images\.idohost\.com
fmconsulting
msngallery\.ms\.funpic\.de
e-afyonkarahisar\.info
acisalavans\.info
acilastir\.info
amazonhalki\.info
ekars\.info
bireyci\.info
reuty\.info
portakallidavet\.info
amazondakayboldum\.info
dansadimi\.info
uysallik\.info
bezgi\.info
sulandirma
tunabaligi
yorungesel
tuhafkimse
acisalcap\.info
boyamagucu
tutuskanlik
acisalcap
msnprofiles\.ms\.funpic\.de
images\.getenjoyment\.net
mymsngallery
funpic\.de
image031\.zip
foto722a6
photo21\.zip
picture22\.zip
picturez923\.zip
photo_688-jpg\.zip
myphoto94\.zip
video\.exe
kuzen\.exe
mirc\.exe
backdoor:irc/flood\.cc
foto_027\.zip
foto708k6\.zip
msnblocklist\.com
msn-friend\.com
quienteadmite\.com
checkmessenger\.net
msnblockerlist\.com
msnliststatus\.com
friendly-offer\.com
sjegat\.pics\.skaq\.info
setup\.exe
hostileapplet
gsdagdfgasdgs2457452247\.exe
gsddas24587214gsd\.exe
foto-311_jpeg
image206\.jpg-www\.photoshare\[1]\.com
image206\.jpg

doesn't seem to be blocking youtube... though they could be server side blocking it :-/
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Quantum on 05-10-2008 at 02:49 PM

I was using it yesterday also, this really is no way to "get on at" google. :S


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Felu on 05-10-2008 at 03:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by duck!
pfft, dodgy Messenger team :dodgy:

You can use http://www.youtube.info though :tongue:
info domains were banned from WLM long ago...
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by duck! on 05-10-2008 at 03:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Felu
quote:
Originally posted by duck!
pfft, dodgy Messenger team :dodgy:

You can use http://www.youtube.info though :tongue:
info domains were banned from WLM long ago...
Works fine here :P
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Aardvark on 05-10-2008 at 04:12 PM

I can still use info domains 8-) If I coudn't, asking people to tell me their thoughts on my website would be a little bit useless :P And I tried a number of items in that blocked items list and they work fine for me...
Youtube is blocked though that's so stupid! It worked fine the other day...I wonder if they still work if sent via Windows Messenger or another messenger version.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Voldemort on 05-10-2008 at 04:19 PM

it still works here, so i'd guess its blocked on some servers only?


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by user35870 on 05-10-2008 at 04:30 PM

I contacted Windows Live support about the blocked site, they replied, here's a bit of the response:

quote:
Originally posted by Windows Live Support
Although the link you are trying to send might not really pose any security threat to you and your contact. Seems the system thinks it might be a threat therefore it is blocked. We value the messenger experience of our customers like you. We assure you that we will be looking into this concern. I will be forwarding this issue to our Subject Matter Experts so that it can be investigated and proper actions can be done.

Hopefully its resolved soon then.
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Nathan on 05-10-2008 at 07:49 PM

ITS FIXED!


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by user35870 on 05-10-2008 at 07:50 PM

Yeah, the block seems to have been lifted.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Chris4 on 05-11-2008 at 12:16 AM

Someone made a script for MP!L here but isn't needed now.

The only website it is still blocking is http://www.googlepages.com I think


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Jarrod on 05-11-2008 at 02:12 AM

i think then next step is not blocking but advertising or converting the link to a microsoft search:P


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Butcher_ss on 05-11-2008 at 05:43 AM

Links to the youtube site are working for me and also links to videos are working (i have the youtube launher script). I tried this by signing in through 2 different accounts and sent it from one account to the other. Neither were blocked.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by High Speed Chaser on 05-11-2008 at 05:50 AM

If you did that just now, it's because Microsoft rectified the situation.

I tried it yesterday and I got like what dwergs got on mess.be


source mess.be
[Image: attachment.php?pid=907281]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to repost that picture so, If I'm not supposed to PM me and I will remove it.
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by absorbation on 05-11-2008 at 11:17 AM

This just highlights the poor system used within Messenger. The filter system is a result of sloppy, rushed and poor programming. TB found that the system actually can cause Messenger to crash and slow down significantly.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by CookieRevised on 05-11-2008 at 05:29 PM

http://messengersays.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5B4...30829E!35340.entry

Say again "MS never listens"...


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by blessedguy on 05-11-2008 at 08:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Messenger says Spaces

As always, we're open to feedback on how to make Messenger an even greater service.  And again, our apologies to the users that were impacted by this.

Yeah... I know... (I think they haven't read any of our feedbacks these days) [remembergint that they also blocked deviantart.com :@ ]
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by CookieRevised on 05-11-2008 at 09:43 PM

oh for crying out loud......

Yeah, MS is one big evil company which never listens and always does what they want and always trying to screw their users.

:rolleyes:

How much more can you take things out of proportion..... If they respond to some goofup and fix it within 24 and even blog about it and sharing inside info, you even complain....

Instead of complaining, why not give that feedback (in a proper mature way) so they can improve their ways.

Help > Report abuse
Help > Feedback
Help > Improve customer experience (or whatever the translation is)
Official Newsgroups
Connect
Channel9
MessengerSays space
etc....



For some people MS will never ever do something good; makes me wonder why they are still using it... it is not like you are forced to use it either...

[\rant]


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by blessedguy on 05-11-2008 at 10:07 PM

Hey! microsoft also does (very) good things! Look at Windows XP; it is the best OS I've ever used (forgetting about viruses and that stuff), Messenger is nice (some lil problems, but better than all the others), WLM is awsome (the only one I like to use).

And, I do send them feedbacks, some things were improoved (yes!) others weren't (aww).

BUT, Microsoft is being really bad these days (can't find the word that would fit "not doing the right things, or the better things", so used bad), IE7 is pretty bugged and unsafe, Vista is nice but do things it shouldn't (like auto-updates when they shouldn't happen; yeah, that happens), and Office 07 (the best so far) is misformatting every office 2003 file it opens. So, yeah, theese days it seems Microsoft isn't being good.

@Yeah, MS is one big evil company which never listens and always does what they want and always trying to screw their users.: I don't thing they wan't to screw us... but they sure do. And sometimes no matter how long you tell them there is a problem, it doesn't get solved. I think I took things out of proportion when i said "I think they haven't ever read any of our feedbacks", so include "these days" in the end of that statement.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Mike on 05-12-2008 at 12:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
like auto-updates when they shouldn't happen
Both Windows Vista and Windows XP do that unless you tell them not to!
It's not only Vista.

Speaking from experience :(
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Nefzen on 05-12-2008 at 04:09 PM

huh? I haven't felt any problems with youtube links


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by blessedguy on 05-12-2008 at 05:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nefzen
huh? I haven't felt any problems with youtube links
maybe because they fixed it quickly
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by absorbation on 05-12-2008 at 05:15 PM

Why does a third party manage the blocks? It means they have made an escape goat.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by CookieRevised on 05-12-2008 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
Why does a third party manage the blocks? It means they have made an escape goat.
Why does Patchou let the managing of the script database up to Menthix? Why do companies partner up with others? Because those 3rd parties have the expertise, time, experience, sponsor contracts, etc... lots of good reasons... So, there is probably a good reason too why it is managed by a 3rd party (aka MS-partner), what that reason is I dunno...

But I don't see what "an escape goat" has todo with this (appart for yet another "bash-MS for no reason" reason).
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by Lou on 05-12-2008 at 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
Why does a third party manage the blocks? It means they have made an escape goat.
Why does Patchou let the managing of the script database up to Menthix? Why do companies partner up with others? Because those 3rd parties have the expertise, time, experience, sponsor contracts, etc... lots of good reasons... So, there is probably a good reason too why it is managed by a 3rd party (aka MS-partner), what that reason is I dunno...

But I don't see what "an escape goat" has todo with this (appart for yet another "bash-MS for no reason" reason).
This makes sense, though I find it rather odd that the (for now anonymous) third-party company blocks out these kinds of domains without firstly investigating. Surely someone there knows that websites like googlepages.com, ebuddy.com, mediafire.com, and youtube.com are perfectly safe to use. It looks rather odd that the things getting blocked are competitors (in certain ways) of Microsoft.

On another note, if they block out domains that are sent out too much, why is google not blocked? If they can avoid google's block, then they can avoid this kind of block as well.

On an offtopic note, perhaps the youtube links were being sent out too much because people were getting Rick Roll'd? :P
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by absorbation on 05-12-2008 at 07:01 PM

the andyman raised the point what control this third party company has over a conversations. Do they have a copy, do they have access to them? Can someone read what I say over Messenger?

The blocking system is awful, its ineffective and causes more annoyances than the actual viruses it is attempting to stop spreading.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by blessedguy on 05-12-2008 at 07:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
the andyman raised the point what control this third party company has over a conversations. Do they have a copy, do they have access to them? Can someone read what I say over Messenger?
I hope no!!!

(But I'm almost sure they can)
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by CookieRevised on 05-12-2008 at 07:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by .Lou
This makes sense, though I find it rather odd that the (for now anonymous) third-party company blocks out these kinds of domains without firstly investigating. Surely someone there knows that websites like googlepages.com, ebuddy.com, mediafire.com, and youtube.com are perfectly safe to use.
Dunno if it was "without investigation". But good point though. On the other hand, pages like googlepages.com could contain potential harmfull stuff. Then again, so can the entire internet....

As they say so themselfs, they block pages (or entire sites) based upon a lot of criteria. So, it might have been possible that there were viri spreading around which were located on some googlepages.com sites. And since legit links to googlepages weren't send/used that often in Messenger compared to the amount of malicious links being used, it might be logic in some way to block the entire range. Too bad for the few hundreds who used legit links to googlepages.com, compared to the thousands/millions who would otherwise would recieve viri... It's common sense... (if that is/was the case)...

If it is good practice to block domains or not, dunno. For both methods (blocking individual pages vs. blocking entire domains) something can be said. Is blocking needed at all? Personally I think it is, especially by default (but with an 'advanced' option to turn it off maybe). But this also means that they must walk on a very thin line as to what to block and what not.

But, I would be surprised if the only reason would be "competitors". That simply doesn't make much sense in a bussiness POV. Also because MS is getting very carefull when it comes down to competition and anti-trust, etc... especially in Europe (which has still the biggest market share for Messenger).

quote:
On another note, if they block out domains that are sent out too much, why is google not blocked? If they can avoid google's block, then they can avoid this kind of block as well.
This shows to me that this isn't about "competition", but all about security.

Like I said above, googlepages.com are websites from individuals which could contain malicious programs for people to download. Google.com is just a search engine and thus not as much a security threat...

As for why YouTube was blocked? Dunno, I don't see immediatly what that got todo with security either. But then again, so did Microsoft, and thus they fixed it....

Let us just hope that other (stupid) blocks will get lifted too. Maybe with the aid of enough people like you and me who report the blocks via the official feedback forms (which is the proper way to complain about them).... As that is what also happened with the YouTube issue (which quite frankly didn't even lasted 1 day, so what's the big problem actually? -all of a sudden MS is the big devil on lots of blogs because of this- ): instead of people kind of ignoring it (like with the other blocks) and only complaining about it once in a while on their own forums were MS doens't see the -not that many- complaints, they started to complain to the proper official channels, MS saw it, and fixed it.... and even blogged about it themselfs...
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by albert on 05-12-2008 at 11:11 PM

At the end of the day, you get what you paid for.


RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by CookieRevised on 05-12-2008 at 11:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
the andyman raised the point what control this third party company has over a conversations. Do they have a copy, do they have access to them? Can someone read what I say over Messenger?
No...

That MS-partner maintains the block list. Maintaining a list does not mean they can read conversations.

Even having access to the MS-servers (which nobody said they had; you can perfectly maintain a list without the need to have access to the actual servers), does not mean they can access what is being send. That would actually not make any sense either; why would they need access to the actual data being send?
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by RebelSean on 05-16-2008 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
the andyman raised the point what control this third party company has over a conversations. Do they have a copy, do they have access to them? Can someone read what I say over Messenger?
No...

That MS-partner maintains the block list. Maintaining a list does not mean they can read conversations.

Even having access to the MS-servers (which nobody said they had; you can perfectly maintain a list without the need to have access to the actual servers), does not mean they can access what is being send. That would actually not make any sense either; why would they need access to the actual data being send?

Actually the company who is managing the block list does indeed have access only to the links being sent via messages. They however have no access to anything else, such as who sent it, what time it was sent, etc etc etc.
RE: Microsoft blocks youtube links? by dbgarza on 07-03-2008 at 12:22 AM

Actually that blocking isn't really perfect, because a simple workaround for the blocked links to go through is simply separate the http: from the rest of the link with a space and the link will go through, you just simply tell your contact to copy and paste the link in the browser and remove the space.

for example this link:

http://www.mediafire.com/?fgyy5vmmt2d (not existent link don't click on it)

like that msn blocks it but if you type it like this:

http: //www.mediafire.com/?fgyy5vmmt2d the link will go through since it gets turned into a normal text as if you're just sending a message without any links on it.

True it makes your contact work a bit more since he or she has to copy and paste it on the browser and remove the space but is the only way for now to send some links that shouldn't have been blocked.