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suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-25-2008 at 04:09 PM

hi,
you surely recognized that i wrote suqquestion and not suggestion. this is not because i think it's stylish to write q instead of g or because i love Us but because i don't know whether this "feature" already exists. i know that stuffplug from "theblasphemer" had a feature like this. but i don't want to install stuffplug just for this feature. so i searched for a script. but when i enter "smiley" in the search text field no results are found

so: 1. is there an option/ feature/ plug-in/ script that disables the standard emotictons of msn? i mean that you write and it is not converted into the emoticon but just stay as a : and a ) and i don't want to disable smileys, i just want to type without sending a smiley...

2. i have a suggestion: make a script that disalbes them!

ok this would be really cool. thanks for answers!

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by foaly on 05-25-2008 at 04:22 PM

you can remove the check before: "show emoticons" in the options of messenger:

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-25-2008 at 06:28 PM

ok i edited my post, because it was not clear enough...

thanks, but i only want to send ascii-style smileys like ... but i want to use other smileys or even the msn smileys from time to time, for example:

(withouth space)

and msn results as the standard msn smiley...

is this understandable? thanks for answers.

RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by ahmetgns on 05-25-2008 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
ok i edited my post, because it was not clear enough...

thanks, but i only want to send ascii-style smileys like :) ... but i want to use other smileys or even the msn smileys from time to time, for example:

:) (withouth space)

and msn:) results as the standard msn :) smiley...

is this understandable? thanks for answers.

I think I couldn't catch exactly what you say, let me try my chance

.

You can also easily turn the emoticons on and off from conversation window's menu>Tools>Show emoticons. When you want to send the real emoticons (not the shortcuts) turn it on. I think it should be enough.

Also use /noicon command of Messenger Plus! Live. It simulates the "Show emoticons" option is turned off even if it is not in fact.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-25-2008 at 08:06 PM

well yea, thx, this helps, but... well how about an example:

i want to write:

"hi! how are you? [MSN]"

the first smiley shall be ascii. the second shall be the standard msn smiley.

so what i want is to delete the msn smileys completely, but add them again with another combination. for example MSN for the standard smiley. like custom emoticons.

the thing is, i don't like the msn emoticons, but want to use my custom emoticons. if i type /noicon i can't use my custom emoticons anymore...

thanks again!!

edit: you could also say: i want to disable/ delete the STANDARD MSN emoticonts, but NOT any other smileys. or redefine the shortcuts for the standard msn smileys.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by andrey on 05-25-2008 at 09:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by foaly
you can remove the check before: "show emoticons" in the options of messenger

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
You can also easily turn the emoticons on and off from conversation window's menu>Tools>Show emoticons. When you want to send the real emoticons (not the shortcuts) turn it on. I think it should be enough.

No, that doesn't work. This only disables the display of emoticons on your side, your contact will still see the emoticons if he has the "show emoticons" option enabled.

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
Also use /noicon command of Messenger Plus! Live. It simulates the "Show emoticons" option is turned off even if it is not in fact.

Not true at all. This command will only work if your contact has Messenger Plus! installed. What it does is put a special character in front of your message and when your contact receives it and he has Plus! installed, he will see ":)" instead of "

". If your contact doesn't have Messenger Plus!, he will see a special symbol followed by your message and will see the emoticons.

Using the /noicon command would 'hide' every emoticon (including custom emoticons) in the message, which is not what Unrealshade wants.

As far as I know, there is no plug-in/script/option which does exactly you want.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
i know that stuffplug from "theblasphemer" had a feature like this.

StuffPlug 3 doesn't have a feature to turn off the default MSN emoticons but it does have a feature to override the default emoticons with custom emoticons. It can only override the default emoticons with other custom emoticons, but it can't disable them (i.e. display the code instead of the image).

The only option I can think of at the moment to "disable" MSN's standard emoticons would involve installing StuffPlug 3:
You could use Photoshop/Paint to create custom emoticons consisting of the emoticon codes, i.e. gifs (with a transparent background) that look like :) and :( and all the other default emoticons.
Then you could use StuffPlug and set the default MSN emoticon codes to use those custom emoticons.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-29-2008 at 09:28 PM

thx, that was impressive

is it possible to create a script that disables the standard msn smileys? (and not replaces)

if not, can we somehow contact the msn developers?

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by ahmetgns on 05-30-2008 at 05:43 AM

Thank you andrey, you corrected many things that I am mistaken.

Unrealshade, as far as I test, even if you disable the standard emoticons at your side with any option/feature/script/plugin, your contacts will still see the default real emoticons instead of your disabled emoticon shortcuts like :) or custom emoticons assigned to that shortcut, like;

hi , how are you ?

I mean whenever you send the default emoticons' shortcuts, your contacts will always see the Messenger's default emoticons and will not know what you see in your own window so what will be the benefit of all these efforts These are wrong

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-30-2008 at 10:29 PM

what does that mean, these are wrong? is it possible then? and how do we contact the developers? there are more things i want to ask them for example why every picture is stretched to 19*19 if it is not gif and even the ones which are smaller than 19*19! ...

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by ahmetgns on 05-31-2008 at 05:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
what does that mean, these are wrong?

I wrote those sentences after testing at only one computer, then I tried it with a messenger friend and noticed that, what I wrote is wrong. So I stroke those sentences out because they are wrong. Don't even read them

http://support.live.com

http://help.live.com

http://feedback.live.com (also from Messenger menu>Help>Send feedback)

You choose among these.... Also I believe you may find many threads about that in this forum.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by zach on 05-31-2008 at 09:28 AM

I used (Ctrl+K). I can't see it in the conversation so :) = :), not

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by CookieRevised on 05-31-2008 at 10:07 AM

@Unrealshade
I must note that it is NOT possible to do what you want.

It is not possible no matter what additional plugin or tool you use.

The reason is very simple: What you want involves changing what your contact sees. This is not possible because you can't force your contact to use a certain program or option.

Your contact's Messenger will automatically change ":)" into an emoticon, you can't change that, only the contact can (by disabling smileys or using a tool/addon like Plus! or StuffPlug) because that is how Messenger by default works.

The only thing you can change is how the characters ":)" are seen in the conversation window on your computer.

So, you can disable the automatic changing into emoticons on your own computer, but you can not control if your contact sees the text characters or if he sees the graphical emoticons.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by vikke on 05-31-2008 at 12:19 PM

CookieRevised: This is not the case. Stuffplug 3 has a feature which allows the user to create custom-smileys using the default-smileys hot-keys. So you can replace with a custom smiley (by using the same hotkey) and get it to show on your contacts computer.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by aNILEator on 05-31-2008 at 12:23 PM

On the subject of smileys, I wish Plus! could have a per-contact block on custom smilies, enabled by default for new contacts with a timer or something

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 05-31-2008 at 06:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
what does that mean, these are wrong?
I wrote those sentences after testing at only one computer, then I tried it with a messenger friend and noticed that, what I wrote is wrong. So I stroke those sentences out because they are wrong. Don't even read them

thx again for answering dude

but if these facts you stroked are not right, isn't it possible then to create a plugin/ script that disables the smileys? well i don't think so and i thought these facts were right and CookieRevised also says that it's not possible with familiar reasons to yours, but you stroked them... so does that mean it's not right?

quote:
Originally posted by zach
I used (Ctrl+K). I can't see it in the conversation so :) = :), not

i totally LOVE you man! this is so ingenious

wohoo! it woorks

all my friends are going to kneel down before me! xD no really, that's a good idea!

quote:
Originally posted by vikke
CookieRevised: This is not the case. Stuffplug 3 has a feature which allows the user to create custom-smileys using the default-smileys hot-keys. So you can replace with a custom smiley (by using the same hotkey) and get it to show on your contacts computer.

at first, thanks CookieRevised. this was what i was afraid of all the time ^^ and now to vikke, i don't think it was actually wrong what CookieRevised said; he said that your contact's messenger will replace :) with

and not that it is impossible to replace :) with another emoticon, which is the only thing that stuffplug can do.

quote:
Originally posted by aNILEator
On the subject of smileys, I wish Plus! could have a per-contact block on custom smilies, enabled by default for new contacts with a timer or something

yeah that's also a very good idea!!!! i wish that too

or maybe that the keys are shown until the smileys was loaded...
and also that standard smileys can be switched off (for plus! users only of course ^^ )

so... really cool what you wrote

i love you all, this forum rocks ^^ best wishes for everyone!

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by CookieRevised on 06-01-2008 at 12:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by vikke
CookieRevised: This is not the case. Stuffplug 3 has a feature which allows the user to create custom-smileys using the default-smileys hot-keys. So you can replace with a custom smiley (by using the same hotkey) and get it to show on your contacts computer.

I think you misunderstood it a bit. The question here is not to replace the default emoticons with your own custom ones (aka skinning the default emoticons), like StuffPlug can do.

He wants to control what the contact sees, thus sometimes ":)" and sometimes "

quote:
asked:

"hi! :) how are you? "

This is not possible, with any tool, since you can not control what your contact sees. What your contacts sees depends only on what that contact has enabled in his settings (Tools > Options > Messages > Show emoticons).

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quote:
Originally posted by zach
I used (Ctrl+K). I can't see it in the conversation so :) = :), not

Not exactly though...
:) = :)
That character code is still there. It is just that Plus! will try to interpret that character as a color code prefix. This means that it will only work if the contact has also Plus! installed and running, and that you con't use other colors in your text.

Contacts without Plus! will still see:
"Hello :)"

And using that shortcut CTRL+K will only work if you have enabled the use of the old IRC-style shortcuts in Plus!.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by aNILEator on 06-01-2008 at 12:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
not to replace the default emoticons with your own custom ones (aka skinning the default emoticons)...

offtopic but skinning would only replace your end, stuffplug's method is different than skinning

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by CookieRevised on 06-01-2008 at 12:32 AM

skinning can both mean 'your end only' and 'your end and contact's end'.
(hmmm, this sounds a bit strange )

skinning = changing the look of something... it doesn't automatically mean you would be the only one to see that new look.

RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 06-01-2008 at 02:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
He wants to control what the contact sees, thus sometimes ":)" and sometimes "".
quote:
asked:

"hi! :) how are you? "
This is not possible, with any tool, since you can not control what your contact sees. What your contacts sees depends only on what that contact has enabled in his settings (Tools > Options > Messages > Show emoticons).

errr no, sorry this was maybe a bit confusing... i just wanted to say that i want to do to the ascii :) smiley. i added the other msn standard smiley-emoticon to the question so that it is clear that i dont mean the standard smiley. and i thought it might be possible to change the combination for the

smiley from ":)" to "MSN:)" or something like that. but i'm afraid that doesn't change the topic and it's still not possible to do this... is it?

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

quote:
Originally posted by zach
I used (Ctrl+K). I can't see it in the conversation so :) = :), not
Not exactly though...
:) = :)
That character code is still there. It is just that Plus! will try to interpret that character as a color code prefix. This means that it will only work if the contact has also Plus! installed and running, and that you con't use other colors in your text.

Contacts without Plus! will still see:
"Hello :)"

i don't agree, i think ctrl+k is not a plus! specific shortcut but a windows shortcut for a special sign (from another language i think) that doesn't show up if you sent the msg... i got some points on this:
1. the plus! feature changes the msn standard emoticon smileys "back" to the ascii smileys. but it does not really change them back. it just changes them. for example :> is changed by msn to

and then changed by plus! from

to :D but NOT to :> which it was before. but if i use ctrl+k i don't have problems like this, :[ctrl+k]> shows up as :>.
2. it also works with trillian (a chatprogramm which i use for icq). if you use ctrl+k the smiley stays as if you used . instead of ctrl+k just that you don't see ctrl+k-sign but you would see . as :.)
so the reason why the ascii smiley is not replaced with the emoticon is that you do not enter the required combination, but enter also another sign that just does not seem to show up. so this should work everywhere shouldn't it, as long as ctrl+k doesn't show up?

and btw how do you write the ctrl+k sign [] ? i copy and pasted it from you when i was quotion but it doesn't seem to work anymore lol this is confusing...

RE: RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by CookieRevised on 06-01-2008 at 09:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
He wants to control what the contact sees, thus sometimes ":)" and sometimes "".
quote:
asked:

"hi! :) how are you? "
This is not possible, with any tool, since you can not control what your contact sees. What your contacts sees depends only on what that contact has enabled in his settings (Tools > Options > Messages > Show emoticons).
errr no, sorry this was maybe a bit confusing... i just wanted to say that i want to do to the ascii :) smiley. i added the other msn standard smiley-emoticon to the question so that it is clear that i dont mean the standard smiley. and i thought it might be possible to change the combination for the smiley from ":)" to "MSN:)" or something like that. but i'm afraid that doesn't change the topic and it's still not possible to do this... is it?

You can add a custom emoticon which looks the same as the standard smiley

, so it is possible to make your own shortcut for "

". But you can not prevent that your contact's Messenger will also automatically replace the text ":)" to "

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

quote:
Originally posted by zach
I used (Ctrl+K). I can't see it in the conversation so :) = :), not
Not exactly though...
:) = :)
That character code is still there. It is just that Plus! will try to interpret that character as a color code prefix. This means that it will only work if the contact has also Plus! installed and running, and that you con't use other colors in your text.

Contacts without Plus! will still see:
"Hello :)"
i don't agree, i think ctrl+k is not a plus! specific shortcut but a windows shortcut for a special sign (from another language i think) that doesn't show up if you sent the msg... i got some points on this:

This isn't a matter of opinions, these are facts, how things work... And it has nothing todo with languages, nor programming languages.

CTRL+K is shortcut specific to Plus!. It is not a default Windows shortcut at all.

And because it is specific to Plus!, it is Plus! itself (not Windows, not Messenger, but Plus! itself) which reconizes this character and which will try to interpret it. And with doing so, it will hide that character from your own text which you see in the conversation; it will not remove the character from the text which is send to your contacts!

If your contact does not have Plus!, and thus does not have a program which reconizes this character and which can hide it, your contact will see it.

It will not work in other programs in Windows.

CTRL+K in Plus! is part of some so called "IRC style" shortcuts to format text. It is used for entering a color code so you can color your text. It is based upon the shortcut you can use in mIRC to color your text, but that is where any similarity stops. Again, it is by no means a global or default shortcut.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade

1. the plus! feature changes the msn standard emoticon smileys "back" to the ascii smileys. but it does not really change them back. it just changes them. for example :> is changed by msn to and then changed by plus! from to :D but NOT to :> which it was before. but if i use ctrl+k i don't have problems like this, :[ctrl+k]> shows up as :>.

No, that is totally not how it works...

If you use the Plus! command /noicon the only thing which happens is that Plus! adds another ascii code to your text (a different one than when you press CTRL+K). That is all.

It is this ascii code, which is again a lower ascii code, which tells Plus! to interpret the text in such a way that it prevents Messenger to change the emoticon codes to graphics. It does not change the text, nor does Plus! change :> to :D or whatever.

The changing from :> to :D is done by Messenger itself when you have enabled "Show Emoticons". This hasn't got anything todo with Plus!, nor with this subject, it is something totally unrelated.

So if your contact has also Plus! installed, his Plus! will do the same thing and both of you will just see the text as text. If your contact does not have Plus! installed, there is nothing which could interpret that special lower ascii code and the contact will simply see the character representing that special ascii code, the text, and his Messenger will change all the emoticon codes to graphics if he had enabled "Show emoticons".

Again, the CTRL+K shortcut (in case you have enabled "IRC style" shortcuts) produces another ascii code which tells Plus! that a color code will follow. This is again interpreted by Plus! only, and it tells it to color the following remaining characters in a specific color. When Plus! does this it hides this ascii code (which was produced when you typed CTRL+K). But again, if your contact does not have Plus! installed, he will simply see the character representing this extra ascii code and without any colorization.

The misusing of CTRL+K for this purpose is just that, a misuse, which will not work when your contact has just Messenger.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade

2. it also works with trillian (a chatprogramm which i use for icq). if you use ctrl+k the smiley stays as if you used . instead of ctrl+k just that you don't see ctrl+k-sign but you would see . as :.)
so the reason why the ascii smiley is not replaced with the emoticon is that you do not enter the required combination, but enter also another sign that just does not seem to show up. so this should work everywhere shouldn't it, as long as ctrl+k doesn't show up?

No....

Either Trillian uses the same shortcut for the same colorization purpose and to be compatible with mIRC and Plus!, or either it simply can't show ascii codes lower than 32 (0x20; which is a space). In both cases it will 'hide' the character. In the first case because it interprets this 'code', in the second case because it can not display the character for that ascii code. So, this has again nothing todo with CTRL+K being a global default shortcut, it is absolutely not.

quote:
and btw how do you write the ctrl+k sign [] ? i copy and pasted it from you when i was quotion but it doesn't seem to work anymore lol this is confusing...

That character is a lower ascii code, they can behave in a very different way than normal ascii codes. For example the ascii code for a linefeed or new line is 0x0A or 0x0D. If you want to copy/paste it, it simply shows a new line. So, not all characters can be simply copied/pasted just like that and not all characters have a character representing the ascii code. It also depends on the font you're using*. Google 'ASCII table'...

*which is also a factor in this CTRL+K story. If your contact uses a different font which has a different font face and he doesn't have Plus!, he might not see a square but maybe a big dot or whatever the font has as character face for that specific ascii code.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by ahmetgns on 06-01-2008 at 02:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
thx again for answering dude but if these facts you stroked are not right, isn't it possible then to create a plugin/ script that disables the smileys? well i don't think so and i thought these facts were right and CookieRevised also says that it's not possible with familiar reasons to yours, but you stroked them... so does that mean it's not right?

I firstly thought that, even if you add a custom emoticon with Messenger's default shortcuts thanks to StuffPlug, your contacts cannot see your custom emoticon but again Messenger's default emoticon assigned to that shortcut because they receive the shortcut from you and their Messenger program reverts it to its default emoticon. However now I noticed that, if you send a custom emoticon with one of the default emoticons' shortcut (after creating that custom emoticon with a default shortcut thanks to StuffPlug), then your contacts will see your custom one, which means the emoticon in your computer is transferred to your contacts, not only that emoticon's shortcut.

CookieRevised says that, if you don't create a custom emoticon with the default shortcuts thanks to StuffPlug, then your contacts will always see an emoticon when you send for instance :D to them (provided that they haven't disabled emoticons). But if you create a custom emoticon with a default shortcut, then your contacts' will see that custom one (again provided that they haven't disabled emoticons)

RE: RE: RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 06-01-2008 at 11:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
thx again for answering dude but if these facts you stroked are not right, isn't it possible then to create a plugin/ script that disables the smileys? well i don't think so and i thought these facts were right and CookieRevised also says that it's not possible with familiar reasons to yours, but you stroked them... so does that mean it's not right?
I firstly thought that, even if you add a custom emoticon with Messenger's default shortcuts thanks to StuffPlug, your contacts cannot see your custom emoticon but again Messenger's default emoticon assigned to that shortcut because they receive the shortcut from you and their Messenger program reverts it to its default emoticon. However now I noticed that, if you send a custom emoticon with one of the default emoticons' shortcut (after creating that custom emoticon with a default shortcut thanks to StuffPlug), then your contacts will see your custom one, which means the emoticon in your computer is transferred to your contacts, not only that emoticon's shortcut.

CookieRevised says that, if you don't create a custom emoticon with the default shortcuts thanks to StuffPlug, then your contacts will always see an emoticon when you send for instance :D to them (provided that they haven't disabled emoticons). But if you create a custom emoticon with a default shortcut, then your contacts' will see that custom one (again provided that they haven't disabled emoticons)

ok this was what you meant... well unfortunately that doesn't help me with my smiley problem ^^

well thanks CookieRevised

of course ctrl+k is not a windows shortcut, because ctrl shortcuts are always programm specific, or am i mistaken again?
funny that ctrl+k worked for trillian ^^
but is there another ascii sign that does not show up (for whatsoever reasons) so i can use it for contacts without plus?

another way to create the :) smiley is to use a sign that looks like : but is not. a friend did this but i don't like this solution very much although it's a pretty cool idea... and of course you can do some smileys like (: but that doesnt work for

of course ^^ D: hehehehe ^^ and to use just a space : ) but that's not the same as :) of course...

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by zach on 06-02-2008 at 01:15 AM

@CookieRevised: Ok, I only tested it with Bitlbee and the character didn't appear. In WLM without Plus! it did appear though.

Why do you need to do this? So much effort for something so little =( ... ¦-)

Alt+8776 works in WLM but not on these forums.

RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 06-02-2008 at 12:56 PM

because i love the ascii smileys :) :D :P ;)
and i'm really happy to have your help! thanks dudes!

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by CookieRevised on 06-04-2008 at 01:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by zach
@CookieRevised: Ok, I only tested it with Bitlbee and the character didn't appear. In WLM without Plus! it did appear though.

just like every other character which has a glyph in the user's current font will show up in Messenger.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
well thanks CookieRevised of course ctrl+k is not a windows shortcut, because ctrl shortcuts are always programm specific, or am i mistaken again?

nope, you're correct. Just like most shortcuts are program-specific.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
funny that ctrl+k worked for trillian ^^

Some programs do share the same shortcuts. But those shortcuts aren't always for the same purpose.

However, it is indeed possible that Trillian (and maybe some other IM-clients) use it to be compatible with Plus!. Or rather, and that would be more probable, be compatible with mIRC, a well known IRC-chat client, because that is what the Plus!-shortcuts are meant to simulate: the formatting of text how it is done in mIRC.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
but is there another ascii sign that does not show up (for whatsoever reasons) so i can use it for contacts without plus?

No. All Plus!-shortcuts will produce an ascii character that will show up if your contact doesn't have the Plus! addon or isn't using a client that happens to support IRC-style ascii codes for formatting text.

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
another way to create the :) smiley is to use a sign that looks like : but is not. a friend did this but i don't like this solution very much although it's a pretty cool idea... and of course you can do some smileys like (: but that doesnt work for of course ^^ D: hehehehe ^^ and to use just a space : ) but that's not the same as :) of course...

You could also use horizontal smileys (they have a specific name, but I can't remember it), such smileys are often used in Asian countries. eg:
^_^

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: suqquestion: disable standard smiley by Unrealshade on 06-06-2008 at 02:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

quote:
Originally posted by Unrealshade
but is there another ascii sign that does not show up (for whatsoever reasons) so i can use it for contacts without plus?
No. All Plus!-shortcuts will produce an ascii character that will show up if your contact doesn't have the Plus! addon or isn't using a client that happens to support IRC-style ascii codes for formatting text.

at first: thanks again CookieRevised!

but i don't mean plus!-shortcuts. i mean ascii signs that do not get deletet by plus! but by messenger or because ... well some other reason

because the font you use does not include this sign... or will it show up as a rectangluar then?

i found this sign: ; (unicode u+037E)
it looks like a semicolon but it's not - it's called "greek question mark" (in german at least, this is what window's character map says...) you can read about it in wikipedia if you are interested, you then get forwarded to the semicolon page, but there is also a section about the "greek question mark"
oh well as you can see it doesn't work here in the forum... but it works for msn... but i haven't tested it for msn withouth plus!...
i tested for trillian though, it does not work there...

i also found
׃
(unicode u+05c3) which is a hebrew sign. i found this too in window's characpter map. but this sign may cause some trouble for hebrew is written and read from right to left...

hm. i'm still searching for better solutions. any suggestion is very welcome!