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Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by MeEtc on 05-29-2008 at 06:14 PM
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=...-bf4f-47f6fc96ce5e
quote:
Copyright deal could toughen rules governing info on iPods, computers
OTTAWA - The federal government is secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws which could make the information on Canadian iPods, laptop computers or other personal electronic devices illegal and greatly increase the difficulty of travelling with such devices.
The deal could also impose strict regulations on Internet service providers, forcing those companies to hand over customer information without a court order.
Its a pretty long article, but to summarize, boarder guards will have the ability to search digital devices for copyrighted materials if the proposed law as described is passed.
I, for one doubt this will ever happen, sounds like utter bullshit to me.
Anyways, discuss and share opinion
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by vaccination on 05-29-2008 at 06:17 PM
gutted.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Jhrono on 05-29-2008 at 06:20 PM
I am going to the US for one month this summer, by myself, and I have already thought about this lol!
Maybe this is why I've bought a lot of CDs recently.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Val on 05-29-2008 at 06:40 PM
How do they prove you pirated your music or not? For all they know, you could have ripped it yourself from a CD. Just because it doesn't have a DRM doesn't mean it's pirated.
Even if the law went through I wouldn't be worried. There is no way they can prove I have illegally downloaded media on my electronics.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Nathan on 05-29-2008 at 06:42 PM
quote:Apart from checking your ISP logs...
Originally posted by Val
How do they prove you pirated your music or not? For all they know, you could have ripped it yourself from a CD. Just because it doesn't have a DRM doesn't mean it's pirated.
Even if the law went through I wouldn't be worried. There is no way they can prove I have illegally downloaded media on my electronics.
RE: RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Val on 05-29-2008 at 06:46 PM
quote:So they will hold up a whole plane just for that? Bullshit. Besides, what happens when you have all your network traffic tunnelled and encrypted? Are they going to arrest you/stop you from flying because you are doing that? Of course not.
Originally posted by Nathan
quote:Apart from checking your ISP logs...
Originally posted by Val
How do they prove you pirated your music or not? For all they know, you could have ripped it yourself from a CD. Just because it doesn't have a DRM doesn't mean it's pirated.
Even if the law went through I wouldn't be worried. There is no way they can prove I have illegally downloaded media on my electronics.
I am sure that if this bill gets passed none of the security checks will actually search you, waste of time.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Nathan on 05-29-2008 at 06:47 PM
True, true. But why would they search EVERYONE's ipods and laptops etc.. it's just not practical, think of the time it would take.
Sorry it's not going to happen.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by MeEtc on 05-29-2008 at 08:01 PM
Yes, this the wole problem of this proposed law. It will be up to the border guards at the airport to determine what's legal or not, and it is their discression whether or not they allow you to pass with the electronic goods.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Nagamasa on 05-29-2008 at 10:07 PM
lol what happened to the privacy protection people......I mean people complain about that Presto card we were supposed to get that it invades your privacy...and this is probably gonna blow them up...allowing the right for people to see what porn sites they've been on or what music they listen to or what people they talk to on MSN......
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Quantum on 05-29-2008 at 10:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nagamasa
lol what happened to the privacy protection people......I mean people complain about that Presto card we were supposed to get that it invades your privacy...and this is probably gonna blow them up...allowing the right for people to see what porn sites they've been on or what music they listen to or what people they talk to on MSN......
Exactly.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Kenji on 05-29-2008 at 10:24 PM
lol, canada
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by prashker on 05-29-2008 at 10:44 PM
I'm planning on going on a 14hour roundtrip plane ride (first plane ride 
) next month.
I'm still going to bring my TV shows like House, heroes etc....for my mom 
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Spunky on 05-29-2008 at 10:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Val
There is no way they can prove I have illegally downloaded media on my electronics.
Most of the time, it's up to you to prove you did it legally, not the other way around... Theres no such thing as innocent until proven guilty anymore
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Lou on 05-29-2008 at 11:14 PM
Yeah, and all the border guards don't have enough trouble searching people. Does anybody truly believe they have time for this kind of crap?
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by ipab on 05-30-2008 at 01:57 AM
I am acutally pretty upset about this new deal 
, civil liberties and all. The fact that annoys me the most is that a third party watchdog site had to leak the details about this plan. Otherwise, us as residents, would never have known about it. It just scares me as to how secretive this all is.
Our nation prides itself on being different from other countries in that we do not perform these sort of over the top antics, but I guess that is no longer true.
Finally, I live in British Columbia, about 2 hours from the border. Two weekends ago, we celebrated Victoria Day, and it was a long weekend. My family decided that we were going to spend the saturday at Kirkland Lake and we set off from our house at 6:15 AM on the dot. We got to the border around 8:30 AM and it took us till 1:30 PM to get over to the other side and thankfully that's without us being "randomly" screened. Coming back from the US on the other hand was a breeze, next to no line up and the agents were very friendly. If they started searching every person, I can only imagine that crossing the border is no longer an acceptable option. Think of all the shops and services that rely on tourists on either side of the border who will be so negatively affected by this momentum.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Voldemort on 05-30-2008 at 02:24 AM
Mexico wins.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by ipab on 05-30-2008 at 02:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Voldemort
Mexico wins.
Not really...
quote:
Originally posted by Wikileaks.org
Other countries invited to participate in ACTA’s negotiation process are Canada, Australia, Korea, Mexico and New Zealand.
Take a look for yourself.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Proposed_US_ACTA_multi-...e_agreement_(2007)
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Voldemort on 05-30-2008 at 02:31 AM
Mexico still wins.
There is a difference between a proposed act, which they where INVITED TO, and even then, the law can be created but never actually enforced.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by ipab on 05-30-2008 at 02:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Voldemort
Mexico still wins.
There is a difference between a proposed act, which they where INVITED TO, and even then, the law can be created but never actually enforced.
You need to understand that when people sign treaties, they are enforced or strict penalties ensue. Take the NAFTA for example, do you think that it's just a baseless agreement and isn't enforced?
You need to realize that everyone who is at that summit is potentially affected by this, even you living in Mexico, because your country might be signing said agreement.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Voldemort on 05-30-2008 at 02:49 AM
the key word is potentially: it has the potential to be a pain in the ass but I can bet 100 dollars that it isn't going to be enforced in less than... say... 5-7 years.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by ipab on 05-30-2008 at 02:50 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Voldemort
the key word is potentially: it has the potential to be a pain in the ass but I can bet 100 dollars that it isn't going to be enforced in less than... say... 5-7 years.
So, by that same logic, I can say that "Everyone Wins!"... -_-
p.s. I don't intend to flame, I'm just expressing my view, sorry if I come off a bit strong, I do realize that you are expressing yours too, no harm in that
.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by MeEtc on 05-30-2008 at 02:50 AM
quote:Exactly. Obviously you didn't read the whole article Voldemort, esp. page 3 (its short)
Originally posted by ipab
You need to understand that when people sign treaties, they are enforced or strict penalties ensue. Take the NAFTA for example, do you think that it's just a baseless agreement and isn't enforced?
You probably don't know about this issue either, but The US has also claimed that Canada has defied another treaty on softwood lumber, and the US put an embargo or something on all Canadian lumber products.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by ipab on 05-30-2008 at 02:53 AM
The thing with treaties is that, atleast in Canada, they do not require Parlimentary approval, that's what makes this situation dire.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Voldemort on 05-30-2008 at 03:07 AM
ipab, i'm not saying that it won't be accepted here, i'm saying that it won't be applied simply because it would require a nice sum of money to be applied, and there are way more important matters than arresting people for the contents of their devices.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by CookieRevised on 05-31-2008 at 07:26 AM
quote:fyi, and to the others who think something like this is BS....
Originally posted by MeEtc
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=ae997868-220b-4dae-bf4f-47f6fc96ce5e
Its a pretty long article, but to summarize, boarder guards will have the ability to search digital devices for copyrighted materials if the proposed law as described is passed.
I, for one doubt this will ever happen, sounds like utter bullshit to me.
Anyways, discuss and share opinion
People who travel to the USA and who bring their laptop, or other electronic devices which can hold information (eg: photo cameras, cell phones, mp3 players, etc) can have their devices searched for any 'illegal' or 'terrorist' information.
This fact is not widely known by travelers, but USA boarder customs already do have that right and do have the right to temporary keep your devices for further study without search warrants or probable cause! And there are even already douzens of cases where people did not have their device returned.
And although there is some outcry against it, and eventhough they have had some lawsuits against this practice, the TSA and customs officials have never been convicted because of this.
And yep, Val, if they think you're a treat to national security or they have the slightest reason to believe you are holding back info or are carrying illegal info, they can stop you from traveling and/or arrest you. They are not going to uphold a plane, they simply stop you from boarding it, simple as that.
This is already so since a few years.
quote:Since when is that a reason for not passing a law like this?
Originally posted by Nathan
But why would they search EVERYONE's ipods and laptops etc.. it's just not practical, think of the time it would take.
Sorry it's not going to happen.
It is not because they can't practically search everyone's device, that they wont search some devices and that there is a big possebility that they will search YOUR device.
quote:erm, I bet there is nothing secret about it at all. The thing is you probably don't read the proper channels.
Originally posted by ipab
The fact that annoys me the most is that a third party watchdog site had to leak the details about this plan. Otherwise, us as residents, would never have known about it. It just scares me as to how secretive this all is.
Of course I don't know how it exactly works in Canada, but I would assume it is pretty much the same in each country. For example, if we don't read our national State Magazine (free translation from "Belgisch Staatsblad" because I wouldn't know how to translate it otherwise
) we only would know about new laws and bills when they are covered on the news. The National State Magazine includes all the new, changed laws and other goverment stuff people should know.Of course, there is no person here who reads that boring crap (except for lawyers and stuff), so the 'only' way we have to know about new laws or laws which are worked upon, or whatever is to watch the news or maybe some special dedicated watchdogs (who have their info from that state magazine or who have reporters who watch such stuff), etc.
The point is there is probably absolutely nothing "secret" about it at all. Laws and bills are always published in one way or the other, otherwise what is the point of them?
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Nagamasa on 05-31-2008 at 09:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
This seems to not only pertain to Canada.
RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Voldemort on 05-31-2008 at 09:39 PM
quote:That's true, and all. The USA border's custom can check your car, and if they find pirtated DVDs, they give you a HUGE fine (around 9,000 per DVD, it was on the news), and you lose your visa...
Originally posted by CookieRevised
fyi, and to the others who think something like this is BS....
People who travel to the USA and who bring their laptop, or other electronic devices which can hold information (eg: photo cameras, cell phones, mp3 players, etc) can have their devices searched for any 'illegal' or 'terrorist' information.
This fact is not widely known by travelers, but USA boarder customs already do have that right and do have the right to temporary keep your devices for further study without search warrants or probable cause! And there are even already douzens of cases where people did not have their device returned.
And although there is some outcry against it, and eventhough they have had some lawsuits against this practice, the TSA and customs officials have never been convicted because of this.
And yep, Val, if they think you're a treat to national security or they have the slightest reason to believe you are holding back info or are carrying illegal info, they can stop you from traveling and/or arrest you. They are not going to uphold a plane, they simply stop you from boarding it, simple as that.
This is already so since a few years.
RE: RE: Think twice about bringing your iPod next time you're travelling by Volv on 06-01-2008 at 03:21 AM
quote:14 hour plane trips are not as awesome as you may think...
Originally posted by SonicSam
I'm planning on going on a 14hour roundtrip plane ride (first plane ride