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Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 06:45 PM
As I don't doubt many of you noticed, there were three statuses removed from Windows Live Messenger 9.0, namely "Be Right Back", "On The Phone" and "Out to Lunch". The only remaining statuses are "Available", "Away", "Busy" and "Appear offline". You can no longer set yourself to one of the old statuses, and anybody having one such deprecated status, will be shown as "Away". This is, in my opinion, a program lying to you and it could cause misinterpretations and such things - and either way, I like these three, and I'm not the only one.
I created a petition[1] and a friend of mine posted on a forum read by MS developers, but I seriously doubt that will have any effect. I saw some people come by and sign the petition, and that's only a fraction of the people who want these statuses back.
Is it possible for Plus! to re-add those statuses? It would be best if support for these statuses could be readded so that my status according to the server *is* actually "Be right back", for example, and other (read third-party) clients would show as be right back too. Though, I've looked into the protocol a while ago for writing a client, and I seriously doubt it's possible for plugins to send protocol messages the client itself does not even understand anymore.
So if that's not possible, there's the alternative: is it possible for Messenger Plus! to do some kind of status emulation? E.g. when I set my status to brb, I show to clients without Plus (possibly including third-party clients) as "Away", and to clients with Plus support as "Be right back".
I hope this is possible... Thanks anyway, and don't forget to sign the petition if you agree!
[1] http://www.petitiononline.com/wlm9stat/petition.html
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 06:49 PM
plus! has custom status...
(but why are those status so important? If you're on the fone, being right back or out to lunch, you're away =X)
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 07:25 PM
quote:Yeah, but that only shows correctly when other people have Plus support too...
Originally posted by blessedguy
plus! has custom status...
quote:First of all, yeah, there are a lot of people ignoring statuses whatsoever. And second of all, I agree, those statuses come down to away. However "brb" for one means you are away, but only for a short period of time. I know people with a serious distinction between the two. Many people also use the lunch break status to indicate what they're away for, so everybody has a guess as to when they will return.
Originally posted by blessedguy
(but why are those status so important? If you're on the fone, being right back or out to lunch, you're away =X)
These statuses may seem useless to some people, but still many people use them, and I *know* I'm not the only one disappointed they are gone, and who wants them back.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by Tardz on 01-13-2009 at 07:32 PM
I think it will be possible to get them back with a bit resource hacking, but i'm not sure.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 07:39 PM
They're useless...
If you REALLY want to differ them, add in your personal message: **Be Right back!**
RE: RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by djdannyp on 01-13-2009 at 07:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dazjorz
quote:Yeah, but that only shows correctly when other people have Plus support too...
Originally posted by blessedguy
plus! has custom status...
Incorrect, custom statuses show correctly whether the contact has Plus! installed or not
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 08:04 PM
quote:Oh, right, in the name. True. That's acceptable, I guess, even though "really" having the statuses back would be better IMO.
Originally posted by djdannyp
Incorrect, custom statuses show correctly whether the contact has Plus! installed or not
quote:So I walk downstairs for a minute, and before I do that, I set my status to away (two clicks), then click my personal message, remove enough to make space (a few clicks and a key press), type "Be right back!", and then walk away for a minute, then when I return, I make another ten clicks before my status is back at what it was? No thanks. Just a "Be right back" status would be better, don't you think?
Originally posted by blessedguy
They're useless...
If you REALLY want to differ them, add in your personal message: **Be Right back!**
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 08:09 PM
quote:Not at all.
Originally posted by dazjorz
quote:Oh, right, in the name. True. That's acceptable, I guess, even though "really" having the statuses back would be better IMO.
Originally posted by djdannyp
Incorrect, custom statuses show correctly whether the contact has Plus! installed or not
quote:So I walk downstairs for a minute, and before I do that, I set my status to away (two clicks), then click my personal message, remove enough to make space (a few clicks and a key press), type "Be right back!", and then walk away for a minute, then when I return, I make another ten clicks before my status is back at what it was? No thanks. Just a "Be right back" status would be better, don't you think?
Originally posted by blessedguy
They're useless...
If you REALLY want to differ them, add in your personal message: **Be Right back!**
In messenger 2009 for example, I'm able to type almost a full paragraph. And you've already tooken more that 10 clicks you'd have taken if you just used away or typed in your personal message
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by vaccination on 01-13-2009 at 08:28 PM
Use Plus! custom status', as already stated, these work fine.
On a sidenote, what's wrong with being simply busy or away? People really don't care that you're Be Right Back instead of Away, and frankly if you're only popping downstairs for two minutes, I'm pretty sure your contacts can wait that two minutes for you to get back upstairs and reply to them.
RE: RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 08:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
Not at all.
In messenger 2009 for example, I'm able to type almost a full paragraph. And you've already tooken more that 10 clicks you'd have taken if you just used away or typed in your personal message
But you get the point, right? One click would be better.
Will personized statuses be integrated in Plus! into the standard statuses menu, and a default list for "Be right back", "Out for dinner" and "On the phone" be made? That would help most people, while not being in the way.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 08:49 PM
quote:If you want it that fast, create a hot key for a custom status... like alt+1
Originally posted by vaccination
Use Plus! custom status', as already stated, these work fine.
On a sidenote, what's wrong with being simply busy or away? People really don't care that you're Be Right Back instead of Away, and frankly if you're only popping downstairs for two minutes, I'm pretty sure your contacts can wait that two minutes for you to get back upstairs and reply to them.
And your petition has 17 people yet... are you sure loads of people really care about that? =/ (most of people just look to the icon. the icons were the same. no changes for them)
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 08:53 PM
Yeah, most of my friends use statuses, and I'm sure only a fraction of people who want this have even *seen* the petition, apart from very few people having tried WLM2009 at all yet.
The fact is, many people are still using the statuses brb, phone, and lunch. There was no reason for the MS developers to remove them from that list, and I'm hoping Plus can add them back for me.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 08:55 PM
quote:You can't say there was no reason.
Originally posted by dazjorz
Yeah, most of my friends use statuses, and I'm sure only a fraction of people who want this have even *seen* the petition, apart from very few people having tried WLM2009 at all yet.
The fact is, many people are still using the statuses brb, phone, and lunch. There was no reason for the MS developers to remove them from that list, and I'm hoping Plus can add them back for me.
Work for them? No. Tehy sure have their reasons.
Don't make a storm in a cup of water ¬¬'
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 09:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
You can't say there was no reason.
Work for them? No. Tehy sure have their reasons.
Don't make a storm in a cup of water ¬¬'
I'm not. I'm just arguing they have use for some of us, even if they don't for you. No drama from my side.
But there's good news: I just installed the newest Plus beta, and noticed it's still possible to go into brb using the /brb shortcut! It shows as Away here, and as BRB on other clients - this proves two things: BRB is still available in MSNP16, and no api calls have changed regarding this, the client still supports it! That's great news, at least for me
So now for actually displaying it as brb in WLM2009....
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 09:29 PM
the 14.0 client doesnt.
the 8.5 still does.
however, soon messenger 8.5 will be blocked, like the 9 beta was ^^
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 09:53 PM
I have version 14, and found out it worked there
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 01-13-2009 at 10:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dazjorz
But there's good news: I just installed the newest Plus beta, and noticed it's still possible to go into brb using the /brb shortcut! It shows as Away here, and as BRB on other clients - this proves two things: BRB is still available in MSNP16, and no api calls have changed regarding this, the client still supports it! That's great news, at least for me
quote:You said it doesn't work =)
Originally posted by dazjorz
I have version 14, and found out it worked there
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 01-13-2009 at 10:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:You said it doesn't work =)
Originally posted by dazjorz
I have version 14, and found out it worked there
I meant: setting brb still works, so the client still knows brb exists and so does the protocol, msnp16. It just displays as Away. The Plus! hacky way of getting the brb status, still works.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by riahc4 on 01-31-2009 at 11:59 PM
No it doesnt work.
8.5 is on a different protocol than WLM9. So it shows the status code that is being sent from your client. WLM9 turns those status codes (BRB, Out To Lunch,etc) into Away.
BRB and Out To Lunch are the SAME thing as Away.
This is a stupid suggestion IMO.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 02-01-2009 at 12:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by riahc4
No it doesnt work.
8.5 is on a different protocol than WLM9. So it shows the status code that is being sent from your client. WLM9 turns those status codes (BRB, Out To Lunch,etc) into Away.
BRB and Out To Lunch are the SAME thing as Away.
This is a stupid suggestion IMO.
But it does work. Apparantly, brb, lunch and phone are still in the protocol. I can set my status to that using Messenger Plus and it still shows, just not with other people who are using WLM9, including myself.
Just because most people don't use these as seperate statuses, it's not directly a stupid suggestion, not for me!
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 02-01-2009 at 12:08 AM
quote:Ok, stop that please!
Originally posted by dazjorz
Just because most people don't use these as seperate statuses, it's not directly a stupid suggestion, not for me!
Those status will NOT come back, they are/were useless.
There are basically only 4 status you can be:
Available, you can talk, you aren't doing anything important.
Busy, you can talk, but you don't WANT to be annoyed.
Away, you can't talk (you're away...), also means "I may not answear".
Unavalable, you can't talk, or don't want other people to see you.
Be right back and out to lunch are the same as away, both mean "you can't talk and/or may not answear", so why to have them? Oh! Because someone wants to have them back! =O
Don't know if you got it, but Windows Live is trying to get simpler. So you should know your contact's status just by looking to their DP frames or icon. No out to lunch, no brb.
If you REALLY want, you are dieying for it, go ahead, die. Or use the handy PSM.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by riahc4 on 02-01-2009 at 12:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:Ok, stop that please!
Originally posted by dazjorz
Just because most people don't use these as seperate statuses, it's not directly a stupid suggestion, not for me!
Those status will NOT come back, they are/were useless.
There are basically only 4 status you can be:
Available, you can talk, you aren't doing anything important.
Busy, you can talk, but you don't WANT to be annoyed.
Away, you can't talk (you're away...), also means "I may not answear".
Unavalable, you can't talk, or don't want other people to see you.
Be right back and out to lunch are the same as away, both mean "you can't talk and/or may not answear", so why to have them? Oh! Because someone wants to have them back! =O
Don't know if you got it, but Windows Live is trying to get simpler. So you should know your contact's status just by looking to their DP frames or icon. No out to lunch, no brb.
If you REALLY want, you are dieying for it, go ahead, die. Or use the handy PSM.
QFT.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by MrTaco on 02-14-2009 at 07:10 AM
dazjorz, I agree with you. Don't know why these guys feel like they have to be arseholes about disagreeing, but I guess that's just how people are.
To me and plenty of my friends, they aren't all the same. Away means they're still signed in, but not around. Might not even be in the house. Could be gone for hours. Brb, they're still around. Might be going to the toilet, off to check something elsewhere in the house. Even doing something else, could have intermittent returns to the computer. Implies a possibly short response time to any of your messages, possibly longer but you most likely will get one in the time you're still at your computer. I guess Out to Lunch is similar enough to BRB to disappear. Also implies a relatively short absence, as one usually has while eating. On the phone, again that's different. That means you've got someone pulling you away from the computer to talk to you, and you generally won't be able to say anything til you get back from it.
The fact of the matter is, some people use the status to let people know what they're doing, others keep it constantly on away to try and get people not to bug them, and others ignore it completely. Having them still there doesn't disadvantage those who don't use them, but taking them does disadvantage those who do. And why punish some when it makes no difference to the rest?
But then, what would I know. I'm still using 7.0 
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by James Potter on 02-14-2009 at 08:42 AM
Erm.
To my information, Plus! sends the protocol command for the "/brb", "/lunch", and "/onphone" in the format of the earlier (WLM8.5 protocol), thus older versions of Messenger could display them appropriately. However, WLM14 converts them automatically to it's own protocol status-detection. Therefore, "Be Right Back" is displayed as away, and so are the other statuses.
Now, here is where Plus! fits in. Because Microsoft removed those statuses, Messenger Plus! Live comes in handy. It can display "Personalised Statuses." With personalised statuses, not only you can display your well favoured "BRB" status, but also an "AutoMessage" to it, so to tell people that they could leave a message and you would definetely get back to them at a later time.
The Messenger team are ignorant enough to not listen to what the "minority" (in this case 17 users) want, but look forward to what the virtual world needs as a whole. Thus, creating a perfect application that is used by millions of people. Use Plus!, it is an amazing application that can do the job.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 02-14-2009 at 11:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MrTaco
dazjorz, I agree with you. Don't know why these guys feel like they have to be arseholes about disagreeing, but I guess that's just how people are.
To me and plenty of my friends, they aren't all the same. Away means they're still signed in, but not around. Might not even be in the house. Could be gone for hours. Brb, they're still around. Might be going to the toilet, off to check something elsewhere in the house. Even doing something else, could have intermittent returns to the computer. Implies a possibly short response time to any of your messages, possibly longer but you most likely will get one in the time you're still at your computer. I guess Out to Lunch is similar enough to BRB to disappear. Also implies a relatively short absence, as one usually has while eating. On the phone, again that's different. That means you've got someone pulling you away from the computer to talk to you, and you generally won't be able to say anything til you get back from it.
The fact of the matter is, some people use the status to let people know what they're doing, others keep it constantly on away to try and get people not to bug them, and others ignore it completely. Having them still there doesn't disadvantage those who don't use them, but taking them does disadvantage those who do. And why punish some when it makes no difference to the rest?
But then, what would I know. I'm still using 7.0
I am so happy to find someone who agrees completely - what you are saying is exactly what I meant!
quote:
Originally posted by Acc2pmWDZ
Erm.
To my information, Plus! sends the protocol command for the "/brb", "/lunch", and "/onphone" in the format of the earlier (WLM8.5 protocol), thus older versions of Messenger could display them appropriately. However, WLM14 converts them automatically to it's own protocol status-detection. Therefore, "Be Right Back" is displayed as away, and so are the other statuses.
Now, here is where Plus! fits in. Because Microsoft removed those statuses, Messenger Plus! Live comes in handy. It can display "Personalised Statuses." With personalised statuses, not only you can display your well favoured "BRB" status, but also an "AutoMessage" to it, so to tell people that they could leave a message and you would definetely get back to them at a later time.
The Messenger team are ignorant enough to not listen to what the "minority" (in this case 17 users) want, but look forward to what the virtual world needs as a whole. Thus, creating a perfect application that is used by millions of people. Use Plus!, it is an amazing application that can do the job.
Maybe someone (me? I'm a programmer, just never looked into Plus! plugins before) should write a plugin to have WLM2009 display brb etc as "normal" statuses too. I don't know if that's really possible... Anyway the idea behind personalised statuses is great, only they aren't as integrated as WLM2009's own statuses - something should be done about that. That's primarily interface changes though, which may come automatically.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 02-14-2009 at 11:31 AM
dazjorz and MrTaco, don't you thing this subject is saturated?
They won't be brought back, no matter what you and your 17 friends say.
As Acc2pmWDZ said, the WL team look to the mass. Andn not you and your friends only. I bet TONS of people asked it to be removed. Why? Because there were lots of status. And some status had the same image. brb was show with the same icon as away. Out to lunch and ona call were the same as busy. Too complex for someone with a long list of friends.
WL team want WL products to be as simple as possible. Like all those buttons from dashoard. Disappeared.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dazjorz on 02-14-2009 at 11:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
dazjorz and MrTaco, don't you thing this subject is saturated?
There's a reason I stopped talking about it, just felt like I had to respond to this one.
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
Why? Because there were lots of status. And some status had the same image. brb was show with the same icon as away. Out to lunch and ona call were the same as busy. Too complex for someone with a long list of friends. WL team want WL products to be as simple as possible.
Too complex, too hard for someone with an IQ of 4 (which indeed some MSN users seem to have - but most probably score higher). Have a little faith in humanity...
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 02-14-2009 at 12:10 PM
Ok, so what you prefer:
Green Icon: can mean online, I'm here, I'm next to my PC, I will answear you now, I am but won't answear you now.
Yellow icon: I'm near the PC. I may be in the toilet. I may be in the kitchen. Maybe I'm not even home. I'll be back in some mionutes.
Red: I won't answear you now. I am busy! I'm not here. Maybe I'm on the phone. maybe i'm having lucnh.
Grey: not here.
or
Green: I'm available
Yellow: I'm away
Red: I'm busy
Grey: I'm unavailable.
It's not a matter of IQ. It's a matter of simplicity.
RE: RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by MrTaco on 02-14-2009 at 12:44 PM
quote:Oh, I agree. I doubt there's any chance they'll bring it back. From my experience, the things I like most about products are almost guaranteed to be the first things to be removed as they become "improved".
Originally posted by blessedguy
dazjorz and MrTaco, don't you thing this subject is saturated?
They won't be brought back, no matter what you and your 17 friends say.
quote:Just as they don't look to me and my friends only, they don't look to your friends only. You say you bet tons of people complained about it, I say I can't think of anyone who would have complained or why anyone would have reason to complain. It's all a matter of incredible claims that can't be backed up
Originally posted by blessedguy
As Acc2pmWDZ said, the WL team look to the mass. Andn not you and your friends only. I bet TONS of people asked it to be removed.
quote:Come now, six is hardly "lots", or "complicated". And yes, some of them have the same icon in the contact list. But that's irrelevant to those you're in a conversation with. The status icon never appears in the yellow strip across the top of your screen, it just tells you straight out that they're away, brb, out to long, whichever. To me, that's the main purpose of the status function. The icon in the list is just something to notify you at a glance. That they're either not at the keyboard, or otherwise occupied. Then you read the end of their name for more info, to see the little bracketed word at the end. Or if you can't see it, mouse-over and find it in the tooltip.
Originally posted by blessedguy
Why? Because there were lots of status. And some status had the same image. brb was show with the same icon as away. Out to lunch and ona call were the same as busy. Too complex for someone with a long list of friends.
quote:A six-option drop-down menu is far simpler than a four-option drop-down menu combined with having to change your name or perform some other kind of action to further clarify your meaning.
Originally posted by blessedguy
WL team want WL products to be as simple as possible. Like all those buttons from dashoard. Disappeared.
Also, dashboard buttons?
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by James Potter on 02-14-2009 at 01:03 PM
As far as I am concerned, there is no possible way to add options/features to the actual Messenger client. In this case, the statuses and their functions. (CookieRevised could help elabourate further on this subject...)
As to the rest of the whole arguement. Give up. There is no work-around for it except for Plus!'s custom statuses. We cannot do a "script" or an "add-on" or an application that would add these options back. However, what can be done is for Plus! to add the missing statuses (as personalised statuses, of course...) to the status-list by default. However, I doubt that this would happen now. It might happen at a later time, though. If Patchou finds it useful, of course.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by MicroWay on 02-14-2009 at 03:13 PM
I would like to post my personal opinion about this, as I started trying WLM 9 just now....
Well... i used to use the BRB and Lunch statuses (and some of my contacts too)... And now, they're missing in some cases. And I really doubt MS will bring then back....
On the other hand, with Plus! you can make all the status you want: For example.... why only "Out to Lunch" ?? I've made an "Out to Dinner" too.... But you can make lots of other ones...
Today I discoved that Animated GIFS are suported.... Me and I think that all the world too were waiting for this for a loooong time...
So, in conclusion, I think some people will miss the "basic" status, but with this new version we earned new stuff (life the GIFS and possibility to add a Scenario (I don't know if it's called like that in english, I've made a direct translation from Portuguese)) and the ability to make Groups..... and other things that I probably didn't mensioned or stilll din't see it .
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dimitrije2212 on 03-09-2009 at 04:46 PM
I dont get it 
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by CookieRevised on 03-10-2009 at 09:50 PM
I find the suggestion far from stupid.
There was no _real_ reason to remove those statusses in the new WLM. Simplicity? maybe, but as with many things, if you personally don't have a use for it then don't use it. Many other people shouldn't be 'punished' for something which 'the majority' doesn't use that much. In fact, there would be a whole bunch of other stuff which is not used much by the majority which could have been removed. And gaining a few new things in its place (like animated display pictures) shouldn't be a reason either. It also didn't block any further development for other stuff either. So in the end, no, no reason to remove it.
It is correct that not _everybody_ had a use for those extra statusses, but that does not mean _nobody_ had a use for it!!! This is also not somethng which can be explained by 'changes happen' and/or 'keeping up with the future'. This is plain and simple removing of features without any real reason, imho.
I use( d) BRB all the time! And find that there is a BIG difference between BRB and the standard AWAY. Hence, I would very much like to see at least the BRB status coming back.
Thank god for Plus! being there which fills this status-gap a bit...
As for his petition. Only having 17 or so people who have signed that petition does not mean that there aren't any people who want it back, blessedguy. It simply means that the site where this petition is found, hasn't been visited too much and isn't very well known. EDIT: Going from 17 sigs to almost twice that much in like 30 minutes after this thread has been brought back to the latest posts page, proofs this point also...
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by dimitrije2212 on 03-10-2009 at 09:54 PM
I also have only Idle,Busy,Available and Away, and i dont know why!?
RE: RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by djdannyp on 03-10-2009 at 10:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dimitrije2212
I also have only Idle,Busy,Available and Away, and i dont know why!?
That's because these are the only statuses available on WLM 2009.
Be Right Back, Out To Lunch and In A Call have been removed and the original poster was posting a petition to get them re-included and wanted the forum members to sign in support
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by Nagamasa on 03-26-2009 at 03:10 AM
Brb to me is the only one [of the 3] I care about.
To me, it means, "keep on talking, I'll be back in a sec." This would imply I'm not being rude for not reply, but then let people know that "I'm here".
The other two actually do mean Away and Busy, but brb doesn't quite mean you're away.
There is in fact quite an argument here
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by riahc4 on 03-27-2009 at 08:18 PM
quote:So again when you are at the toilet, somewhere else in the house, etc that is not away? You are not away from your computer?
Originally posted by MrTaco
Away means they're still signed in, but not around. Might not even be in the house. Could be gone for hours. Brb, they're still around. Might be going to the toilet, off to check something elsewhere in the house. Even doing something else, could have intermittent returns to the computer.
Away could be BRB
and BRB means away.
quote:You make your food in a "relatively short absence"? Must taste real shitty because good food takes time to prepare, elaborate, cook and serve.
Originally posted by MrTaco
I guess Out to Lunch is similar enough to BRB to disappear. Also implies a relatively short absence
When you are Out to Lunch you are Away
and when you are Away it could be that you are Out to Lunch
quote:In the year 2009, we have a device called a cell phone. Usually people that want to contact me directly call me on this device. It is wireless so I can be Away on my toilet talking to someone, Away in my kitchen cooking dinner talking to someone, Away in the yard moving the lawn talking, hell even Away or Busy on my PC talking to someone.
Originally posted by MrTaco
On the phone, again that's different. That means you've got someone pulling you away from the computer to talk to you, and you generally won't be able to say anything til you get back from it.
Or are you one of those people that women are right about: Can't do more than one thing at once?
quote:And you really think people give a shit what you are doing? They look if you are Away or Busy to talk to you (hell there are people that are Busy/Away 365 days a year.)
Originally posted by MrTaco
The fact of the matter is, some people use the status to let people know what they're doing
quote:
Originally posted by MrTaco
But then, what would I know. I'm still using 7.0
Exactly. Who the hell uses 7.0? And if its because WLM is bloated (I laugh everytime I hear that)
- Use A-Patch
- Use Pidgin
quote:
Originally posted by James Potter
As far as I am concerned, there is no possible way to add options/features to the actual Messenger client. In this case, the statuses and their functions. (CookieRevised could help elabourate further on this subject...)
As to the rest of the whole arguement. Give up. There is no work-around for it except for Plus!'s custom statuses. We cannot do a "script" or an "add-on" or an application that would add these options back. However, what can be done is for Plus! to add the missing statuses (as personalised statuses, of course...) to the status-list by default. However, I doubt that this would happen now. It might happen at a later time, though. If Patchou finds it useful, of course.
This is not about the client. Its about the protocol.
And yes, Plus! could send the status signals but (again) WLM9 could not understand them unless Plus! was also installed (eg. it would require Plus! on both ends to work).
quote:And here comes the Cookie out the cookie jar (why havent I made that joke against Cookie is beyond me
Originally posted by CookieRevised
I find the suggestion far from stupid.
There was no _real_ reason to remove those statusses in the new WLM. Simplicity? maybe, but as with many things, if you personally don't have a use for it then don't use it. Many other people shouldn't be 'punished' for something which 'the majority' doesn't use that much. In fact, there would be a whole bunch of other stuff which is not used much by the majority which could have been removed. And gaining a few new things in its place (like animated display pictures) shouldn't be a reason either. It also didn't block any further development for other stuff either. So in the end, no, no reason to remove it.
It is correct that not _everybody_ had a use for those extra statusses, but that does not mean _nobody_ had a use for it!!! This is also not somethng which can be explained by 'changes happen' and/or 'keeping up with the future'. This is plain and simple removing of features without any real reason, imho.
I use( d) BRB all the time! And find that there is a BIG difference between BRB and the standard AWAY. Hence, I would very much like to see at least the BRB status coming back.
Thank god for Plus! being there which fills this status-gap a bit...
As for his petition. Only having 17 or so people who have signed that petition does not mean that there aren't any people who want it back, blessedguy. It simply means that the site where this petition is found, hasn't been visited too much and isn't very well known. EDIT: Going from 17 sigs to almost twice that much in like 30 minutes after this thread has been brought back to the latest posts page, proofs this point also...
)This isnt a punishment...It is simplifing things. Why have 3 cables when with 2 you can do the exact same thing?
And again I fail to see the difference between BRB and Away.
Away - Im not at my computer. I can come back in 10 seconds or 10 hours.
BRB - Im not at my computer. Ill come back.
People used BRB as Away. You can honestly tell me that you havent seen one person as BRB for more than 5 minutes? People use BRB to get out of their house, get in their car, drive to their local store, pick up some milk and go back to their house. That is not BRB. Very few people actually truely use BRB to its meaning. Using BRB (which again you can use Away because you are Away) would be taking a piss with a bathroom that is at most 10-15 steps from you and coming back without getting sidetracked with something on TV.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by CookieRevised on 03-27-2009 at 11:20 PM
quote:There is also something like simplyfying things too much.
Originally posted by riahc4
This isnt a punishment...It is simplifing things. Why have 3 cables when with 2 you can do the exact same thing?
The analogy with the cables has one big flaw: those 'extra' statussus (and especially BRB) weren't laying in the way of anybody or anything to trip over.
quote:BRB does not mean "back in 5", it means "back in a short period of time". What that timeframe is can be different from person to person.
Originally posted by riahc4
People used BRB as Away. You can honestly tell me that you havent seen one person as BRB for more than 5 minutes? People use BRB to get out of their house, get in their car, drive to their local store, pick up some milk and go back to their house. That is not BRB.
But does that mean BRB should be removed all together because some people use it for a timeframe of 1 hour? That still could mean BRB for all I care.
If so the argument is that some people don't use it as you understand it, then the very same thing can be said about busy*, idle, away, appear offline... Scratch them all, make it online/offline and be done with it because simplyfying is good... Simple (pun and irony intended).
Yes, there is a major difference between BRB and AWY. Maybe not for you then, but it is for a hell of a lot of people who don't deserve to be 'punished' (for the lack of a better word) for others.
* Especially for busy, because to quote** you "or are you one of those people that women are right about: Can't do more than one thing at once"?
** and insulting someone at the same time with such an argument. Which is really uncalled for.
quote:I beg to differ. And those shouldn't be punished because some might not use it for what it means. Again, scratch all other statusses too then, same thing then...
Originally posted by riahc4
Very few people actually truely use BRB to its meaning.
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Nothing can change my feeling that at least BRB should be brought back and that there was absolutely no valid reason whatsoever in the world to remove it. On the contrary the more I think about it the stronger I feel it must be brought back.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by riahc4 on 03-28-2009 at 03:17 PM
quote:They were in the way of someone having to choose between BRB and Away. Away is the simple choice. BRB makes you think if you truely will be right back.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
The analogy with the cables has one big flaw: those 'extra' statussus (and especially BRB) weren't laying in the way of anybody or anything to trip over.
quote:...did you just say that Be Right Back is included in a timeframe of one hour? What are you sniffing Cookie? You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
BRB does not mean "back in 5", it means "back in a short period of time". What that timeframe is can be different from person to person.
But does that mean BRB should be removed all together because some people use it for a timeframe of 1 hour? That still could mean BRB for all I care.
Be Right Back - The expression means that Ill be back in a relatively short period of time which (in this case) you can wait. You think it would be correct to wait for someone for a entire hour?
Away - The word means that you are not at the location. You have no idea when you will be back so it is better than you not wait but in case you do, I may be back in a relatively short period of time but do not count on it.
Cookie when you said that a timeframe of a hour is BRB you killed your entire argument.
quote:You seem not to be able to understand the words of modern day english. No problem I will explain them to you.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
If so the argument is that some people don't use it as you understand it, then the very same thing can be said about busy*, idle, away, appear offline... Scratch them all, make it online/offline and be done with it because simplyfying is good... Simple (pun and irony intended).
Busy - You are occupied with something (in this case) other than WLM. You may or may not be Away but are simply Busy. You may or may not get a reply if you talk to the person
Idle (which is not a official WLM status but oh well) - You have not touched WLM/PC. You are either dead, as in the permanent termination of the biological functions that define a living organism (source: wikipedia) or are Away from your computer but you have not stated that you are Away from your computer simply you have not touched it. To receive a reply, the contact must not be Idle (there are exceptions using scripts...)
Appear Offline - You don't want people seeing you online. You never know when someone is Appear Offline unless they talk to you and even then you don't know (afterwards) if they are Appear Offline or have gone Offline.
quote:I believe (correct me if Im wrong) that I never said there isnt.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Yes, there is a major difference between BRB and AWY. Maybe not for you then, but it is for a hell of a lot of people who don't deserve to be 'punished' (for the lack of a better word) for others.
Be Right Back: You are Away and will be back in a relatively short period of time.
Away: You are Away and may or may not be back in a relatively short period of time .
See the difference? But guess what? They are BOTH Away but they are NOT BOTH Be Right Back
quote:Punished? Some of you need to get off your period with this.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
I beg to differ. And those shouldn't be punished because some might not use it for what it means. Again, scratch all other statusses too then, same thing then...
I dont see how you fail to understand that Be Right Back means that you are Away. Like someone said, if you really feel the need in your body to Be Right Back use /brb or Personalized Statuses. But remember that using /brb, only <9.0 will see it as BRB.
quote:You go girl.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Nothing can change my feeling that at least BRB should be brought back and that there was absolutely no valid reason whatsoever in the world to remove it. On the contrary the more I think about it the stronger I feel it must be brought back.
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by blessedguy on 03-28-2009 at 04:16 PM
quote:Even better! (not being ironic though) That would make PSM much useful than today *-*
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Scratch them all, make it online/offline and be done with it because simplyfying is good... Simple (pun and irony intended).
RE: Get back the statuses which were removed from WLM 2009! by riahc4 on 03-28-2009 at 04:54 PM
quote:If I had to choose, Id choose this as well.
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:Even better! (not being ironic though) That would make PSM much useful than today *-*
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Scratch them all, make it online/offline and be done with it because simplyfying is good... Simple (pun and irony intended).