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I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by avidvd on 03-24-2009 at 05:57 AM
I got the new updated Messenger and now I want to go back to the previous version (8.5)
I tried to delete the new. And get old. But did not succeed the way.
Because the new update becomes mandatory (but before optional)
What do I do?
ThankS
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by djdannyp on 03-24-2009 at 06:55 AM
Basically, you have to use WLM 2009.
I'm sure you'll soon get used to the new version......change is a good thing when it's for the better!
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by avidvd on 03-24-2009 at 08:22 AM
Thank you, but I insist on the previous version (8.5)
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by djdannyp on 03-24-2009 at 08:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avidvd
Thank you, but I insist on the previous version (8.5)
Unfortunately that isn't your decision to make.
It is always important to keep up to date with the latest versions of software and Windows Live Messenger is no different
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CJ2 on 03-24-2009 at 02:14 PM
Luckily i backed up with Acronis before trying the abbsymal WLM 2009. And i wont be using it again. Garbageware . 8.5 is infinitely better.
Anyway Avidvd , uninstall all of it.... i have the last full version of 8.5 and you can get it here. Enjoy. It wont bug you to upgrade after a while. I have been using 8.5 for ages.
WLM 8.5 FULL 
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Menthix on 03-24-2009 at 03:03 PM
quote:Annoying "free" download services. Live Messenger is and has always been available directly from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?d...-b445-0487bd5e84ef
Originally posted by CJ2
WLM 8.5 FULL
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CJ2 on 03-24-2009 at 03:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:Annoying "free" download services. Live Messenger is and has always been available directly from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?d...-b445-0487bd5e84ef
Originally posted by CJ2
WLM 8.5 FULL
Thanks for the link Menthix. Appreciated.
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by robert_dll on 03-25-2009 at 04:00 AM
You will be forced to update anyway, I don't know why many people doesn't like WLM 2009, there are some changes that I didn't like, but yeah, you get used to them.
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by avidvd on 03-25-2009 at 12:16 PM
((Anyway Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Moh on 03-25-2009 at 12:26 PM
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Anyway Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
As for the update issue, you can try changing the compatibility mode of msnmsgr.exe to Windows 2000 as someone suggested. I dont know it would work or not but someone said it worked so it is worth a try.
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by m0406 on 03-25-2009 at 01:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
You will be forced to update anyway, I don't know why many people doesn't like WLM 2009, there are some changes that I didn't like, but yeah, you get used to them.
I have not updated as of yet.Please can you explain what people do not like about it?
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Menthix on 03-25-2009 at 02:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by m0406
can you explain what people do not like about it?
quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
I don't know why many people doesn't like WLM 2009
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by djdannyp on 03-25-2009 at 02:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by m0406
quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
You will be forced to update anyway, I don't know why many people doesn't like WLM 2009, there are some changes that I didn't like, but yeah, you get used to them.
I have not updated as of yet.Please can you explain what people do not like about it?
basically, people don't like change
they get used to something......and then moan when something new comes along that's slightly different......then in a couple of year's time they moan when something else new comes along because they want to stick with the thing they were moaning
about before
RE: RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CookieRevised on 03-25-2009 at 02:11 PM
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Moh on 03-25-2009 at 02:15 PM
quote:It is advisable when you are going to downgrade to a lower version.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CookieRevised on 03-25-2009 at 02:28 PM
quote:No, it is advisable to follow to proper way!!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
It is advisable when you are going to downgrade to a lower version.
Which is:
1) uninstall the current version
2) install the version you want...
To uninstall the current version, all you need to do is to follow the logic and proper way: use Add/Remove Programs...
ZapMessenger should only be used when you encounter problems uninstalling the current version (because of messing around with the installers and/or entries in Add/Remove programs).
Please don't teach people the wrong way. There are already enough problems caused by people who simply don't know the proper normal ways of doing things (Plus!' sponsor uninstallation to name one example).
It is good for people to know that there is a tool which will fix uninstalling problems, but that does not mean people shouldn't follow and be told to follow the proper way first.
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by djdannyp on 03-25-2009 at 02:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:It is advisable when you are going to downgrade to a lower version.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
Completely wrong!
ZapMessenger should only be used if the normal uninstall has failed and fragments of Messenger/WLSuite are left behind and are hindering other installs/uninstalls
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by avidvd on 03-26-2009 at 07:31 AM
quote:This Right And I tried and succeeded.
Originally posted by djdannyp
quote:
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:It is advisable when you are going to downgrade to a lower version.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
Completely wrong!
ZapMessenger should only be used if the normal uninstall has failed and fragments of Messenger/WLSuite are left behind and are hindering other installs/uninstalls
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CookieRevised I tried your way and did not succeed
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CookieRevised on 03-26-2009 at 07:41 AM
quote:It is not "my" way at all though, it is the proper normal and logic way to follow at first.
Originally posted by avidvd
CookieRevised I tried your way and did not succeed
Only if that fails you can try to use 3rd party tools, knowing that you did try the proper official way first.
PS: I never had any problems using Add/Remove Programs to uninstall WLM 14 and install 8.5, even not after seriously messing around with installers and reg settings. (note that if you still had the old beta of WLM 14, you also need to remove it from Add/Remove Programs but this time choose "Windows Live Messenger" instead of "Windows Live Essentials").
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Mike on 03-26-2009 at 02:27 PM
quote:Doesn't really matter. Your contacts that are using WLM9 won't see these statuses
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
Also BRB, Out to lunch and In a call statuses have been removed. Have a look at the picture.
quote:Afaik, ZapMessenger will attempt a normal uninstallation of WLM first?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
How can I do this?
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CookieRevised on 03-26-2009 at 06:33 PM
quote:Yes it does..., but again, people should learn that there is a normal, official, logic way of doing things instead of relying on 3rd party programs and in the end completely forgetting (or even not knowing) there is such a thing like Add/Remove Programs.
Originally posted by Mike
quote:Afaik, ZapMessenger will attempt a normal uninstallation of WLM first?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
quote:How can I do this?
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
Clearest example: uninstalling Plus!' sponsor, where many people use 3rd party anti-whatever programs which actually do more damage than doing the logic way and checking out Add/Remove programs first. (you would be actually surprised at how many types of adware programs can be removed by simply going to Add/Remove Programs instead of using stuff like HijackThis and the likes)
So instead of suggesting to use ZapMessenger right away (like I see on so many forums, and like Moh Zayadi did here), suggest the proper method first. And if that would fail, then they could attempt to use ZapMessenger.
btw: ZapMessenger will not always work either!
ZapMessenger is for those situations where the normal uninstaller doesn't work. And to be honest, I never had any problems using the normal official way, even with really messed up installer settings, half installations and what not. Sure I had to execute the uninstaller twice sometimes, or reinstall a particular version first, but in the end I never failed to roll-back, install multiple versions side-by-side, updating a previous version while using a later version, etc... Simply think about what you're want to do and follow the logic steps (eg: if you want to roll back, maybe it is a good idea to uninstall the current version first?), do what the installer says or gives as an error and it will work 99/100 times....
But maybe I'm just extremely lucky (all the time)...
Then you might say that not all people know how to do things. And that's very very true. But that is also my point: teach them how to do the proper things so that they learn to think for themselfs so that they can fix it on their own the next time they encounter something similar, otherwise they simply keep on being 'unknowningly' (or whatever you wanna call it)...
Same with using System Restore. So many times you see people suggesting to do a System Restore instead of simply uninstalling the program (or reinstalling it again if the first removal failed because of a bad installation).
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by Moh on 03-26-2009 at 08:50 PM
quote:Agreed, I should have introduced the normal way first. But, I thought that uninstalling it normally would still leave some traces not making the older version work "which seems to be wrong as you have cleared out and said that you had no problems downgrading to 8.5 so, thanks.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:Yes it does..., but again, people should learn that there is a normal, official, logic way of doing things instead of relying on 3rd party programs and in the end completely forgetting (or even not knowing) there is such a thing like Add/Remove Programs.
Originally posted by Mike
quote:Afaik, ZapMessenger will attempt a normal uninstallation of WLM first?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:You do not need ZapMessenger to simply uninstall Messenger!!
Originally posted by Moh Zayadi
quote:You can use ZapMessenger for that.
Originally posted by avidvd
quote:How can I do this?
((Any) way Avidvd , uninstall all of it. ))
Go to Add/Remove Programs and run Windows Live Essentials. There you can select Windows Live Messenger (2009) to be uninstalled.
Clearest example: uninstalling Plus!' sponsor, where many people use 3rd party anti-whatever programs which actually do more damage than doing the logic way and checking out Add/Remove programs first. (you would be actually surprised at how many types of adware programs can be removed by simply going to Add/Remove Programs instead of using stuff like HijackThis and the likes)
So instead of suggesting to use ZapMessenger right away (like I see on so many forums, and like Moh Zayadi did here), suggest the proper method first. And if that would fail, then they could attempt to use ZapMessenger.
btw: ZapMessenger will not always work either!
ZapMessenger is for those situations where the normal uninstaller doesn't work. And to be honest, I never had any problems using the normal official way, even with really messed up installer settings, half installations and what not. Sure I had to execute the uninstaller twice sometimes, or reinstall a particular version first, but in the end I never failed to roll-back, install multiple versions side-by-side, updating a previous version while using a later version, etc... Simply think about what you're want to do and follow the logic steps (eg: if you want to roll back, maybe it is a good idea to uninstall the current version first?), do what the installer says or gives as an error and it will work 99/100 times....
But maybe I'm just extremely lucky (all the time)...
Then you might say that not all people know how to do things. And that's very very true. But that is also my point: teach them how to do the proper things so that they learn to think for themselfs so that they can fix it on their own the next time they encounter something similar, otherwise they simply keep on being 'unknowningly' (or whatever you wanna call it)...
Same with using System Restore. So many times you see people suggesting to do a System Restore instead of simply uninstalling the program (or reinstalling it again if the first removal failed because of a bad installation).
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RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CookieRevised on 03-27-2009 at 07:17 PM
quote:There are a lot of inaccuraties and even wrong info in that article. So not for the newb whom doesn't reconize those inaccuraties and wrong stuff.
Originally posted by nimicitor
This article might help:
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/03/27/do...ssenger/#more-4084
It also (again) suggests to use ZapMessenger while there is no real need for it. It suggests to download from OldVersion.com which has mostly depricted beta versions, while all the older versions in all the languages are still available on the official Microsoft Download Center.
And the 'trick' it explains to workaround possible updates will brake proper protocol workings and makes developping future protocol stuff harder.
Not a realy good article I would recomend reading (if you're a 'newb' that is).
RE: RE: I want to go back to the previous version (8.5) by CJ2 on 03-30-2009 at 12:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by djdannyp
quote:
Originally posted by m0406
quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
You will be forced to update anyway, I don't know why many people doesn't like WLM 2009, there are some changes that I didn't like, but yeah, you get used to them.
I have not updated as of yet.Please can you explain what people do not like about it?
basically, people don't like change
they get used to something......and then moan when something new comes along that's slightly different......then in a couple of year's time they moan when something else new comes along because they want to stick with the thing they were moaning
about before
not entirely true... i hate WLM 2009 because it totally f***** up my sign in assistant and rendered it useless . In fact it removed my desktop shortcut and link in the start menu WLM folder ! Also unlike 8.5 when you quit out of hotmail the stupid WLM icon stays in the sytem tray instead of closing. Its just crap compared to 8.5 . Nothing to do with change.