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MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Apatik on 01-16-2010 at 03:04 PM
Just saw that a new release was published yesterday (4.83.376, superseding 4.83.372), but couldn't find any information about it. I thought you guys might know something? 
(exactly 1year and 7months today since my last post here... hehe)
Cheers!
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Menthix on 01-16-2010 at 03:40 PM
Nope, nothing except things we can find out on ourselves. Quote from the beta forum:
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:Actually, it's not the same file as the .376 build we saw before. MD5 has changed since, digital signature is also stamped January 15.
Originally posted by SonicSam
The release has been out for a while, just the number wasn't updated on the download page
To make things more confusing:In both cases the installer is stamped .376 and signed January 15.
- Download from http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/ and you will get the toolbar (Conduit) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Yuna Software.
- Do a manual update check (/checkupdates) or wait for auto-update to do its thing and you get PlusNetwork.com (Ask!) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Patchou.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 01-16-2010 at 04:57 PM
There is no real changelog because nothing has changed in Plus! itself. Only the setup has changed to accomodate the new toolbar.
Though, I still would like to see a changelog regardless if there were only minor changes or if it was only the toolbar being added.
quote:It's not that confusing though as there has always been a difference between the auto-update one and the one from the website when a new release is published.
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:Actually, it's not the same file as the .376 build we saw before. MD5 has changed since, digital signature is also stamped January 15.
Originally posted by SonicSam
The release has been out for a while, just the number wasn't updated on the download page
To make things more confusing:In both cases the installer is stamped .376 and signed January 15.
- Download from http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/ and you will get the toolbar (Conduit) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Yuna Software.
- Do a manual update check (/checkupdates) or wait for auto-update to do its thing and you get PlusNetwork.com (Ask!) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Patchou.
So it is probably done on purpose to 'test' out this new version with toolbar before everybody gets auto-updated. So, most likely the auto-update and manual-update files will be updated soonish. Patchou has always taken this approach in the past too, to spread the load on the server.
Anyways, for all those new 376 'versions' goes:
All About boxes says: version 4.83.376 - released on 24/12/09
However, the setups themself were compiled and signed on 15/01/10.
(trivia: the auto-update and manual-update 'versions' have actually been compiled after the ones from the website, and were put online later)
All the other internal files are identical to the previous 376 build we saw before (which was a silent update).
Aka, only the setup itself has changed, Plus! itself is still identical to previous build (except for the translation files to accomodate the new toolbar setup).
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in much more detail:
Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 17 Oct 2009.
Real version number: 4.83.372
Real release date: 22 Oct 2009
Setup compiled on 22 Oct 2009 03:06:04
Setup MD5 hash: ef6a81711402414df6eb891b5a9c6632
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 372 - released on 17/10/09
Was delayed because of verisign problems. This is the first version signed by Yuna Software.
Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 30 Nov 2009.
Real version number: 4.83.374
Setup compiled on 8 Dec 2009 17:21:12
Setup MD5 hash: 9de39fca1eff3dedaa9da3ac9e6cd7d3
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 374 - released on 30/11/09
This was a silent update
Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 15 Dec 2009.
Real version number: 4.83.375
Setup compiled on 16 Dec 2009 06:45:12
Setup MD5 hash: 557078762379bd50caba7292d67478c4
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 375 - released on 15/12/09
This was a silent update
Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 24 Dec 2009.
Real version number: 4.83.376
Setup compiled on 24 Dec 2009 16:31:51
Setup MD5 hash: 53757fbf8ff8838065d507e55d2de61a
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
This was a silent update
------------------------------------ latest version: ------------------------------------
Advertised on website as 4.83.376 with release date shown as: 15 Jan 2010.
Real version number: 4.83.376
Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 16:54:46
Setup MD5 hash: 573d1edd732f342dbf5a78dd7ec19c7c
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
This is the first version with the new Messenger Plus!-toolbar instead of the usual CiD or Ask.com sponsors.
All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.
Not available via the website, but would be 4.83.376 with release date shown as: 15 Jan 2010.
Real version number: 4.83.376
Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:00:47
Setup MD5 hash: 72c8c2ac7d0dbbf4e35c44d31135df83
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
This is the version people might get from the website at a later point (I'm unsure). It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Ask.com sponsor.
All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.
Auto-update version
Real version number: 4.83.376
Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:05:08
Setup MD5 hash: d9d7125daebdbdf53e812a7e758a4538
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
This is the the version people get when they do an auto-update at this time of writing. It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Ask.com sponsor.
All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.
Manual-update version
Real version number: 4.83.376
Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:21:23
Setup MD5 hash: 1db44dc0e1da33fdc0e0b5937ff0cb5c
Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
This is the version people get when they do a manual update (command /checkupdates) at this time of writing. It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Cid Sponsor.
All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.
If people have other versions (eg: the 373 build) or some other subversion of the same build number as listed above, you can always contact me
Note: version numbers have never been a good indentification since they are not always updated. You must check several parameters to see if you actual have the same version or not (eg: MD5 hash).
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Menthix on 01-16-2010 at 06:07 PM
quote:The auto-update file *is* updated though and pushing out .376, but another .376 than on the download page. Which is something different than usual where auto-update wouldn't notify anybody until one or two weeks after release, at which point auto-update would serve the same file as the download page.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
It's not that confusing though as there has always been a difference between the auto-update one and the one from the website when a new release is published.
So it is probably done on purpose to 'test' out this new version with toolbar before everybody gets auto-updated. So, most likely the auto-update file will be updated soonish. Patchou has always taken this approach in the past too, to spread the load on the server.
I guess it comes down to the same thing if they change auto-update in 1 or 2 weeks to serve the toolbar version too. But atm it's still pretty confusing, certainly for people who don't realize auto-update, /checkupdates, and the download page are 3 separate things.
Not having a changelog doesn't help either. IMO every time you bug users with an auto-update notification and/or change the build number on the download page people should be able to see what changed. No matter if it's only the sponsoring or tiny changes.
/me considers keeping an archive of releases again (including the silent ones)
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 01-16-2010 at 06:58 PM
quote:yeah, I just checked more closely and there are actually 4 versions! Where one can't be downloaded directly at the moment since its link is not published anywhere. This is the version you normally download from the website, but with the Ask.com sponsor (see previous post).
Originally posted by Menthix
I guess it comes down to the same thing if they change auto-update in 1 or 2 weeks to serve the toolbar version too. But atm it's still pretty confusing, certainly for people who don't realize auto-update, /checkupdates, and the download page are 3 separate things.
quote:I couldn't agree more
Originally posted by Menthix
Not having a changelog doesn't help either. IMO every time you bug users with an auto-update notification and/or change the build number on the download page people should be able to see what changed. No matter if it's only the sponsoring or tiny changes.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Apatik on 01-17-2010 at 12:06 AM
Hehe, I see CookieRevised still is the man with the answers, and more detail than one could ever hope for
I'm wondering though, how do you even know about all these silent updates? Do you download Plus!'s setup everyday or something? 
Thanks for your input guys!
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 01-17-2010 at 12:51 AM
Not really. It usually is just by accident or on a case-to-case basis, like now. I sure don't have all the setup versions that you could download in one way or the other (I whish 
). However, checking regularly in an automated way has been the plan since a long time, but it never gets to that...
Since a very long time I'm 'working' on an elaborate version checker. But it never gets finished because each time I get somewhere and think I'm on the right track there are things which come to light (at least to 'my light' 
) which further slows down the development (like now*) because it gets more and more complex to get all the possible versions in an automated way. Not to mention I really need to find a decent way to make sense of all the data and catalog all of them. And then there are also the private versions for the beta testers of course. And you don't want to overload the servers either with useless downloads you already got...
eg: Apparently you need to check 5 different links now to get 'all' possible compiled builds for a specific public release. 5 instead of 4, because there is still the old link too, but the version you'll find there is at the moment identical to the one pointed to by the website. Although both files are physically different files (as you could check by the returned server datetime).
* It was actually Menthix previous posts which rang my bell to also check the autoupdate and manualupdate methods. I never considered that they would link to even yet other compiled versions than the ones you can find via the website. And by investigating the links that the update feature uses I 'discovered' another working link with yet another version (4th one, the one with md5: 72c8c2…) which isn't available by normal means (doesn't mean it wouldn't be available soonish or 'by random' like some versions from the past in regards to the attached sponsor though).
The rest is just very boring and tedious analysis of the downloaded files.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Schnappi on 01-17-2010 at 11:26 AM
so there's no need to install this new update?
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Menthix on 01-17-2010 at 11:30 AM
quote:It doesn't hurt either, in general I would recommend to always update.
Originally posted by Schnappi
so there's no need to install this new update?
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by twigboy on 01-18-2010 at 10:41 AM
interesting, i came onto the forums because i got the update notification and saw nothing on the change logs also.
will keep an eye on this thread for further news
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by riahc4 on 01-19-2010 at 08:19 PM
So:
Should we update?
How to update (since main link does not work)?
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 01-19-2010 at 08:50 PM
Like said before, the Plus! program and all its core files in this version are identical to the previous version (except for some language files*).
The only difference in this version is the setup itself. If you download the setup from the main site, you get the choice to install the Messenger Plus! Community Toolbar (*for which some languages are updated), instead of the CiD sponsor or the Ask.com sponsor.
The download link on the main page works perfectly here atm
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Apatik on 02-16-2010 at 03:02 PM
Yet another release (stamped 378), still no changelog...
And BTW, am I the only one getting random language changes for www.msgpluslive.net ? (up until now I got Spanish, Thai and another I can't remember, and I always set it back to English)
I'm using Firefox 3.6 (en-us) on Windows XP SP3 (fr-fr), and I don't clean my cookies or whatever. It happens on both my computers too (same config).
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Eddie on 02-16-2010 at 06:05 PM
quote:Received the same update today, didn't do it.
Originally posted by Apatik
Yet another release (stamped 378), still no changelog...
And BTW, am I the only one getting random language changes for www.msgpluslive.net ? (up until now I got Spanish, Thai and another I can't remember, and I always set it back to English)
I'm using Firefox 3.6 (en-us) on Windows XP SP3 (fr-fr), and I don't clean my cookies or whatever. It happens on both my computers too (same config).
And I do get the issues with the website, it thought I was Spanish a few days ago.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 02-16-2010 at 10:54 PM
I'm not going to list the same things as before (MD5 hashes, etc). But the same thing applies as before: there are like 4 versions: one with the CiD sponsor, one with the new toolbar sponsor and 2 with the Ask.com sponsor (only difference between the two 'Ask.com' ones is that one is signed by "Patchou", the other by "Yuna Software")...
Anyways, the sponsors set aside, other than some version number changes and digital signatures updates, everything is the same in:
mptools.exe, mpskins.dll, mpscripts.dll, msgplusliveres.dll, uninstall.exe, msgplusloader.dll, ...
Only real different is in:
MsgPlusLive.dll
From what I can gather (after doing some quick and not too advanced comparissons) some small code changes are done, but nothing to radical I think. Most of the 'changes' might be simply because of the recompilation (subs which have moved a bit, etc). Although there seem to be a few lines of code which were in the previous build (376) which are removed from the current one (378) and vice versa. So, there are some changes though, but they are very small (only a couple of lines of ASM code).
Other than that, the FireFox plugin for toolbar program has been updated too:
From version 2.5.6.0 to 2.5.4.7. But the only real difference there, besides many version number changes of course, is in ctoolbar.js function EBRRAccount_CT2124320() and the POP3 retrieval for webemails from the RoadRunner domain.
Languages:
no updates in there.
Still containing those same toolbar translations from before as made by Yuna themselfs (although fixes have been send to Yuna for some languages since the last build).
Note: the recently requested translation updates were for online parts of the toolbar, so you wont find them in the setup of the toolbar.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Mike on 02-16-2010 at 11:39 PM
quote:Maybe the difference is that a button like "Fix your PC" has been added/removed?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only real different is in:
MsgPlusLive.dll
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 02-16-2010 at 11:58 PM
quote:Do you mean the "PC repair utility" button in the "Cool stuff" menu of the browser toolbar? MsgPlusLive.dll is the core program of Messenger Plus!, it doesn't have anything to do with that toolbar. So that button isn't part of it.
Originally posted by Mike
quote:Maybe the difference is that a button like "Fix your PC" has been added/removed?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only real different is in:
MsgPlusLive.dll
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by toddy on 02-17-2010 at 12:08 AM
all sounds very dodgy tbh
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Mike on 02-17-2010 at 12:15 AM
quote:No, I'm talking about this button.
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:Do you mean the "PC repair utility" button in the "Cool stuff" menu of the browser toolbar? MsgPlusLive.dll is the core program of Messenger Plus!, it doesn't have anything to do with that toolbar. So that button isn't part of it.
Originally posted by Mike
quote:Maybe the difference is that a button like "Fix your PC" has been added/removed?
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only real different is in:
MsgPlusLive.dll
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 02-17-2010 at 12:38 AM
Ah... never have seen that button (nor that thread) 
. Maybe then that's the change, maybe not. Can't check it as I never seen the button anyways.
I don't have any extra button in the Me-bar. I Only have the Game Of the Month button next to the word wheel and the Plus!Games button in a chat window.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by vows on 02-17-2010 at 12:34 PM
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Eddie on 02-17-2010 at 04:20 PM
quote:That's been there a while, you can turn it off in the preferences.
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by Chrissy on 02-17-2010 at 04:25 PM
quote:If you want to turn it off:
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
If not, sorry
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by toddy on 02-17-2010 at 07:25 PM
why not just uninstall plus altogether? makes life much easier
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by djdannyp on 02-17-2010 at 07:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by toddy
why not just uninstall plus altogether? makes life much easier
Because the prevailing opinion here tends to be that Plus! is quite useful.....and somehow I don't think it makes ANY sense to uninstall a program to remove a button (and losing all of the features)....when the program has a feature to remove the button...
RE: RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by vows on 02-18-2010 at 08:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie
quote:That's been there a while, you can turn it off in the preferences.
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
It don't want to turn it off, why is it even there anyway? It seems plus has gone commericial (from reading other posts) Look at that plus games websites, it's got all this stuff about buying credits and what not.
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by djdannyp on 02-18-2010 at 11:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by vows
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie
quote:That's been there a while, you can turn it off in the preferences.
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
It don't want to turn it off, why is it even there anyway? It seems plus has gone commericial (from reading other posts) Look at that plus games websites, it's got all this stuff about buying credits and what not.
Read the following post for further details:
Back to the roots... for a fresh start
RE: RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by vows on 02-18-2010 at 02:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by djdannyp
quote:
Originally posted by vows
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie
quote:That's been there a while, you can turn it off in the preferences.
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
It don't want to turn it off, why is it even there anyway? It seems plus has gone commericial (from reading other posts) Look at that plus games websites, it's got all this stuff about buying credits and what not.
Read the following post for further details:
Back to the roots... for a fresh start
Already read it. I know whats going on and it's stupid.
I can't wait for plusmail, plusmusic, plussearchengine, pluseverything
RE: MPL 4.83.376 changelog? by CookieRevised on 02-18-2010 at 03:35 PM
quote:Nobody is forcing you to play the Plus! games in any way! Furthermore, those 'extra' things are not part of the core engine of Messenger Plus!, there is nothing regarding that in the Plus! files you download and install. It are simply extra components, so to speak, you can install and/or allow seperatly.
Originally posted by vows
quote:
Originally posted by djdannyp
quote:
Originally posted by vows
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie
quote:That's been there a while, you can turn it off in the preferences.
Originally posted by vows
I see some new game button, that links to this website.
http://www.plusgames.com/
It don't want to turn it off, why is it even there anyway? It seems plus has gone commericial (from reading other posts) Look at that plus games websites, it's got all this stuff about buying credits and what not.
Read the following post for further details:
Back to the roots... for a fresh start
Already read it. I know whats going on and it's stupid.
I can't wait for plusmail, plusmusic, plussearchengine, pluseverything
And as said before, you can turn off the extra buttons (which have been there since a while now) to keep the slick view like it always has been. Nothing is forcing you to have or use those buttons.