ok iv'e seen the Hype of it over on Neowins forum but i dont see any Hype of it here? so is any1 here excited about it here?

We'll get excited about it when it's actually released, and not when some random guy claims that he knows the release date. And after that, we'll get excited when a compatible Plus! version comes out.

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We'll get excited about it when it's actually released, and not when some random guy claims that he knows the release date. And after that, we'll get excited when a compatible Plus! version comes out.

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We've been waiting for it since last year ever since the first screenies have leaked. So much about it is already known, and the supposed release date delayed so many times. People are expecting the 24th now, so we'll see soon enough if that was corect this time.

I think the current Plus! version will probably be patched to work with 2011 fairly soon. But MP!L5 will take more time. What is expected on the 24th is a public beta anyway, the final Live Messenger 2011 will take more time.

iv'e read it could be anytime between now an the 25th of this month but i read this all on liveside which i dont think is 100% correct anyway.  its like a teaser what you read from there so i deleted the RSS feed.

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on liveside which i dont think is 100% correct anyway.  its like a teaser what you read from there so i deleted the RSS feed.

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I've been stalk reading at Neowin, but I am quite interested.

I do hope it is this week because its been delayed for too long.

But yeah June 24 seems to be a very common date.

I'm looking forward to it, but won't be downloading until the compatible Plus! is released, literally can't have Messenger without Plus!

As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essential...-released-tomorrow

A Mod Might wanna Merge this Thread into http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=93171

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If you want to try out the public beta of Microsoft Windows Live Essentials, point your browser to http://essentials.live.com

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Nah, it's not out yet, just people linking to where it would be when they released it.

In the meantime... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcYh6CY1_4

It does seem to be out now on that site, it's all changed from how it was earlier.

Just gotta wait for compatible Plus! now then I can install

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It does seem to be out now on that site, it's all changed from how it was earlier.

Just gotta wait for compatible Plus! now then I can install

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Try http://essentials.live.com/

It's all changed on there from how it used to be.

Edit: Hmm, while they've changed the website itself, the d/l is still the same .  Getting closer obviously

I still get the old one :/

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It does seem to be out now on that site, it's all changed from how it was earlier.

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I tried it earlier today (as in when I posted that first message) and the website was still exactly how it's looked for months...it was only when I checked just now that it looked any different which is why I assumed it'd been released....I guess all us European people are still waiting for something US time

I guess they started redirecting http://download.live.com/ to http://essentials.live.com/ now. But I definitely saw that new layout days before.

Also, it is out now and stuff... http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials-beta

Lol @ Broken link

http://g.live.com/1rebeta4_webd/en/wlsetup-webd.exe?WLI=1

Downloading doesn't give an exe extension

Try here instead http://g.live.com/1rebeta4_webd/en/wlsetup-webd.exe  (for English, obv)

Hopefully there'll be an offline installer available too, I like to get that at work instead to save having to d/l each time I install.

Now I'm just waiting for a compatible version of Plus! before I install

Anyone tried that Messenger Companion thing? What exactly does it do? The description is not very informative...

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Anyone tried that Messenger Companion thing? What exactly does it do? The description is not very informative...

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Downloading doesn't give an exe extension

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Nice work How do you find all of those links?

Edit: Those second ones aren't offline installers though.....they're still just 1.15mb

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Edit: Those second ones aren't offline installers though.....they're still just 1.15mb

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Anyone tried that Messenger Companion thing? What exactly does it do? The description is not very informative...

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its like an IE addon. which allows you to share things on the web with your wlm contacts.

update: ohh and see stuff your friends shared too and comment on them too. quite useless imho ><

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Quick question: Now that WLM 2010 has done away from Display Names, how on earth do I "covert" my display name to my actual name?

Well, from my first experience it's really quite bad...

I had no idea that nicknames had been removed, now forces to use your real name. That kind of sucks, really. Even so, it wasn't even showing that, just displaying my email address which I couldn't change.

Images sent as links automatically open without asking (according to JK).

Not to mention it was disconnecting and crashing constantly...

Beta, I'm sure once the complaints start some changes will occur for the final .

I for one wish I could hide the ribbon in Windows Live Mail , or make it more compact. Nevermind

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Edit: Those second ones aren't offline installers though.....they're still just 1.15mb

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Hmm Grabbed the offline links from Liveside.

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Quick question: Now that WLM 2010 has done away from Display Names, how on earth do I "covert" my display name to my actual name?

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Quick question: Now that WLM 2010 has done away from Display Names, how on earth do I "covert" my display name to my actual name?

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No display names

That seriously sucks!  What about personal messages?

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Quick question: Now that WLM 2010 has done away from Display Names, how on earth do I "covert" my display name to my actual name?

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Quick question: Now that WLM 2010 has done away from Display Names, how on earth do I "covert" my display name to my actual name?

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It will set it for you. If you wish to change it you will have to change via Tools > Options > Personal - Edit Name (button)

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No display names

That seriously sucks!  What about personal messages?

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If you don't integrate to Facebook, can you still keep a WLM 2009 style display name?

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If you don't integrate to Facebook, can you still keep a WLM 2009 style display name?

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Oh funny thing, and kinda stupid..."Appear offline to this person" is the longest euphemism to "Block" (FYI, it's written in full too.)

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If you don't integrate to Facebook, can you still keep a WLM 2009 style display name?

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If you don't integrate to Facebook, can you still keep a WLM 2009 style display name?

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Read this

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as a little misunderstanding, the installers aren't Web and Full but Auto and Manual. The post is edited now. Auto means all apps will be installed without you getting a choice, Manual will give you choice what to install

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Auto is the default on the page on the left...for choice use Choose programs link on the right...or just take whichever from the liveside post of course

I dunno what they were thinking introducing auto installers

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As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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you'll be forced to update for security reasons. unless you use a Hack or whatever to stay on that version without getting Notifications there is an update available

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as a little misunderstanding, the installers aren't Web and Full but Auto and Manual. The post is edited now. Auto means all apps will be installed without you getting a choice, Manual will give you choice what to install

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And auto is their default option!?!?!?!? Am I the only person having a huge WTF moment here?

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so hot



Also, keep in mind you can still apply nicknames to others.

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so hot

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Yay for topless video

Interestingly, Sam's cam wasn't showing in WLM 2009, had to upgrade to see him.

In other news... I uninstalled Windows Live Essentials beta, restarted PC, then this Bing Bar showed up. Pretty sure I didn't ask for that..

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Also, keep in mind you can still apply nicknames to others.

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In other news... I uninstalled Windows Live Essentials beta, restarted PC, then this Bing Bar showed up. Pretty sure I didn't ask for that..

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In other news... I uninstalled Windows Live Essentials beta, restarted PC, then this Bing Bar showed up. Pretty sure I didn't ask for that..

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But.. but.. like I said, I uninstalled everything in Windows Live Essentials, restarted PC, then it showed up.

Oh it installs it as a separate item on add/remove programs, that's why.

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When trying to send a video message it disconnects my internet.

More than 50% my conversation windows are 100% gray and have no content in them....but they aren't frozen, they close normally.

It's a bit stupid, what if I want to keep my name private?

Is there any chance we get display names back?

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Is there any chance we get display names back?

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It's a bit stupid, what if I want to keep my name private?

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Although nobody is preventing you from entering you nickname as name on your Live profile. http://profile.live.com/details/Edit/Name

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Facebook has a Community Page up about the Nicknames

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Allow-Nicknames-in-...47173147381?v=info

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Is there any chance we get display names back?

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No.

Although nobody is preventing you from entering you nickname as name on your Live profile. http://profile.live.com/details/Edit/Name

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Privacy settings can be changed to hide surname, I believe.

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Although if you link your account with Facebook, that name will override.

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Hey guys I  haven't been able to install Wave 4 beta yet, I get this error ALL the time. Please help:

http://i49.tinypic.com/29yrz8l.png

Thanks

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Privacy settings can be changed to hide surname, I believe.

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Used to be the case, I was looking for it, but it seems to be removed.

IT is probably bundled with one of the other privacy controls like "Personal Information", but individual control over your surname seems to be gone .

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Please enter your last name - don't worry, you choose who gets to see it.

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Originally posted by Lt.Col.DraGon
Hey guys I  haven't been able to install Wave 4 beta yet, I get this error ALL the time. Please help:

http://i49.tinypic.com/29yrz8l.png

Thanks

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Privacy settings can be changed to hide surname, I believe.

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Used to be the case, I was looking for it, but it seems to be removed.

IT is probably bundled with one of the other privacy controls like "Personal Information", but individual control over your surname seems to be gone .

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Interesting, because when you delete the surname and click save it says..

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Originally posted by Lt.Col.DraGon
Hey guys I  haven't been able to install Wave 4 beta yet, I get this error ALL the time. Please help:

http://i49.tinypic.com/29yrz8l.png

Thanks

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It's a bit stupid, what if I want to keep my name private?

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It is private - private to your list of contacts. Privacy settings can be changed to hide surname, I believe.

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You must set a surname.

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Hey guys I  haven't been able to install Wave 4 beta yet, I get this error ALL the time. Please help:

http://i49.tinypic.com/29yrz8l.png

Thanks

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It's some sort of problem with the installer. If you used the "all-in-one" installer, try clicking "choose the programs you want" on the download page and install that instead, or vice-versa.

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Of course you can set whatever 'name' you want, so I very strongly suspect many people will set a false name for the above reasons.

But this goes completely against MS intentions to rule out scams and other false identities. Because this was one of the major reasons why they made that (unbelievable crap) move (cba to give the link, but it is on one of the official blogs).

All I can say is: if you don't like it, complain as much as you can to MS and/or on all the forums and blogs you can find.

They might have done excellent work overall with this new Wave 4, but this whole 'full name' business, the lack of a decent warning that all your profile contacts will be converted to Messenger contacts (with all the privacy issues it can cause), the by default auto-installers, etc, is a complete and utterly crap move of which all I can say: What the *beeping* *beep* were they thinking (and that's even said in a polite way).

This isn't about 'getting used to changes' or 'getting rid of the old and going forward in time', or even a 'personal taste of a feature' or whatever, this is all about privacy!

And for that, dear MS, I give you .

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All I can say is: if you don't like it, complain as much as you can to MS and/or on all the forums and blogs you can find.

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They might have done excellent work overall with this new Wave 4, but this whole 'full name' business, the lack of a decent warning that all your profile contacts will be converted to Messenger contacts (with all the privacy issues it can cause), the by default auto-installers, etc, is a complete and utterly crap move of which all I can say: What the *beeping* *beep* were they thinking (and that's even said in a polite way).

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And for that, dear MS, I give you .

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All I can say is: if you don't like it, complain as much as you can to MS and/or on all the forums and blogs you can find.

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Would it work if someone made an online petition sorta thing?

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I think I'd like it more if it decided what language to show

Gotta love the smartscreen, everytime someone sends me a link I feel like having installed some kind of spyware .

When Microsoft wants to protect you, the hell they do!

wow this new messengers weird.

anyone notice they readded signature sounds?

does take a bit to get used to but works fine for me

ok iv'e had 2 crashes with it, Pressing CTRL+N crashes it ( doesnt matter what Mode its in, i can reproduce that crash )


gotta agree with Cookie, Microsoft

personally IMO they have copied AIM/ICQ7 a bit

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Originally posted by Willz
anyone notice they readded signature sounds?

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i only see the Normal sounds. 

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Originally posted by Mike

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Originally posted by Willz
anyone notice they readded signature sounds?

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Where?

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Installing now, the only put-off for me is the inability to use a nickname, but I would be shocked if that was not re-added.

great they fixed the Bug that 2009 Had, if you had MSN pinned to Taskbar, it would act like it was still running. they fixed that.

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great they fixed the Bug that 2009 Had, if you had MSN pinned to Taskbar, it would act like it was still running. they fixed that.

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How do you mean?

Just installing it on a VM now to test with a random account....kinda annoying that Photo Gallery & Movie Maker are bundled together.  I use Photo Gallery, but stick with the old version of Movie Maker (as the 'Live Movie Maker' is not much more than a sldieshow maker).

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Oh, I never particularly noticed that....I'm always signed into WLM, but on occasions when I did exit it, I'm pretty sure it didn't look like it was still funning....I may be mistaken though.

Definitely like the undocking feature for tabbed chats, I've wanted that back ever since it was removed from Messenger Plus! Live.  Natively including tabbed chatting will also mean that any nicknames will show up on them (something that irks me about Plus! tabbing)

A lot of people are gonna like the "Appear Offline to this contact" option too....as it's a little less harsh (psychologically) than blocking people....and easier than "Appearing Offline" totally.  I know people who selectively block people (cos sometimes you just don't want to talk to some people) so it would definitely be useful for them....and it's something that a lot of people have asked about before. 

Definitely like the quick status buttons too (borrowed from Guena's skin!), especially as they come up just when you hover over it, rather than having to right click like now.

Not quite such a fan of so many different things opening browsers (Edit contact for example).....I'd much prefer windows opening up within Messenger itself, but I guess it's part of the whole "Live" integration thing

I don't think it's gonna take that long to get used to from the little play I've just had with it.  All in all it looks like an improvement

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anyone notice they readded signature sounds?

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Where?

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Right click on contact > Choose Sounds

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Oh, I never particularly noticed that....I'm always signed into WLM, but on occasions when I did exit it, I'm pretty sure it didn't look like it was still funning....I may be mistaken though.

Definitely like the undocking feature for tabbed chats, I've wanted that back ever since it was removed from Messenger Plus! Live.  Natively including tabbed chatting will also mean that any nicknames will show up on them (something that irks me about Plus! tabbing)

A lot of people are gonna like the "Appear Offline to this contact" option too....as it's a little less harsh (psychologically) than blocking people....and easier than "Appearing Offline" totally.  I know people who selectively block people (cos sometimes you just don't want to talk to some people) so it would definitely be useful for them....and it's something that a lot of people have asked about before. 

Definitely like the quick status buttons too (borrowed from Guena's skin!), especially as they come up just when you hover over it, rather than having to right click like now.

Not quite such a fan of so many different things opening browsers (Edit contact for example).....I'd much prefer windows opening up within Messenger itself, but I guess it's part of the whole "Live" integration thing

I don't think it's gonna take that long to get used to from the little play I've just had with it.  All in all it looks like an improvement

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To change a contact's nickname you just press F2, same as always.

Changing your own is kinda different......it had already been established a few pages back that display names had been removed and that it would take your Windows Live name (or Facebook name if you link it up)

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Originally posted by Menthix
Although nobody is preventing you from entering you nickname as name on your Live profile. http://profile.live.com/details/Edit/Name

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Although if you link your account with Facebook, that name will override.

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Originally posted by djdannyp
To change a contact's nickname you just press F2, same as always.

Changing your own is kinda different......it had already been established a few pages back that display names had been removed and that it would take your Windows Live name (or Facebook name if you link it up)

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
All I can say is: if you don't like it, complain as much as you can to MS and/or on all the forums and blogs you can find.

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Would it work if someone made an online petition sorta thing?

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Originally posted by Nagamasa
Honestly though, I don't think most users have profile-only contacts. I mean...I actually doubt people actually use their profiles for anything. Imo, it only affects the online people who have their own identities online (I don't have fans online, so this really doesn't make a difference to me.)

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
And for that, dear MS, I give you .

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now thats a first i seen from you Cookie i can see a Lot going for Amsn or other IM clients if M$ dont change it

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PS: this isn't the first time I complain about MS either though.

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Originally posted by Kafman
Gotta love the smartscreen, everytime someone sends me a link I feel like having installed some kind of spyware .

When Microsoft wants to protect you, the hell they do!

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ok iv'e had 2 crashes with it, Pressing CTRL+N crashes it ( doesnt matter what Mode its in, i can reproduce that crash)

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Installing now, the only put-off for me is the inability to use a nickname, but I would be shocked if that was not re-added.

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yeah i have it ticked.

I've made a tiny script that skips SmartScreen if anyone's interested: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/80058

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Yeah, that's another thing people were complaining about during the private beta. You can't turn it off... And although it will protect a lot of less pc-literate people (which is what it is for) and as such is a great feature, there are still people who know what they are doing and for them this is unfortunatly again a step towards leaving Messenger all together for their business. Hopefully this will change by the time the final version is released.

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From what I was just looking up about the SmartFilter on WLM (I haven't tested it yet, my VM crashed and was DeepFrozen ), it said that the SmartFilter redirect only pops up if it can't verify the website, same as IE's own SmartFilter...or is that not the case?

I noticed the virus scanner option having been removed.....does  this impact on the ability of sending Zips/Exes?

The problem is they are redirecting *all* links through their own service. True, only if something smells fishy you will see anything SmartFilter related on the screen, but in the background all links you click are redirected through their own servers when you click them.

IE's SmartFilter works differently. IE keeps a database of a list of known bad sites. Updates for that list are automatically downloaded, usually when you open your browser window. Each url you visit is checked against the database of bad sites locally, but if the site isn't known to be bad IE's SmartFilter will never report back to Microsoft's servers telling them all the sites you have visited. That's why there is a separate form to "Report this site as a phishing/scam site".

Messenger on the other hand will send every link you click to Microsoft's server. That will enable them to see if any strange links are suddenly be distributed over Messenger on a large scale, but it creates a privacy concern, and makes any link you click load slower. Not to mention if the really wanted to be annoying they could inject a frame with advertising to any site you visit from Messenger. We already saw Digg.com doing such things... Twitter announced they will start forcing all links to go through their own URL shorter too... It's a creepy thing, basically these companies are now in full control of a large portion of the links you click day in and out.

Rafael Rivera wrote a good post on it: Live Messenger and the “link harvesting black box in the sky”

Oh, I was under the impression that stuff would be popping up on the screen the whole time.....I don't really care if Microsoft want to harvest sent/received links.....like you said, the information all goes through their servers anyway.

I think if they start injecting advertising frames or the like, then it would start to get annoying......but I see it as a positive if it helps stop those annoying link viruses and spam contacts whilst not directly impact on the end user's experience

what about some beta version from msn plus? i had locked my conversations and now i cant do this without it....

I'm sure that Patchou is working on a compatible version as we speak to give as much added functionality as he can, before continuing the development of Messenger Plus! Live 5.  It could take a few weeks though, remember it's been out under 24 hours and unless he's had a private beta to work on then it could take a bit of time.  Just be patient

thank you very much djdannyp!!!

very nice work, although i had a problem....when i signed in my contacts could not see me online, i send them messages, they were receiving normally buy i couldn't receive from them....

so i did this: i opened EVERY contact SEPARATELY , and checked appear offlineto each one!, and re-checked appear online, then anyone could see me online, and i could normally receive all the messages

It probably just takes a while to all sync up once you sign into the new one.

I tried it on a test account and it took a while for things to happen.

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Not to mention if the really wanted to be annoying they could inject a frame with advertising to any site you visit from Messenger.

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I've made a tiny script that skips SmartScreen if anyone's interested: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/80058

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Is anyone else having an issue integrating facebook to Messenger? All I get when I put my email and pw is a blank screen with the button "Close" on the bottom. Is there any way to fix this?

edit: nvm I trid it using managing services and it worked

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See that link below the warning: "Advertise". They are gonna put some ads there

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Will be released a compatible Plus! for WLM 2010 Beta?

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Will be released a compatible Plus! for WLM 2010 Beta?

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Originally posted by djdannyp
I'm sure that Patchou is working on a compatible version as we speak to give as much added functionality as he can, before continuing the development of Messenger Plus! Live 5.  It could take a few weeks though, remember it's been out under 24 hours and unless he's had a private beta to work on then it could take a bit of time.  Just be patient

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Just curious, did anyone see huge ads as we saw in screenshots of the older builds? If so, which country are you in?



Heard of one case where someone actually saw the insane ad size in the public beta (15.3.2804.607). Would be extremely annoying if they are still planning to actually use those. I know, ad hiding, but do they really want to scare users away?

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Just curious, did anyone see huge ads as we saw in screenshots of the older builds?

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Couple problems I'm experiencing...

#1. It appears you can't talk to contacts when you're appearing offline, though they can talk to you.

If it's true that the block feature has been replaced by 'appear offline to', not very good if the 'blocked' contact can still talk to you. Bug?

#2. I've connected my Windows Live account to Facebook and YouTube, however no updates from either are showing in Highlights, Recent, Photos, etc.

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Originally posted by Menthix
Just curious, did anyone see huge ads as we saw in screenshots of the older builds? If so, which country are you in?

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Originally posted by Chris4
It appears you can't talk to contacts when you're appearing offline, though they can talk to you.

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Originally posted by Chris4
If it's true that the block feature has been replaced by 'appear offline to', not very good if the 'blocked' contact can still talk to you. Bug?

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I wouldn't read into that too much. It is the generic Windows Live footer, same as on http://home.live.com/ for example.

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Originally posted by Chris4
#1. It appears you can't talk to contacts when you're appearing offline, though they can talk to you.

If it's true that the block feature has been replaced by 'appear offline to', not very good if the 'blocked' contact can still talk to you. Bug?

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Originally posted by Menthix
But if people can still talk to you when you appear offline to them, how to make people STFU without deleting them immediately?

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"It is not possible to send messages to your friends if you're appearing offline to them.  Online for [person] | Online for all"

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Stop acting like these are set in stone, start emailing people and start complaining to the right people

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Just curious, did anyone see huge ads as we saw in screenshots of the older builds? If so, which country are you in?

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Originally posted by Menthix

I don't see any advantage in the new approach compared to how it used to work. Selectively appearing offline to people is nice... but why would you have to appear online to someone before you can message them? Even when you're sending an offline message to someone who isn't signed in to Messenger at all you will have to appear online to that person first. It's like appearing online to a brick wall.

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Originally posted by Chris4
#2. I've connected my Windows Live account to Facebook and YouTube, however no updates from either are showing in Highlights, Recent, Photos, etc.

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Stop acting like these are set in stone, start emailing people and start complaining to the right people

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But what about receiving messages from people to which you are appearing offline?

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Stop acting like these are set in stone, start emailing people and start complaining to the right people

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Planning to do so, there's a notepad open with a growing file of notes . Doesn't mean I can't post my frustration here too though.

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Argh, you can indeed receive messages

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Tell them that "Sam is disappoint", they'll fix these things 1-2-3!

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Wait, you can? And I just tried it and I couldn't (see my edit few posts back).

* Menthix is confused

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Wait, you can? And I just tried it and I couldn't (see my edit few posts back).

* Menthix is confused

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I tried before with Toxn, and he didn't receive my Messages, but I'm receiving messages from my other account as if I had never blocked it

* blessedguy also is confused

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Then it just block... everyone... when appearing offline...

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Then it just block... everyone... when appearing offline...

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"Appearing Offline" and "Blocking" are the same thing in WLM 2011

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Which takes us back to 15 posts ago where I said the same thing.

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Then it just block... everyone... when appearing offline...

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"Appearing Offline" and "Blocking" are the same thing in WLM 2011

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But the case is it doesn't block, you continue to receive messages. Try it

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this messenger build crashes my computer.
I use MPC HC with direct3d fullscreen (forced fullscreen) and when opening or closing a video the computer crashes. the error file supposedly is "win32k.sys". installed latest wave3 and everything is fine! the leaked did not have this issue.

[EDIT]first post in 6 years! lol[/EDIT]

1 thing i hate about this Messenger, i cannot Message People on it on my facebook without logging onto facebook itself to send a 1 on 1 message to them ( as in a IM Message )

More thumbs down to this crap release  

something else, when i went to shut down the PC lastnight it wouldnt shutdown without me forcing it as somehting was running in the background still, only thing i could think of was the culprit was WLM2010  - turns out WLM2010 is the culprit, once i sign off from it, it doesnt actually Kill the  Process.  uses heaps of Ram to.. 57k atleast. even my Trillian Astra4.2 uses half of that

The webcam-related breakage is driving me mental. The lack of one-sided webcam viewing and apparent inability to hide the presence of your webcam (at least, I don't see the option any more) is ridiculous.

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The webcam-related breakage is driving me mental. The lack of one-sided webcam viewing and apparent inability to hide the presence of your webcam (at least, I don't see the option any more) is ridiculous.

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That's not really what I'm after, since it prevents webcam conversations entirely. I'm not talking about disabling the webcam; I'm talking about hiding that I have one (so that people don't bombard me with video call requests) but still leaving the camera itself enabled (so that I can use it at my discretion). An equivalent to this:

I see. Well I guess that's been removed along with the individual webcam feature.

Surely people don't want to video call you that bad?

Just decline the ones you don't want.

Sorry I don't have a better answer. Complain to M$ before they complete the final product.

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As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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you'll be forced to update for security reasons. unless you use a Hack or whatever to stay on that version without getting Notifications there is an update available

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Nope.

WLM 9.0 will still be supported for a long time to come (since this is the only version working on XP, the new WLM is Vista/Win7 exclusive).

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As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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you'll be forced to update for security reasons. unless you use a Hack or whatever to stay on that version without getting Notifications there is an update available

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Nope.

WLM 9.0 will still be supported for a long time to come (since this is the only version working on XP, the new WLM is Vista/Win7 exclusive).

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@DrPizza

Peter Bright! Wow fancy running into you here after reading your article on Ars.

On a more Messenger related note, I'd like to see better integration with Office. In particular, Outlook.

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As along as we can keep WLM 9.0 I;ll be happy

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you'll be forced to update for security reasons. unless you use a Hack or whatever to stay on that version without getting Notifications there is an update available

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Nope.

WLM 9.0 will still be supported for a long time to come (since this is the only version working on XP, the new WLM is Vista/Win7 exclusive).

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Surprise-surprise there. M$ releasing products which intentionally do not support older OS even their own. Last time i checked Win XP is still supported by M$. Billy ran out of money?

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Originally posted by ICQ
yeah on XP it will be supported for a long time, but im sure if one has Win7 and or Vista they'll force the update

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uses heaps of Ram to.. 57k atleast. even my Trillian Astra4.2 uses half of that

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
errrrrr... 57K is extremely little.

Also, Vista uses a completely different memory model than XP. In fact, you should be happy that Messenger (or any other program for that matter) uses as much memory as it can. For stuff like this, the more memory is used the less stuff needs to be swapped to the hard disk. Swapping to hard disk is extremely resource intensive, and a hell lot slower than using memory.

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The link to 'choose the programs you want' appears to have been removed.

They replaced the all-in-one installer with the 'choose what you want' installer.

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Originally posted by ICQ
1 thing i hate about this Messenger, i cannot Message People on it on my facebook without logging onto facebook itself to send a 1 on 1 message to them ( as in a IM Message )

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@MarcoisaFool -- good news for you regarding XMPP and Facebook Chat integration.  Like we announced a few weeks ago and again earlier this week with the new Messenger iPhone app, Facebook Chat (via XMPP) *is* coming and will be available later this year.   This will let you do Facebook Chat natively from the Messenger Client, from WebIM in Hotmail and throughout Skydrive and our other web sites, and via the Messenger iPhone app.   stay tuned

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Surprise-surprise there. M$ releasing products which intentionally do not support older OS even their own. Last time i checked Win XP is still supported by M$. Billy ran out of money?

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Uses around 50,000K on here... I'm happy with that... it was expected

EDIT: Anyone found a way to hide offline facebook contacts? Having over 500 makes it hard to find people that are online

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Facebook chat isn't integrated yet, but it will come.

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Originally posted by Spunky
Uses around 50,000K on here... I'm happy with that... it was expected

EDIT: Anyone found a way to hide offline facebook contacts? Having over 500 makes it hard to find people that are online

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Originally posted by ICQ
but you'd think they would of had it ready at the first beta.  why release a Half baked app to the public?

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Originally posted by Spunky
EDIT: Anyone found a way to hide offline facebook contacts? Having over 500 makes it hard to find people that are online

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Cookie: Your very knowledgeable about the way Live works. Can you tell me exactly were to complain?

To answer myself a few posts back, yes the huge ads are still here:



I didn't see them before. Guess they are still testing with it, serving both sizes from time to time.
* If you click on the X on the conversation window ad it will return to a regular text link ad. But the next time you open a new conversation window it will be a huge graphical ad again .
* The square ad is only there in social mode, not in messenger mode.
* If you see a square ad in social mode, when you make the window smaller (in height) it will at some point return to a regular sized ad.

I could get used to the square ad in social mode, as long as it will never appear in messenger mode. In social mode it would mostly be blank space otherwise anyway (although I would rather hide the right panel completely). But the big ad in conversation windows feels very out of place.
I bet they are tracking performance on those ads during beta, so click the X as much as possible and don't click the huge ads . And posting feedback (see below) works, they already changed the automatic installer

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Can you tell me exactly were to complain?

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I've made a tiny script that skips SmartScreen if anyone's interested: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/80058

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i barely use WLM so i dont care for Ads

ok i just filed a Bug report about my problem, lets see if its fixed in the next Beta. ( assuming there will be one )

to send a Bug just click on

Help > Send Feedback

WLM now using 64MB Ram .

Is it just me, or is there no arrow for us to switch between tabbed conversations (nor any other way to scroll through the chats except for clicking the arrow)?

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Originally posted by Nagamasa
Is it just me, or is there no arrow for us to switch between tabbed conversations (nor any other way to scroll through the chats except for clicking the arrow)?

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Originally posted by Nagamasa
(nor any other way to scroll through the chats except for clicking the arrow)?

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this is to funny   how could this be? WLM taking more Ram than firefox

Well it is a Beta

not all features of the beta are even enabled yet, so beware that it may use More Ram still once the final is out

but so far its hovering around 67MB Ram

Well the one I'm running 9.0 is using 92k and that's average really

Edit: I've installed the beta on my 'experimenting' computer. If I sign-in will it fuck up my name on my 9.0 version on my laptop ?

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Originally posted by Chrissy
Well the one I'm running 9.0 is using 92k and that's average really

Edit: I've installed the beta on my 'experimenting' computer. If I sign-in will it fuck up my name on my 9.0 version on my laptop ?

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I can, but I didn't ask that?

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I can, but I didn't ask that?

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First impressions

• Even in compact view the contacts list is ugly (like spread over the page)
  
• No nicknames
  
• Ads are to big and in your face
  
• Layout seems odd and award :/

Complaining about RAM usage is just silly. I would like most programs to use more RAM. I have 8GB in this machine and it hardly ever gets used even for 50% .

Whatever is loaded in RAM doesn't have to be loaded from disk. RAM is a lot faster than a harddisk. As long as memory management is smart enough to cut back on usage when  space is running out. Smart usage of available RAM will only make an app faster.

We don't live in the days anymore when everything had to fit in 640k.

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Originally posted by Chrissy
Even in compact view the contacts list is ugly (like spread over the page)

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Aye, but the window is not maximized

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Originally posted by ICQ
this is to funny   how could this be? WLM taking more Ram than firefox

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Anyone using the new beta, the way I am seeing it, you cannot contact your facebook contacts unless they are on your messenger list also? And secondly in the social section is there a way of stopping posts from specific facebook users coming up or not?

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you cannot contact your facebook contacts unless they are on your messenger list also?

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Originally posted by http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windowslive/archive/2010/06/23/announcing-the-new-windows-live-essentials-beta.aspx#comments
good news for you regarding XMPP and Facebook Chat integration.  Like we announced a few weeks ago and again earlier this week with the new Messenger iPhone app, Facebook Chat (via XMPP) *is* coming and will be available later this year.   This will let you do Facebook Chat natively from the Messenger Client, from WebIM in Hotmail and throughout Skydrive and our other web sites, and via the Messenger iPhone app.   stay tuned

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Don't know if this bug is said before:

I always need to install the platform update on my Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 64-bit system and the update is already installed (KB971644)

I already uninstalled those updates, rebooted machine, reinstalled them again, a new reboot,....

Retried to install the new Essentials Beta again, it says again to install the Platform Update

Solution?

Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by Menthix
Complaining about RAM usage is just silly. I would like most programs to use more RAM. I have 8GB in this machine and it hardly ever gets used even for 50% .

Whatever is loaded in RAM doesn't have to be loaded from disk. RAM is a lot faster than a harddisk. As long as memory management is smart enough to cut back on usage when  space is running out. Smart usage of available RAM will only make an app faster.

We don't live in the days anymore when everything had to fit in 640k

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this is beyond a Joke now.. no wonder i had a Nvidia kernel crash

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Originally posted by DrPizza
Computers don't actually work that way.

That said, if the new Messenger is using anything like WPF or DXVA video acceleration it could in principle exacerbate video driver instability.

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Originally posted by ICQ

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Originally posted by DrPizza
Computers don't actually work that way.

That said, if the new Messenger is using anything like WPF or DXVA video acceleration it could in principle exacerbate video driver instability.

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i didnt just dream this kernel crash. it happend

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well yeah i basically have messenger sitting on the taskbar  waiting or someone to reply to a facebook message

I just want to keep the old messenger and update the live mail and such, but when I run the new beta, it wants to update my messenger

Is there a possibilty I can keep the old messenger and update the other programs?

Thanks!

another Bug i found with WLM2010 in facebook, if a person has removed you as a friend that friendthats removed you stays in the facebook account an there's no way to remove it

that friend that removed me, has been removed from my Trillian Astra,

I'm definitely not a fan - after I've installed it I can send messages to my contacts but never receive any back. Lame.

i cant even send messages to my facebook people via WLM2010 ( i just hope in the final i can or it'll be an uninstall )

no I was talking to TReKiE the other day and he said it's not active yet. I just found that it will receive messages on one of my computers but not the other - now I get to hunt around for the reason! hoorah.

well lets hope they fix my bug . hope there will be another beta build

there's lots of bugs - I've now discovered that this message sending issue is weirder than i thought. I have it installed on 2 PCs

If i sign in first on PC1 it won't receive messages.
If I sign in on PC2 PC2 will receive messages.
If I sign in on PC1 while signed into PC2 both will receive messages.
If I sign out of PC2 and stay signed in on PC1 then PC1 will still receive messages correctly.

SO it appears that I have to sign into PC2 before I sign into PC1 or PC1 won't work correctly lol.

Goodness knows why that's occurring.

weird bug

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Originally posted by Eddie
you cannot contact your facebook contacts unless they are on your messenger list also?

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Facebook chat isn't added yet, is still coming.

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Originally posted by http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windowslive/archive/2010/06/23/announcing-the-new-windows-live-essentials-beta.aspx#comments
good news for you regarding XMPP and Facebook Chat integration.  Like we announced a few weeks ago and again earlier this week with the new Messenger iPhone app, Facebook Chat (via XMPP) *is* coming and will be available later this year.   This will let you do Facebook Chat natively from the Messenger Client, from WebIM in Hotmail and throughout Skydrive and our other web sites, and via the Messenger iPhone app.   stay tuned

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Nice, I'm now having the same problem. My girlfriend's messages aren't coming through in new Messenger. She can do video calls fine. And she can see my messages. But nothing she types is coming through to me. WTF.

has she got 2009 or 2010?

an have you filed the Bug?

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Originally posted by Menthix

* If you click on the X on the conversation window ad it will return to a regular text link ad. But the next time you open a new conversation window it will be a huge graphical ad again .

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Originally posted by Nagamasa
Actually, just found how to turn it off today: just turn off "show expanded footers in conversation windows".

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Originally posted by ICQ
has she got 2009 or 2010?

an have you filed the Bug?

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Originally posted by DrPizza
She's using 2009. No, I've not filed a bug for this particular issue.

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LOL @ Expanded footer

I got a problem.
I keep getting "you have 1 invitation" when i open messenger 15.3.2804.607, if i press on it on my windows live page says i got no invitation.
Sometimes happened with msn 2009 i use to go to user/appdata/windows live contacts/ and delete the stuff in there, msn recreated the users list in the next log in, and all was fine.
But now this doesn't work anymore, anyone knows where the contacts are stored now???

I very stronly suggest to anyone who is having a problem (even a small one) with the new version, to report their issues via the official channels.

Complaining here (or on other non-official MS forums) will not do you any good and, maybe more important, it will not do Messenger and other people having the same issues any good...

Issues can only get fixed if MS knows about it.
(and there is plenty to fix in this Beta)

So, head over to http://windowslivehelp.com/product.aspx?productid=2
Pick the correct subforum, search quickly if your issue isn't already talked about somewhere, and post your stuff...

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i dont have that bottom Box , would that be because im using WLM with facebook to?

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What is up with this new MSN beta?

I can't see a way to change my screen name, both layouts (full and compact view) are horrible, sometimes I can't see the person-I'm-talking-to's DP and they can't see mine.

Only thing I like is tabbed conversations.

Everything else seems like a step back.

In the new WLM you cannot change your nickname. You can ONLY use your Full Name.

I also hate this feature. Please tell them what you think:

http://feedback.live.com/

If a lot of people do, they will get the point and maybe change it!

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
What is up with this new MSN beta?

I can't see a way to change my screen name, both layouts (full and compact view) are horrible, sometimes I can't see the person-I'm-talking-to's DP and they can't see mine.

Only thing I like is tabbed conversations.

Everything else seems like a step back.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
What is up with this new MSN beta?

I can't see a way to change my screen name, both layouts (full and compact view) are horrible, sometimes I can't see the person-I'm-talking-to's DP and they can't see mine.

Only thing I like is tabbed conversations.

Everything else seems like a step back.

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The compact view is virtually exactly the same as WLM 2009

Also, I don't think they'll be removing the lack of display name as it's partly to tie in with the social integration which seems to be with big thing with the new release

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
Compact view basically has all of the people in the contacts lists crunched together, in the original it just listed them top to bottom, so at least I could see their full screen name / PM without having to hover my cursor over them.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare

The lack of the display name change is just stupid. It means I'm stuck with the previous screen name I had in the MSN before I upgraded to this beta.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
Compact view basically has all of the people in the contacts lists crunched together, in the original it just listed them top to bottom, so at least I could see their full screen name / PM without having to hover my cursor over them.

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I don't know what compact view you're looking at, but this is it:



Exactly the same as before!  Perhaps try the contact list layout options if yours doesn't look right?

And having to mouse-over won't be a problem once everyone is using it and has their real name rather than a long display name

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare

The lack of the display name change is just stupid. It means I'm stuck with the previous screen name I had in the MSN before I upgraded to this beta.

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Your name on it will be whatever your name is set to in your Windows Live Profile (it may take a moment or two to update).  If you want to change it, then change your name in there.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
I'm annoyed with these 'social integrations' going into everything, not that I'm anti-social, just some privacy issues amongst other things.

I'm also someone who frequently changes my screen name depending on what I'm doing, also it's easier to read / more noticeable than a PM.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
I'm annoyed with these 'social integrations' going into everything, not that I'm anti-social, just some privacy issues amongst other things.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
I'm also someone who frequently changes my screen name depending on what I'm doing, also it's easier to read / more noticeable than a PM.

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You don't have to use the social integrations, so what's the problem? Like mentioned, there's a compact mode (like it's always been) and a social mode.

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Using WLM 2009 maximised (full screen is the wrong term) leaves you with a LOT of blank space though.  If you don't want the social stuff, don't maximise if you don't want the social stuff......and then just make compact as wide as you want it to be when it's restored down

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Originally posted by Chrissy
You can't use the compact mode in full screen..

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by Chrissy
You can't use the compact mode in full screen..

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Why would you want to maximise a list of vertical contacts?

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Originally posted by Chrissy

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You can't use the compact mode in full screen..

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Why would you want to maximise a list of vertical contacts?

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So your attention is focused on Messenger and not any background windows..

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Notice how it's exactly the opposite when Apple bring out something new .  Everyone creams over how amazing it is, how it has all these "new features" (NB: These are the same as the "problems" that people report with Microsoft stuff!)....I guess the parity here is that your average Apple user knows what they're talking about and can accept things moving on

No, I just prefer looking at the window maximized. Telling people to stop moaning isn't going to stop them.

All those newbs that download the new WLM when it's out will hate it, and Live will have to face the fact that it needs major changing.

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Originally posted by djdannyp

Notice how it's exactly the opposite when Apple bring out something new .  Everyone creams over how amazing it is, how it has all these "new features" (NB: These are the same as the "problems" that people report with Microsoft stuff!)....I guess the parity here is that your average Apple user knows what they're talking about and can accept things moving on

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Originally posted by Chrissy
All those newbs that download the new WLM when it's out will hate it, and Live will have to face the fact that it needs major changing.

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare

I'm annoyed with these 'social integrations' going into everything, not that I'm anti-social, just some privacy issues amongst other things.

I'm also someone who frequently changes my screen name depending on what I'm doing, also it's easier to read / more noticeable than a PM.

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Originally posted by breath
Still it's not activated but there will be a limited friend option to choose which friends can see what.

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Originally posted by Chrissy

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Originally posted by Chris4

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You can't use the compact mode in full screen..

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Why would you want to maximise a list of vertical contacts?

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So your attention is focused on Messenger and not any background windows..

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Do you have ADHD or something?  It's REALLY not very hard to look at the contact list window....and it's not like you sit staring at it .

Basically it's just people picking fault where there isn't really any, just the same as happens everytime a new version is released....because despite using one of the quickest changing mediums in the world (technology) some people are insistent on not wanting anything to change and wanting things to always stay how they are....and equating change with things getting worse.

People need to quit their whining .  It's the same old song and dance as every single time a new version Messenger's come out for as along as I can remember.  Yes, there are a few GENUINE problems (show me a beta product that doesn't and I'll show you a finished product), but most of what people are moaning about aren't problems, they're just change.

Notice how it's exactly the opposite when Apple bring out something new .  Everyone creams over how amazing it is, how it has all these "new features" (NB: These are the same as the "problems" that people report with Microsoft stuff!)....I guess the parity here is that your average Apple user knows what they're talking about and can accept things moving on

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Originally posted by breath
Still it's not activated but there will be a limited friend option to choose which friends can see what.

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There was a "profile only friends" limited group, but Microsoft removed it.
There was a privacy setting to not show your last name, but Microsoft removed it.
You were able to set your own name to whatever you like (not forced to first and last name), but Microsoft removed it.

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Originally posted by breath
If you have problem type whatever you want in the first name, and a dot in the last name...

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Originally posted by breath
If you have problem type whatever you want in the first name, and a dot in the last name...

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...and in the mean time profile-only contacts are also converted to full 'friends', instead of limited friends. Which again, results in possible privacy issues. Although you first have to confirm this move on your profile.

[rant start] But what is actually happening behind the scenes and what the consequences might be of this move isn't well known ('hidden' behind some links and not very clear blahblah, which a lot of people would never read anyways since we all know how much people click on small 'read more' or 'help' links before actually pressing on a big button saying "click here now" (so to speak)) [/rant]

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by Chrissy
You can't use the compact mode in full screen..

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Why would you want to maximise a list of vertical contacts?

Well, they do now spread horizontally if you expand the width of the window rather than maximise. Just do that if you really want it bigger.

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So what's missing from 2009? Display names for sure. Don't believe I saw any animated gifs in the conversation windows. Backgrounds were cut right, same with window colors? (Aside from when viewing pictures)

Also seems like I couldn't talk to anyone while appearing offline, and I'd mention "View Webcam" but they removed that from 2009 as well.

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Originally posted by breath
If you have problem type whatever you want in the first name, and a dot in the last name...

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You can do that, we've already been over that. But it doesn't solve any of the real important issues:

* People's full names will still be shown once they install the new Messenger without them being warned about it. This is a privacy issue.
* There is still no setting to hide my last name even though the Live site claims there is. Even when they add the limited friends group, as long as there is no privacy control for your name this doesn't change anything.

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well i gotta say, im liking Trillian even more than i ever have seeing this load of crap from Microsoft

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Originally posted by breath
You can set to not show your contact information, you can even set to show them to "Just me".

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Originally posted by breath
put a blank space in your last name as you said

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Originally posted by breath
The first thing that appears when you log in the new messenger is the status with your name

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Originally posted by breath
as far as i can hide it

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Originally posted by breath
in other social networks

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Originally posted by ICQ
im liking Trillian even more than i ever have seeing this load of crap from Microsoft

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Originally posted by Menthix
Ironically using Trillian you will still show up with your real name to your contacts using Messenger 2010. Most people probably won't even be aware of that until one of their contacts tells them.

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Originally posted by ICQ
i dont see people on my facebook using there real name

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Originally posted by djdannyp
They're doing it wrong

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Doesn't mmatter which ptotocol version you use. It matters what protocol your contacts use.

Large corporations and their motives doesn't mean we should blindly swallow whatever they push down our throat.

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Originally posted by Menthix
Doesn't matter which ptotocol version you use. It matters what protocol your contacts use.

Large corporations and their motives doesn't mean we should blindly swallow whatever they push down our throat.

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Originally posted by ICQ
the majority of my contacts use WLM2009 still

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Originally posted by Menthix
Obviously that number will only go up.

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Well if the fact that you can change it to whatever you want = not showing your personal info, isn't enough for you, i presume you shouldn't use it.
I understand it can be a problem for you, but it's something personal.
Don't wanna show your name, change it. Easier seems impossible.

If you wanna use your real name, there is really no need to hide it.

So as i see it:
-You want to use your real name, you put it into your info.
-You don't want to use your real name, you don't put it into your info.

I don't see any obligation.

Plus we are talking about a beta, there are flaws and it's supposed to be so, probably some flaws are really huge. If you don't want to take the risk you should never use beta of any softwares, it's normal.

For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage), when there are issues like the process msnmsgr,exe not closing when you close msn. This is really a deal breaker, one of the reason I could switch back to 2009.

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Originally posted by breath
Easier seems impossible.

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Originally posted by breath
Plus we are talking about a beta, there are flaws and it's supposed to be so, probably some flaws are really huge. If you don't want to take the risk you should never use beta of any softwares, it's normal.

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Wait, what!? Sure, everybody has different priorities. But caused by wrong usage? By who? It is now my fault I filled in my last name because Microsoft told me not to worry and I told Microsoft to not publish the last name, but months later Microsoft "simplifies" their privacy controls and decided that last name I told Microsoft is private is now public information??

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Originally posted by breath
I will also point out that you agreed with that in the Microsoft’s Terms of Use. Naturally if you pressed I agree when you registered, else you couldn't register.

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Originally posted by Menthix
but months later Microsoft "simplifies" their privacy controls and decided that last name I told Microsoft is private is now public information

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Originally posted by breath
Again you are talking about msn 2009. Keeps using it, if you have problems with the beta.

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by breath
I will also point out that you agreed with that in the Microsoft’s Terms of Use. Naturally if you pressed I agree when you registered, else you couldn't register.

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The terms I agreed with when I registered are not the terms they are using now. Hence:

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Originally posted by Menthix
but months later Microsoft "simplifies" their privacy controls and decided that last name I told Microsoft is private is now public information

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Originally posted by breath
Again you are talking about msn 2009. Keeps using it, if you have problems with the beta.

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Using Messenger 2009 won't prevent people in any way from showing up with their full name to their contacts. (like people explained here before)

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Originally posted by ICQ

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Originally posted by djdannyp
They're doing it wrong

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i dont think so Danny

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Originally posted by breath
Well if the fact that you can change it to whatever you want = not showing your personal info, isn't enough for you, i presume you shouldn't use it.
I understand it can be a problem for you, but it's something personal.
Don't wanna show your name, change it. Easier seems impossible.

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Originally posted by breath
Plus we are talking about a beta, there are flaws and it's supposed to be so, probably some flaws are really huge. If you don't want to take the risk you should never use beta of any softwares, it's normal.

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Originally posted by breath

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Wait, what!? Sure, everybody has different priorities. But caused by wrong usage? By who? It is now my fault I filled in my last name because Microsoft told me not to worry and I told Microsoft to not publish the last name, but months later Microsoft "simplifies" their privacy controls and decided that last name I told Microsoft is private is now public information??

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Again you are talking about msn 2009. Keeps using it, if you have problems with the beta.

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Originally posted by breath
The terms are the same, if the terms change you get a new advice and you have to agree again. In them you agree to give some personal information and agree to show them through the network.

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With wrong usage I mean:
-Accepting a condition where you give booth the approval to collect and show the information that you would like to hide;
"At some Microsoft sites, we ask you to provide personal information, such as your e-mail address, name, home or work address, or telephone number. We may also collect demographic information, such as your ZIP code, age, gender, preferences, interests and favorites. If you choose to make a purchase or sign up for a paid subscription service, we will ask for additional information, such as your credit card number and billing address, which is used to create a Microsoft billing account."

-Put the information you want to hide in a profile you accepted to be showed in the network.
"Microsoft collects and uses your personal information to operate and improve its sites and services. These uses may include providing you with more effective customer service; making the sites or services easier to use by eliminating the need for you to repeatedly enter the same information; performing research and analysis aimed at improving our products, services and technologies; and displaying content and advertising that are customized to your interests and preferences. For more information about the use of information for advertising, see the Display of Advertising section below."



Then you shouldn't have put your real name first/last on your profile agreeing with those terms.

I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm saying that they got your approval to do that when you agreed those terms, so you can't really do nothing else then unregister and stop using it, if you don't like it.

I understand your point, even if you don't seem to be willing to understand my point, but the only thing you can do if you don't like it is to, stop to use it, give them a feedback, and hope for a change that you will like.

I don't see really a lot of difference between Live and the other social networks, I'd say that Live made the microsoft social network really the same of the others, not saying that it's good, it's just really really similar atm.

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Originally posted by breath
With wrong usage I mean:
-Accepting a condition where you give booth the approval to collect and show the information that you would like to hide;
"At some Microsoft sites, we ask you to provide personal information, such as your e-mail address, name, home or work address, or telephone number. We may also collect demographic information, such as your ZIP code, age, gender, preferences, interests and favorites. If you choose to make a purchase or sign up for a paid subscription service, we will ask for additional information, such as your credit card number and billing address, which is used to create a Microsoft billing account."

-Put the information you want to hide in a profile you accepted to be showed in the network.
"Microsoft collects and uses your personal information to operate and improve its sites and services. These uses may include providing you with more effective customer service; making the sites or services easier to use by eliminating the need for you to repeatedly enter the same information; performing research and analysis aimed at improving our products, services and technologies; and displaying content and advertising that are customized to your interests and preferences. For more information about the use of information for advertising, see the Display of Advertising section below."

Then you shouldn't have put your real name first/last on your profile agreeing with those terms.

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Originally posted by breath
I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm saying that they got your approval to do that when you agreed those terms

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Originally posted by breath
... so you can't really do nothing else then unregister and stop using it, if you don't like it.
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but the only thing you can do if you don't like it is to, stop to use it, give them a feedback, and hope for a change that you will like.

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Originally posted by breath
I understand your point, even if you don't seem to be willing to understand my point,

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Originally posted by breath
I don't see really a lot of difference between Live and the other social networks, I'd say that Live made the microsoft social network really the same of the others, not saying that it's good, it's just really really similar atm.

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Off topic and probably already discussed but is there a msgplus for the new windows live messenger beta? if not i shall not partake in this until then!

hey all, iv installed windows live essential beta 4

and this is what i get





(click images to enlarge)

im really frustrated and i  want to know why do i get a blank screen ?

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Originally posted by xratedxr
hey all, iv installed windows live essential beta 4

and this is what i get





(click images to enlarge)

im really frustrated and i  want to know why do i get a blank screen ?

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i don't get it what you mean? its the latest beta version though

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Originally posted by vincerooney
Off topic and probably already discussed but is there a msgplus for the new windows live messenger beta? if not i shall not partake in this until then!

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Originally posted by xratedxr
i don't get it what you mean? its the latest beta version though

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by xratedxr
i don't get it what you mean? its the latest beta version though

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I'm sorry but you will receive no support it because it's a beta version and therefore has many bugs and problems. Just use WLM 2009. This has to be repeated every time there's a new beta...

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does the essentials beta work on windows vista Home premium sp1?

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Originally posted by suhas
does the essentials beta work on windows vista Home premium sp1?

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Just install SP2 and it will. There is no reason to hold that one off... service packs are free and fix bugs.

Went back to the better previous version.

Somebody call me back when Microsoft makes an actual upgrade, not "LOL FACEBOOK, PRIVACY ISSUES AND A SHITLOAD OF BUGS!"

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
Went back to the better previous version.

Somebody call me back when Microsoft makes an actual upgrade, not "LOL FACEBOOK, PRIVACY ISSUES AND A SHITLOAD OF BUGS!"

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
LOL FACEBOOK, PRIVACY ISSUES AND A SHITLOAD OF BUGS!

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Originally posted by blessedguy

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Originally posted by IReallyDontCare
LOL FACEBOOK, PRIVACY ISSUES AND A SHITLOAD OF BUGS!

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Hence beta.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

Take it or leave it? Sure (although the 'damage' is already done for existing users)...

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mind the single quotes...

The 'damage' done = your private data (real name) which got revealed without your approval = form of privacy invasion.

And yes, showing your real name can be 'damaging' to some people. It is not because you might not care who knows your real name, that there are no people who do care and take private settings more seriously or are/were carefull about who knows and sees what.

I quoted 1 sentence only cause his post was big and posting it again doesn't make reading the thread easy.

Well if I have a friend, and he tells my name to someone else, I can get angry to him, but I don't think he will care a lot. Telling the name to someone else isn't as bad as you describe it.

I don't see any concrete damage, I see only your will to not show it, so 1. Don't agree with those terms, 2. Don't write your real name.

We are circling here. 99% of the cases of people not be willing to show their names is caused by trolling and scamming.
As in my list of friends none whined or cared about showing his name.

By the way, I'm not saying, It's not a damage for you, I'm saying, even if I try to think about it I don't see how this can be damaging for me or any normal user, that doesn't want to do bad stuff with his account.

If you wanna make of this a principle, "they don't have to cause I didn't want to", then I'll say, you are right, they could have been more clear.

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Originally posted by breath
We are circling here. 99% of the cases of people not be willing to show their names is caused by trolling and scamming.
As in my list of friends none whined or cared about showing his name.

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people get you real Name , look you up in the Phonebook an Prank you .

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Originally posted by breath
By the way, I'm not saying, It's not a damage for you, I'm saying, even if I try to think about it I don't see how this can be damaging for me or any normal user, that doesn't want to do bad stuff with his account.

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Originally posted by breath
I don't see any concrete damage, I see only your will to not show it, so 1. Don't agree with those terms, 2. Don't write your real name.

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Originally posted by breath
By the way, I'm not saying, It's not a damage for you, I'm saying, even if I try to think about it I don't see how this can be damaging for me or any normal user, that doesn't want to do bad stuff with his account.

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With this Wave 4 release, I can see Microsoft switching to a new 'Messenger' model.

Over the last 10 years, Microsoft has been using the traditional Messenger name settings, without a real name being required. You can put anything you want on the name, calling a 'Nickname'.

But, folks, times has changed. Social networks like Facebook are here, and most people (including me) are using WLM for contact only friends, family and coleagues (so, no need to hide real names anymore). Also, Messenger use for meet new people are also dissapearing. It's like Facebook, and even like Twitter, where you don't have scary about putting your real name. In fact, it's just work like this.

If you want, you can stay on the old Messenger version, where you can put anything you want on the Nickname field. But, the new Messenger and the new Windows Live doesn't just allow that anymore. Now it works only with real names. Just watch any other Microsoft products related to this:

- Windows Phone 7
- Outlook 2010 (and the social connectors)
- Windows Live Messenger for iPhone and iPod Touch
- Windows Live Hotmail

So, I don't see the Nickname changing returning back. And, in fact, it just Ok for me. And I see will be fine to most people.

On other side, it seems that the Software has still some serious bugs. Despite some people recommend it to install, I'll wait to a new build before applying to my computers:

http://www.neowin.net/news/a-month-with-windows-live-messenger-wave-4

Cheers (and sorry my english).

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Originally posted by Jolo
If you want, you can stay on the old Messenger version, where you can put anything you want on the Nickname field.

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Originally posted by Menthix
For the 16th million time: Using old Messnger versions (or even third party clients) doen't mean your contacts using Messenger 2010/2011 won't see your full name.

Read the entire thread before you start discussing something which has been repated over and over again.

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I love the new msn. Will there be any other version before it is released ? or only 1 beta ?

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Originally posted by Spazy
I love the new msn. Will there be any other version before it is released ? or only 1 beta ?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by riahc4

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Originally posted by Menthix
For the 16th million time: Using old Messnger versions (or even third party clients) doen't mean your contacts using Messenger 2010/2011 won't see your full name.

Read the entire thread before you start discussing something which has been repated over and over again.

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The thread is 25 pages deep...You cant expect everyone to rear the entire thread thru.

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You don't need to read the entire thread to know that. What Menthix said is repeated on almost every 'page'!!

In fact, I just repeated it yet again in the post right before Jolo's. Showing that he didn't read aynthing at all, making Menthix's comments more than justified. It is exactly stuff like that (not reading even the few last posts) which makes threads unneeded long. So yes, if you want to discuss something (or give tips) you can expect people to at least read a few 'pages'. You don't jump right into a conversation either without knowing what has already been said IRL either.

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Microsoft just send me a mail advising me to "upgrade" to the new Beta...
Apparently I'm not cool when I keep running WLM2009
Seems to me MS doesn't really care about the problems users could experience running beta software...

the dutch ad...

I don't ever recall Microsoft making a change when requested by the community, in the end it is going to be a minority that complain about things like a Full Name showing up, so it will not be changed, its a fact of life.

Does the new update support WLM 2011 beta? I'm not that certain but as far as the version code is concern; if one of the 2 middle number change it means that it supports a new version or platform but if the last three change it means theres a bug fix?

Any idea?

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Originally posted by YuMaNuMa
Does the new update support WLM 2011 beta?

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Originally posted by YuMaNuMa
if one of the 2 middle number change it means that it supports a new version or platform but if the last three change it means theres a bug fix?

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Originally posted by http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/changelog/
Messenger Plus! Live 4.85.386 (19/07/2010)

• Microsoft recently released a beta version of Messenger 2010/2011 (Wave 4). Although Messenger Plus! is not compatible with the new version yet, this new release properly detects the beta and do some basic initialisation for things like the auto-update feature.
  
• When the new Messenger beta is detected, Messenger Plus! adds its usual "Software not loaded" menu in the contact list. From this menu, the compatibility window can be displayed to display some information and, more importantly, to let more advanced users disable "safe mode".
  -- When safe mode is disabled with the beta, Messenger Plus! activates some of its functionalities. Using Messenger Plus! in this mode may cause all sorts of errors to occur, no support will be given for beta versions of Messenger.
  -- If you experience issues after disabling safe mode, use the Maintenance wizard (available from the uninstaller) to revert Messenger Plus! to its normal state.
  
• The Repair Wizard of the uninstaller now resets the "safe mode" setting of Messenger Plus! even if user preferences are not erased.

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I was reading this topic and saw a post mentioning that the removal of the nicknames was because of the integration with social networks but that has nothing to do with it.

You see I have AIM 7 and I have it linked with my facebook account, AIM retains my AIM sign-in name and yet I can chat with my facebook contacts.

I think that in the case of AIM it is because our nicknames are actually our usernames to sign-in unlike msn that uses the hotmail/live/passport registered e-mail address as username to sign-in.

Thing that makes me wonder. What will happen with the non-msn e-mails that can sign in on msn? those doesn't have a live profile like gmail accounts for example that we register through the passport site, so how we will see them? just as e-mails?

Also what about the interaction with yahoo? anyone can tell me how the new msn handles the yahoo IDs?

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Originally posted by dbgarza
I was reading this topic and saw a post mentioning that the removal of the nicknames was because of the integration with social networks but that has nothing to do with it.

You see I have AIM 7 and I have it linked with my facebook account, AIM retains my AIM sign-in name and yet I can chat with my facebook contacts.

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That I know but not everyone has facebook, that's why I also asked how msn will handle the non msn e-mails registered through passport and the Yahoo IDs, you know the compatibility with yahoo. I mean since some people doesn't have facebook and as far I know the passport account doesn't have a live profile linked to them, I don't know how they will appear in the contacts list.

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Originally posted by dbgarza
Thing that makes me wonder. What will happen with the non-msn e-mails that can sign in on msn? those doesn'tq have a live profile like gmail accounts for example that we register through the passport site, so how we will see them? just as e-mails?

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Ah okay, I didn't knew now live makes profiles for the non hotmail/live accounts, thanks for clearing that up.

Though I sure will miss the display names, I mean it was one of the parts we could make more personalized thanks to messenger plus. You know adding the colors and such.

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Originally posted by dbgarza
Ah okay, I didn't knew now live makes profiles for the non hotmail/live accounts, thanks for clearing that up.

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ah ok, maybe is because I never really took the time to see that, I mean I only registered a couple of non-hotmail accounts but since I only used them on msn I never cared about the profiles so I didn't had idea it wasn't a recent thing

link.live.net is down, which means that all links must be manually copied and pasted into the browser...

I hope that Plus!5 will be able to get rid of this "feature"...

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essential...2-due-next-tuesday

I hope they fixed the bugs with taskbar flashing under Windows 7...

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Originally posted by Jolo
With this Wave 4 release, I can see Microsoft switching to a new 'Messenger' model.

Over the last 10 years, Microsoft has been using the traditional Messenger name settings, without a real name being required. You can put anything you want on the name, calling a 'Nickname'.

But, folks, times has changed. Social networks like Facebook are here, and most people (including me) are using WLM for contact only friends, family and coleagues (so, no need to hide real names anymore). Also, Messenger use for meet new people are also dissapearing. It's like Facebook, and even like Twitter, where you don't have scary about putting your real name. In fact, it's just work like this.

If you want, you can stay on the old Messenger version, where you can put anything you want on the Nickname field. But, the new Messenger and the new Windows Live doesn't just allow that anymore. Now it works only with real names. Just watch any other Microsoft products related to this:

- Windows Phone 7
- Outlook 2010 (and the social connectors)
- Windows Live Messenger for iPhone and iPod Touch
- Windows Live Hotmail

So, I don't see the Nickname changing returning back. And, in fact, it just Ok for me. And I see will be fine to most people.

On other side, it seems that the Software has still some serious bugs. Despite some people recommend it to install, I'll wait to a new build before applying to my computers:

http://www.neowin.net/news/a-month-with-windows-live-messenger-wave-4

Cheers (and sorry my english).

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Originally posted by gaara20
lolwut? No nicknames?

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Originally posted by Chris4
if you have it connected with Facebook, it'll use your name from that.

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Originally posted by Mike
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-2-due-next-tuesday

I hope they fixed the bugs with taskbar flashing under Windows 7...

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Originally posted by Mike
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-2-due-next-tuesday

I hope they fixed the bugs with taskbar flashing under Windows 7...

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by gaara20
lolwut? No nicknames?

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Correct, there's no nicknames in the new WLM. It uses your real name set in your profile or if you have it connected with Facebook, it'll use your name from that.

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Originally posted by gaara20

Well at least they had the decency to let us stick with 2009 version... right? also you cant put any more personal messages and that stuff?

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Originally posted by gaara20
also you cant put any more personal messages and that stuff?

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by gaara20
also you cant put any more personal messages and that stuff?

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Yes, there's personal messages.

Personal messages have been improved - from what I can remember, they can now include content like videos, as well as (optionally) update your Facebook, Twitter and other social networks statuses.

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Ah ok thanks... I still think im going to stick with wl2009. I use my first name, not a nick, but only the first, and i dont have a facebook account, so i guess in this case it was the first and last name that were going to show up in messenger?

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Originally posted by gaara20
Ah ok thanks... I still think im going to stick with wl2009. I use my first name, not a nick, but only the first, and i dont have a facebook account, so i guess in this case it was the first and last name that were going to show up in messenger?

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Originally posted by gaara20
Ah ok thanks... I still think im going to stick with wl2009. I use my first name, not a nick, but only the first, and i dont have a facebook account, so i guess in this case it was the first and last name that were going to show up in messenger?

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From my experience, people using Windows Live Messenger 2011 won't see your nickname, but will see your real name set in your profile, no matter what version you're using. At least I can remember that happened with a few contacts, not sure if it was all of them.

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It seems im going to find a way to block the update message or find a new client. Having the nickname removed is bad and so is the blocking feature. Appearing offline to is not the same as blocking. Each year , the messenger turns into more crap.

edit: if i stick with 2009 can i at least block the contacts that use 2011 or simply use appear offline»? Dont tell me that doesn't work too...

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essential...ta-2-available-now

I tried downloading the web installer, but it doesn't say anything about updates for WLM? Was WLM updated?

EDIT: The full installer updates WLM after all.

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Originally posted by Mike
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-2-available-now

I tried downloading the web installer, but it doesn't say anything about updates for WLM? Was WLM updated?

EDIT: The full installer updates WLM after all.

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Originally posted by ICQ
try removing the old one an rebooting an then installing

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yeah, the Bug they fixed for me which i was having with the previous beta was, i always had to Kill the process in task Manager or windows thought it was still running when i had signed out. , i see that Big fat ugly Ad in the main contact list though

for all its worth, i still cant send messages to my Facebook People on it   still makes me sign into Facebook itself to  send messages. 

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Originally posted by Mike
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-2-available-now

I tried downloading the web installer, but it doesn't say anything about updates for WLM? Was WLM updated?

EDIT: The full installer updates WLM after all.

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Originally posted by Nagamasa
Don't think the web installer is updated yet. Still shows a 15.3.x setup, rather than the 15.4.x the full one is.

Lot's of small changes! Infobar now has a blue background, still no FB integration, default theme changed, ...

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Originally posted by ICQ
for all its worth, i still cant send messages to my Facebook People on it   still makes me sign into Facebook itself to  send messages. 

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Originally posted by Willz
From MS:

"Note; Microsoft Facebook chat is currently available in US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, and Brazil."

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Also, the Facebook chat is new, and you might need to enable it first in your Windows Live profile before it becomes available.

Go to http://profile.live.com/Services/Add.aspx?appid=1140906031 and check if "Chat with my Facebook friends in Messenger" is enabled (first of the three options under the first paragraph - if you don't have that option it isn't available to your local yet).

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Also, the Facebook chat is new, and you might need to enable it first in your Windows Live profile before it becomes available.

Go to http://profile.live.com/Services/Add.aspx?appid=1140906031 and check if "Chat with my Facebook friends in Messenger" is enabled.

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Originally posted by Willz

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Originally posted by ICQ
for all its worth, i still cant send messages to my Facebook People on it   still makes me sign into Facebook itself to  send messages. 

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From MS:

"Note; Microsoft Facebook chat is currently available in US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, and Brazil."

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Change your Windows Live Profile's country to one of the supported countries, and it should work.

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Originally posted by Mike
Change your Windows Live Profile's country to one of the supported countries, and it should work.

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• Install Windows Live Essentials Beta 2.
  
• Make sure you are running Windows Live Messenger 2011 Build 15.4.3002.810. Apparently some people who tried to install beta 2 earlier still got an older build.
  
• Click on the Facebook icon on the bottom of the Messenger contact list. Or if you haven't attached your Facebook account to your Live Profile yet, go directly to the Windows Live settings to do so.
  
  
• Check the option Chat with my Facebook friends in Messenger.
  
  
• On the same page, if it is shown, hit the blue Connect with Facebook button.
  
  
• Hit Save.
  
• Exit Messenger and restart.
  
• After the Facebook account is properly connected you can also turn FB Chat on and off from Messenger's menu.
  

just found this, thanks to Neowin http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Live-Essen...orner-154905.shtml

anyone wanna follow that Neowin thread, here it is http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/911970-windows-...now/page__st__1080

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Originally posted by ICQ
just found this, thanks to Neowin http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Live-Essen...orner-154905.shtml

anyone wanna follow that Neowin thread, here it is http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/911970-windows-...now/page__st__1080

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Updated my GreaseMonkey script for the new URL format SmartScreen uses: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/80058

"On September 22, Microsoft announced that the final version of Windows Live Essentials 2011 will be available in September, 30 2010 worldwide." - Wikipedia (not credible)

Do you think all the bugs and glitches (the main and annoying ones) will be ironed out ?

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Originally posted by xho
"On September 22, Microsoft announced that the final version of Windows Live Essentials 2011 will be available in September, 30 2010 worldwide." - Wikipedia (not credible)

Do you think all the bugs and glitches (the main and annoying ones) will be ironed out ?

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Windows Live Essential 2011 Final should be released today as this source states. Lets hope Microsoft sticks to its words.

It's released, go go go

Final, no Beta!

If http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials doesn't lead to the 2011 version in your country yet. It should be shortly, as mentioned in http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windows...-download-now.aspx but in the meantime you can use one of these direct links.

Web Installers
<ar> Arabic: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ar/wlsetup-web.exe
<bg> Bulgarian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/bg/wlsetup-web.exe
<ca> Catalan: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ca/wlsetup-web.exe
<cs> Czech: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/cs/wlsetup-web.exe
<da> Danish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/da/wlsetup-web.exe
<de> German: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/de/wlsetup-web.exe
<el> Greek: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/el/wlsetup-web.exe
<en> English: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe
<es> Spanish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/es/wlsetup-web.exe
<et> Estonian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/et/wlsetup-web.exe
<eu> Basque: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/eu/wlsetup-web.exe
<fi> Finnish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/fi/wlsetup-web.exe
<fr> French: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/fr/wlsetup-web.exe
<gu> Gujarati: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/gu/wlsetup-web.exe
<he> Hebrew: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/he/wlsetup-web.exe
<hi> Hindi: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/hi/wlsetup-web.exe
<hr> Croatian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/hr/wlsetup-web.exe
<hu> Hungarian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/hu/wlsetup-web.exe
<id> Indonesian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/id/wlsetup-web.exe
<it> Italian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/it/wlsetup-web.exe
<ja> Japanese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ja/wlsetup-web.exe
<kn> Kannada: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/kn/wlsetup-web.exe
<ko> Korean: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ko/wlsetup-web.exe
<lt> Lithuanian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/lt/wlsetup-web.exe
<lv> Latvian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/lv/wlsetup-web.exe
<ml-in> Malayalam: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ml-in/wlsetup-web.exe
<mr> Marathi: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/mr/wlsetup-web.exe
<ms> Malay: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ms/wlsetup-web.exe
<no> Norwegian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/no/wlsetup-web.exe
<nl> Dutch: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/nl/wlsetup-web.exe
<pl> Polish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/pl/wlsetup-web.exe
<pt-br> Brazilian Portuguese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/pt-br/wlsetup-web.exe
<pt-pt> Portuguese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/pt-pt/wlsetup-web.exe
<ro> Romanian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ro/wlsetup-web.exe
<ru> Russian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ru/wlsetup-web.exe
<sk> Slovak: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/sk/wlsetup-web.exe
<sl> Slovenian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/sl/wlsetup-web.exe
<sr-cyrl-cs> Serbian Cyrillic: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/sr-cyrl-cs/wlsetup-web.exe
<sr-latn-cs> Serbian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/sr-latn-cs/wlsetup-web.exe
<sv> Swedish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/sv/wlsetup-web.exe
<ta> Tamil: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/ta/wlsetup-web.exe
<te> Telugu: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/te/wlsetup-web.exe
<th> Thai: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/th/wlsetup-web.exe
<tr> Turkish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/tr/wlsetup-web.exe
<uk> Ukrainian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/uk/wlsetup-web.exe
<vi> Vietnamese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/vi/wlsetup-web.exe
<zh-cn> Simplified Chinese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/zh-cn/wlsetup-web.exe
<zh-tw> Traditional Chinese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/zh-tw/wlsetup-web.exe

Full Installers
<ar> Arabic: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ar/wlsetup-all.exe
<bg> Bulgarian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/bg/wlsetup-all.exe
<ca> Catalan: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ca/wlsetup-all.exe
<cs> Czech: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/cs/wlsetup-all.exe
<da> Danish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/da/wlsetup-all.exe
<de> German: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/de/wlsetup-all.exe
<el> Greek: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/el/wlsetup-all.exe
<en> English: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe
<es> Spanish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/es/wlsetup-all.exe
<et> Estonian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/et/wlsetup-all.exe
<eu> Basque: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/eu/wlsetup-all.exe
<fi> Finnish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/fi/wlsetup-all.exe
<fr> French: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/fr/wlsetup-all.exe
<gu> Gujarati: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/gu/wlsetup-all.exe
<he> Hebrew: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/he/wlsetup-all.exe
<hi> Hindi: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/hi/wlsetup-all.exe
<hr> Croatian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/hr/wlsetup-all.exe
<hu> Hungarian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/hu/wlsetup-all.exe
<id> Indonesian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/id/wlsetup-all.exe
<it> Italian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/it/wlsetup-all.exe
<ja> Japanese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ja/wlsetup-all.exe
<kn> Kannada: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/kn/wlsetup-all.exe
<ko> Korean: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ko/wlsetup-all.exe
<lt> Lithuanian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/lt/wlsetup-all.exe
<lv> Latvian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/lv/wlsetup-all.exe
<ml-in> Malayalam: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ml-in/wlsetup-all.exe
<mr> Marathi: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/mr/wlsetup-all.exe
<ms> Malay: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ms/wlsetup-all.exe
<no> Norwegian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/no/wlsetup-all.exe
<nl> Dutch: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/nl/wlsetup-all.exe
<pl> Polish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/pl/wlsetup-all.exe
<pt-br> Brazilian Portuguese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/pt-br/wlsetup-all.exe
<pt-pt> Portuguese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/pt-pt/wlsetup-all.exe
<ro> Romanian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ro/wlsetup-all.exe
<ru> Russian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ru/wlsetup-all.exe
<sk> Slovak: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/sk/wlsetup-all.exe
<sl> Slovenian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/sl/wlsetup-all.exe
<sr-cyrl-cs> Serbian Cyrillic: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/sr-cyrl-cs/wlsetup-all.exe
<sr-latn-cs> Serbian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/sr-latn-cs/wlsetup-all.exe
<sv> Swedish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/sv/wlsetup-all.exe
<ta> Tamil: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/ta/wlsetup-all.exe
<te> Telugu: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/te/wlsetup-all.exe
<th> Thai: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/th/wlsetup-all.exe
<tr> Turkish: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/tr/wlsetup-all.exe
<uk> Ukrainian: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/uk/wlsetup-all.exe
<vi> Vietnamese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/vi/wlsetup-all.exe
<zh-cn> Simplified Chinese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/zh-cn/wlsetup-all.exe
<zh-tw> Traditional Chinese: http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/zh-tw/wlsetup-all.exe

Any idea when a new messenger plus will be out?

No details yet, but I assume there will be some new around that soon. Keep an eye on http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/ and http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=94866.

looks better, have they made the Themes better?