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Hey - just a note...

I have noticed that the length of labels in Plus! 3 is pretty short. Sometimes the original language uses two or three words to describe something. The labels are often adjusted so that these two words fits perfectly into the label.

Sometimes Danish uses lots of letters to describe a simple english word and at the moment submenus in the light-blue area (like 'Commands & Tags') are hard to translate. Mostly because the Danish word for "Commands" are "Kommandoer" and "Tags" is "Mærker" which does not leave enough space!

There is no way around this problem. Two words cannot be translated into a shoter terms.

I actually think this translation has been more difficult...

I propose that labels with two or three words should leave more space for the translators - it is possible that the english version fits but translating without adequate space gives us no choice but to make it too short (which sometimes seems strange).

// Peter
Another of those stupid Danes

Read this thread: http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24389

My comments about it: if u are a good translator, u will be able to describe the feature/word with ur own words, even if u change them
i have had the same problems (spanish (latin) translation) and i always could find a workarround

Well, I'm realy struggling to fit many words in the short labels (not the descriptions, that's not a problem, but the 1 or few words labels and buttons)) AND keeping things consequent AND not using dialects and abbrivations... I agree with Kian that this is a very difficult translation because the labels are often just big enough for English (and English is a very short language, most languages need far more characters and words to describe just the same thing (even if you keep it basic))

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Well, I'm realy struggling to fit many words in the labels AND keeping things consequent AND not using dialects and abbrivations... I agree with Kian that this is a very difficult translation because the labels are often just big enough for English (and English is a very short language, most languages need far more characters and words to describe just the same thing (even if you keep it basic))

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u can pic up a dictionary and search for synonims (or whatever is spelt )

yeah right ... I can assure you that it is far from as easy as that...

I understand your problems, but as long as it concerns multi-line text, you always have the option to give less information in your description. I also strugled to make the english text fit in the designed space, if you have to do some sacrifices for your language, you're allowed to do so . The only other option would be to create different windows for each language and.... no .

As for single line labels, I don't think there are too many labels of this kind that are too short. Again, you're allowed to remove some information to make the text fit. I promise you that I always have translation issues in mind when I design my windows, there's just a limit to what can be done.

Thank you for your understanding,
Patchou

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Originally posted by Kian
Sometimes Danish uses lots of letters to describe a simple english word and at the moment submenus in the light-blue area (like 'Commands & Tags') are hard to translate. Mostly because the Danish word for "Commands" are "Kommandoer" and "Tags" is "Mærker" which does not leave enough space!

There is no way around this problem. Two words cannot be translated into a shoter terms.

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I noticed that. Looks a bit ugly.
Could you perhaps use just "Kommandoer" instead? And on the button "Generelle Indstillinger" just write "Generellt" or something like that. My Danish is lousy so I can't really tell if this is possible. You have the same problem with "Privatlivs-beskyttelse" (which is almost as long as a normal Swedish word! What about "Privatliv" or "Privat"?

The stupid Swede

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Originally posted by Chrono
Read this thread: http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24389

My comments about it: if u are a good translator, u will be able to describe the feature/word with ur own words, even if u change them
i have had the same problems (spanish (latin) translation) and i always could find a workarround

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It has absolutely nothing to do if I am good translator or not. It has something to do with the language that I am translating Plus! in to.

I know the words to translated and I know the right words to translate 'em in to - thats a fact! The point is still that if I want to keep the red line through a label with only two words I need to translate directly into another two words which holds the same meaning, and sometimes it is difficult.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Well, I'm realy struggling to fit many words in the short labels (not the descriptions, that's not a problem, but the 1 or few words labels and buttons)) AND keeping things consequent AND not using dialects and abbrivations... I agree with Kian that this is a very difficult translation because the labels are often just big enough for English (and English is a very short language, most languages need far more characters and words to describe just the same thing (even if you keep it basic))

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Thank you for your sympathy I appreciate that

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Originally posted by Chrono
u can pic up a dictionary and search for synonims (or whatever is spelt )

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again... thats not enough. You don't have to look up simple words when you already know 'em and all the ways you can handle 'em (the words)
It's all about the space - not that the translator is ugly and do not know how to use a dictionary

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Originally posted by Leif
I noticed that. Looks a bit ugly.
Could you perhaps use just "Kommandoer" instead? And on the button "Generelle Indstillinger" just write "Generellt" or something like that. My Danish is lousy so I can't really tell if this is possible. You have the same problem with "Privatlivs-beskyttelse" (which is almost as long as a normal Swedish word!  What about "Privatliv" or "Privat"?

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Hehe... but by doing so I'll loose a lot of information but I guess thats the way to handle the situation...

// Kian (aka Peter)
The stupid Dane

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Originally posted by Leif
I noticed that. Looks a bit ugly.
Could you perhaps use just "Kommandoer" instead? And on the button "Generelle Indstillinger" just write "Generellt" or something like that. My Danish is lousy so I can't really tell if this is possible. You have the same problem with "Privatlivs-beskyttelse" (which is almost as long as a normal Swedish word! What about "Privatliv" or "Privat"?

The stupid Swede

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Reminds me of the Swedish Cook in the Muppets
Lol, anyways, exactly what I did in the Dutch translation:
"Commands & Tags" -> "Commando's" ("Commando's & Tags" is too long, and "Tags" isn't even a dutch word...)
"Privacy Protection" -> "Privacy" ("Privacy Bescherming", which is the right full and correct translation, is too long..)

There are many more examples well anyways... back to it, otherwise I wont get the deadline

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Reminds me of the Swedish Cook in the Muppets
Lol, anyways, exactly what I did in the Dutch translation:
"Commands & Tags" -> "Commando's" ("Commando's & Tags" is too long, and "Tags" isn't even a dutch word...)
"Privacy Protection" -> "Privacy" ("Privacy Bescherming", which is the right full and correct translation, is too long..)

There are many more examples well anyways... back to it, otherwise I wont get the deadline

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Well I guess thats the solution even though I don't like it - I hate to truncate text...

Well - thanks anyway

// Peter
The Stupid Dane