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I don't see why.. I've seen several respected sites implement bittorrent as a method of file transfer over the last few years. When saying that BT would harm MsgPlus' reputation, you're automatically assuming that someone WILL attempt to (and succeed in) spreading a virus (which I'm however not saying would be impossible when dealing with such a small file)... 

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haven't you realized you usually find the same torrent 3 times, only with different names..? Usually the files are the same, only the notepad text is different. But sometimes there a porn links added, or wte.. wouldn't that affect the product's reputation.. ? I mean.. maybe it won't happen.. but why take a risk to let it..??!

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i first looked at this thread mattm59 had 9 posts, now hes on 26

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Spokes.. don't tell me your counting posts now..

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
People, NO, torrents are as insecure as any other means!!!! Don't be fooled.

* The files can still be hosted anywhere...
* If my PC is infected with a virus and I have no idea about it (actually even _if_ I know about it, I could easly do this on purpose to harm Plus!), I still can make a torrent file, people will not see/investigate the difference...
* etc...

Providing a torrent is by no means any more secure then pure P2P methods like Kazaa.... !!!

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As far as I can tell the torrent link, and by any purpose the download, is based upon an md4/5 hash of the complete file, so there can't be a faked part of it if the hash you download is the hash an official source provides (which Patchou himself or any admin around has calculated using the original binary). You only can download parts of the file that match the hash set by the .torrent file. And if the .torrent file is provided in the official server, there is no way to fake it.

There may be other .torrent's with fakes/viruses/trojans/porn around, but those .torrent's weren't, aren't and won't be THE official .torrent provided by msgplus.net.

However, you can always download from the server. The new MP! servers are capable of a uberhigh bw and have no transfer limit (at least appreciable), so it doesn't make much sense to use an alternative way to get a file (mainly if it's only a couple of MB file). However, this alternative could be interesting when it's time to save some server money or to make the download faster (if the file is popular enough) than if pulled from the server.

I don't actually see anything wrong with what mattm59 is saying. The actual setup for messenger plus is put on msgplus.net, so why can't a torrent file. People will only download the torrent file from msgplus.net so there will be no issue of it being faulty or with a virus. As has already been mentioned in this thread, there are lots of other messenger plus files going round on torrent programs so this is already happenning. If a torrent file was put on the actual website then everyone can download it from there and there would be no problem.

However, I would still download the .exe setup from the website as it is easier in my opinion.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
As far as I can tell the torrent link, and by any purpose the download, is based upon an md4/5 hash of the complete file, so there can't be a faked part of it if the hash you download is the hash an official source provides (which Patchou himself or any admin around has calculated using the original binary). You only can download parts of the file that match the hash set by the .torrent file. And if the .torrent file is provided in the official server, there is no way to fake it.


There may be other .torrent's with fakes/viruses/trojans/porn around, but those .torrent's weren't, aren't and won't be THE official .torrent provided by msgplus.net.

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yes I know that, that isn't the issue. The issue is that everybody can fake an official torrent, and those who download most likely do _not_ know the difference, heck they even might not know an official torrent exists....

Hence the reason why my folder with download Plus! setups from P2P networks are full of virusses, corrupted files, fakes (yes many are deliberate!!!), etc...

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Originally posted by monster.rat
I don't actually see anything wrong with what mattm59 is saying. The actual setup for messenger plus is put on msgplus.net, so why can't a torrent file. People will only download the torrent file from msgplus.net

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no they will not... any site can put up/spread a torrent which is fake. If someone sees a torrent labeled Messenger Plus!, he isn't going to search for the official site first to check if the torrent is a fake or not, he is going to run/download the torrent immediatly. Also, if they would go to msgplus.net to get the correct torrent, why on earth wont they download the setup directly from it in the first place? this doesn't make sense

Cookie, i think what is being suggested is that an OFFICIAL torrent file is put on hte OFFICIAL website. If what you are saying is right, then there are already loads of corrupted msg plus files with viruses so this would give people who are downloading these corrupted files a way of being sure about what they are downloading if they get it officially.

I hope to see a Good download location or Torrent when I wake up tomorrow

PS.

Only 5 Hours to wait for the new MsgPlus!

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Originally posted by monster.rat
Cookie, i think what is being suggested is that an OFFICIAL torrent file is put on hte OFFICIAL website. If what you are saying is right, then there are already loads of corrupted msg plus files with viruses

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that's exactly what I'm saying in several posts already in this thread....

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Originally posted by monster.rat
so this would give people who are downloading these corrupted files a way of being sure about what they are downloading if they get it officially.

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I know what you (and the others) mean, but this will make absolutely no difference, believe me.... The official one would be 1 out of hundreds of fakes.

And again, if they want to check if their torrent is valid on the msgplus.net server, they might as well directly download the setup from there as they are already on msgplus.net...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
that's exactly what I'm saying in several posts already in this thread....

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I know. What i'm saying is that if this is happening already, then what difference will making an official torrent make?

ye well as I can read ppl are saying there should be an official torrent on the official msgplus! website.. i think thats a cool idea.. i mean rlly cool no worries about fake torrents.. well not on the site, thats for sure.. and some mirrors wouldnt be such a bad idea too

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
And again, if they want to check if their torrent is valid on the msgplus.net server, they might as well directly download the setup from there as they are already on msgplus.net...

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I agree with you on this as i said i would not use the torrent. I was just pointing out that the problem of viruses and corrupted files would not change if a torrent was put on the site.

People would just use the way they have bcome accustomed to.