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im personaly ok with the sponser program. it's totally opional and the only people who are complaining about it are the people who didn't read everything they should of while they were installing Plus!

I would rather have the optional sponsor than having to wait like 30 seconds while the messenger discovery x displays its 3 pages of adds...

I personally don't mind the sponsor program. But am talking from experince when i say it is cutting th potential user base of MsgPlus!.

I have recommended MsgPlus to many people. However, they have slowly stopped using it after they found out "it contained spyware". Even the computers on which i installed it (WITHOUT sponsor program), they ended up deleting because of some sort of program saying it was spyware/adware.

I have a feeling that when Microsoft take MS AntiSpyware out of Beta that it will affect the MsgPlus! user base even further. My reasoning is that, currently it identifies MsgPlus! as a spyware even if the sponsor program wasn't selected. It seems that any traces of MsgPlus! it finds it says that spyware has been installed. Can't Microsoft be contacted to notify them so that they can modify AntiSpyware so that only identifies the actual C2 Media/Lop.com registry entires as spyware/adware and not the MsgPlus! registry entries. From what i have heard Microsoft plans to make AntiSpyware available free of charge, so i expect many people to start using it as it is free and has real time protection. This is why i think it going out of Beta would affect MessengerPlus!

One suggestion i could make is for Patchou to add flashing test to the Sponsor program agreement secion of the installer notifying the user to read about the OPTIONAL sponsor program. This way Patchou can keep the sponsor program and at the same time help users clearly know about the sponsor program.

RileyM

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Originally posted by RileyM
My reasoning is that, currently it identifies MsgPlus! as a spyware

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That's the thing. Doesn't it identify it as "adware bundler"? Which is different from spyware.

But people just don't know...

Maybe a little change in the text of the warning before the sponsor agreement screen: "The adware bundled in this program might be picked up by some anti-spyware programs as dangerous, but it is not. Feel free to ask questions about it here (simple link to forums)."

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Originally posted by Killov

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Originally posted by RileyM
My reasoning is that, currently it identifies MsgPlus! as a spyware

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That's the thing. Doesn't it identify it as "adware bundler"? Which is different from spyware.

But people just don't know...

Maybe a little change in the text of the warning before the sponsor agreement screen: "The adware bundled in this program might be picked up by some anti-spyware programs as dangerous, but it is not. Feel free to ask questions about it here (simple link to forums)."

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Yes good suggestion, but i would still like MS AntiSpware not to detect MessengerPlus! as a spyware bundler, but rather detect the actual spyware that was installed. This way you won't get any warning if you didnt select the sponsor agreement

RileyM

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Originally posted by RileyM
Yes good suggestion, but i would still like MS AntiSpware not to detect MessengerPlus! as a spyware bundler, but rather detect the actual spyware that was installed. This way you won't get any warning if you didnt select the sponsor agreement

RileyM

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Thats down to microsoft and there is nothing patchou can do, afaik he has alredy been in contact with them about this. Also the sponsor is adware not spyware.

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Originally posted by RileyM
Yes good suggestion, but i would still like MS AntiSpware not to detect MessengerPlus! as a spyware bundler, but rather detect the actual spyware that was installed. This way you won't get any warning if you didnt select the sponsor agreement

RileyM

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Well, that's something MS will have to do. It's nothing that MsgPlus! does.

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Originally posted by lou_habs
I mean it is a program consider adware and because of this it was taken away from download.com

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Incorrect... The Plus!-setup includes (an optional) adware program and therefore it was taken off. Not because Plus! itself was adware. There is a huge difference....

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Originally posted by lou_habs
alot of people think that Plus is dangerous and therefore don't use it. I'm sure that if Patchou used another method to make money such as google ads here on the forum and such

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He already has (much needed) ads on www.msgplus.net...

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Originally posted by lou_habs
and changing the sponsor program to some kind of video or what not

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ermmm... hu? anyways

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Originally posted by lou_habs
plus! would go back on download.com, get better reviews and such, and more people would use it...

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I guess those few thousand who would install it then, wouldn't make much difference anyways though...

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Originally posted by lou_habs
therefore making even more money...

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If he cuts down in sponsor/ads, he will loose money, not making more; Those few who are going to install it then (who thought Plus! itself was a virus and malicious otherwise) aren't going to make much difference...

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Originally posted by lou_habs
if he added google ads and such I would click them.

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Go to http://www.msgplus.net and feel free to click on every ad. Also go to the Plus!-shop and buy stuff...

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Originally posted by lou_habs
please answer the poll that I created for this. This is not to get anyone mad.

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we're not mad but don't be mad either if the result is not what you thought it was

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Originally posted by lou_habs
I reapeat this is only opinion wise and to make sure that Patchou gets some ideas.
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but please leave it open because it could get interesting with the ideas many people may have.

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tbh, in all those years that people talked about this in this matter, nobody, not a single soul, has come up with a decent alternative...

btw, you would be estonished if you knew how much the forums, Plus!-server, sound-servers, etc... all cost in a month. A few ads here and there isn't enough to cover all the expenses though. And as you rightfully said, Patchou needs something to eat also... (once a day )

And many people forget about all this, they think "if I can earn some few dollars with google ads to keep my website online, everybody can". In the real world, to keep the Plus! related stuff going, there need to be lots more then just a few ads...

btw, I'm not going to vote because the options aren't exactly as I like. I would vote for the second one, but _if_ there is anything better, then be sure that Patchou will change it. And I don't like the sound of option 1, as it sounds like the sponsor is all crap, unneeded, etc and just sounds like all those dorky biased narrow minded people on those anti-adware/spyware forums....

sorry for making myself unclear.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
we're not mad but don't be mad either if the result is not what you thought it was

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I wont get mad. I want opinion and thats what I got. I dont say the sponsor is crap either. And I understand that google ads may not bring much money. I wouldnt know because my site doesnt cost me a thing so I dont have ads but if it doesnt make money then it doesnt make money...however I agree with the donation thing. People should be able to donate to Patchou from a paypal thing or what not. He could keep everything else I dont mind but itd be good if he did have something for donations because alot of people would donate.

I don't think that he should change sponsor program or get rid of it, it's been discussed many times before ...