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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Posts seem to be disappearing like mad here... But regardless, the title is fine, as this is the thing people will be looking for. But maybe you could edit the first post and state that it is, in fact a session notifier at the beginning and state that it doesn't work reliably sometimes. I know some people will say it doesn't work most of the time... But it is a "tool" and if you know that it doesn't work perfectly all the time then there is no problem.

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Edit: Great work btw... I will be getting this script/addon :)

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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Not a problem Cookie, I will put a popup in when it is run for the first time - i'll fit it in where i can, but it WILL be there :)

EDIT: Thanks cloud, although i still need help with the connection closing bit :P - any suggestions?

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RE: The open/closed window notifier feature
I too have looked into this, as i know a far bit about visual basic, and the basics of networking. however I am lost in putting the two together. I have no idea how to access the protocol from vb, and have had little luck in searching for answers. oh wells. :(

good luck to those attempting to re-create these features. you're efforts are appreciated. :)
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RE: The open/closed window notifier feature
Hey again, theres a new thread:

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=63611&pid=698217

Have a look, it seems to show when a connection is established from the MSN server, due to pictures being updated, windows opening, etc.. Also I need some ideas on how to finish off the CLOSE connection feature - the OPEN connection one is fine (as you will see in that thread) but the CLOSE one isnt so lucky - check it out and leave a message!
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RE: RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
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He can call it what he wants :P. Good on you making it, it's in demand, people don't care if it works or not, they just want it....
Thanks absorbation, the TITLE is fine, because the feature of the application includes notifying about what i want, as well as being a session notifier. Call it what you wish, people know what it is.

The title is NOT fine.... and the majority of people do NOT know what it is. Otherwise this wouldn't have been such an issue in the past years and it wouldn have been an issue recently...

The sole fact that people insist in calling this a window notifier only proofs that it IS an issue and that people do NOT know what it is. (and only stating it isn't a window notifier in the toppost isn't going to help much; moreover, why on earth do you wanna call a tool X while you state in the first post it isn't X but Y.)

If you call it a window notifier it WIL NOT WORK and you activly misinform people.... A car which only starts half the time isn't a working car either.

You also don't call Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, eventough both can make tables and you can write letters in both.

And cloudhunter, people know it by this name because:
1) It DID work in the PAST
2) People are MISINFORMED

Both reasons why such tools should NOT be name like that again.

Calling this a window notifier or syaing it can't be named whatever he wants, only shows pure ignorance and lack of knowledge about the subject.

I really really really am flabbergasted at the ignorance of this and the lack of ability to see that this is history repeating itself again. And who can fix the shit afterwards? yes, the helpers on forums...

It is that hard to call things by its name? Is it that hard to actually inform people about the right usage of this? Or is it pure ignorance and a popularity contest?

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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Edit: @Cookie: The title is fine as for the purpose it is intended(Plus, bluntly, it's his addon/script, up to him on the name). I agree that it is innacurate, but this can be explained in the post(perhaps with big red letters)as to why it isn't techincally a Window open/close notifier. As it is, people who used StuffPlug would recognise it.

I have 2 ideas :)

1. You either hook the recieved message window and insert it there... I don't think this is the ideal solution though as what will you do when the window is closed (well... open one ;))

2. You use an "Action Message", similar to the "xyz has sent a nudge!". Now i'm sure that you don't want to send it to the other contact... But maybe (Hypothetically speaking) you could send it to the local messenger only as if it's coming from the other contact.

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New Message Headers (Switchboard)
Starting from the WLM 8.0.0683 branches, Microsoft has introduced several new headers for messages sent in a Switchboard session. Details can be found below.
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Data Cast - ID 4

Setting the ID of a Data Case to 4 allows you to send an "action message", like the message "xyz has sent you a nudge!", but the font color is dark gray. The Data header must be set to the text you want WLM to display.

Note! You require to promote MSNC6 in order to receive Action Messages

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MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n
Content-Type: text/x-msnmsgr-datacast\r\n
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ID: 4\r\n
Data: Your text here\r\n

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PlugIn-Context Header

Whenever a Plug-In (or "Add-In") sends a message, this field is included. It tells the receiving client(s) wether the message was sent by a Plugg-In or not.

code:
Content-Type: text/x-msnmsgr-datacast\r\n
PlugIn-Context: 1\r\n


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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Yeah cloud thats a good idea, but i am using a sniffer to watch the packets, and i dont think a data injection is possible, let alone directing it somewhere.. Unless somehow it can be made into a proxy, which is a completely different matter..
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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Good job. (Y)  I'm glad someone finally made it so there'll be less people moaning for one!

Though I agree there should be ample warning that it is just sessions so it will be inaccurate or you will get people moaning it doesn't work...
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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Dont worry, ill include a warning when it's used, and it WILL be visible :)
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RE: New Live! Window Open/Closed Notifier
Why are people putting so much effort into projects like this, don't waste your time.

Take the script from here, add a online checker & tweak it abit. Then you have it.
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