Shoutbox

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Originally posted by Shahrose Khan
I guess there is still a lot of work to be done before we can have a messenger with animating smileys in chat logs

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I dont think so. If this feature is not enabled is just because developers are not interested in it.
Saving animated gif emoticons as static png is actually more complicated than to just save the gif emoticons unchanged (animated).

Think about your IM client as an Internet browser. As you know, everything that is displayed on your screen is there because it has been downloaded from a server, and thus it can be saved.

Other IM clients are saving animated gif emoticons in their logs, though not perfectly yet. Check emesene.org or miranda-im.org. They are open source and more importantly, they can be portable, which is something Messeger Plus so far can't.

So the question is, are the developers going to leak some trick about how to save animated emoticons in logs, or are they waiting to see how a bunch of users lswitch to other options like emesene, Miranda...?

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Originally posted by Ming

Other IM clients are saving animated gif emoticons in their logs, though not perfectly yet. Check emesene.org or miranda-im.org. They are open source and more importantly, they can be portable, which is something Messeger Plus so far can't."

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Good job in comparing apples to oranges. Plus! isn't a stand alone replacement like others are. Plus! is an addon and requires Windows Live Messenger to operate.

Skipping through most of this topic, couldn't MP!L just do /noicon, find that there's an emoticon, and when saving it in the log, use an animated version included in WLM?

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Originally posted by Ming

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Originally posted by Shahrose Khan
I guess there is still a lot of work to be done before we can have a messenger with animating smileys in chat logs

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I dont think so. If this feature is not enabled is just because developers are not interested in it.
Saving animated gif emoticons as static png is actually more complicated than to just save the gif emoticons unchanged (animated).

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This is not how Plus! works.

Plus! gets the graphical data from certain internal objects in Messenger. And those objects probably only provide a static image (also reason why winks are saved as PNG and not as Flash files for example)

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Originally posted by Ming
Think about your IM client as an Internet browser. As you know, everything that is displayed on your screen is there because it has been downloaded from a server, and thus it can be saved.

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This is not how Messenger works. What you see on the screen is not necessarily the same as what is provided by the internal accessable objects.

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Originally posted by Ming
Other IM clients are saving animated gif emoticons in their logs, though not perfectly yet. Check emesene.org or miranda-im.org.

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They also work in a completely different way which can not be compared to how Plus! works.

Those 3rd party clients are just that: "clients". Meaning they must interact with the Messenger protocol directly. Messenger Plus! is NOT a client, it is an addon, meaning it can only work with what Messenger provides via its internal objects.

Ok, thank you guys for getting me out of my own misconceptions.
I have not idea about all this.
M$ may not be very helpful in providing details on how its application work, right?
I came back from a long break without using MSN and expected that saving animated gif had already been implemented long time ago... so maybe I got a bit frustrated and impatient. Sorry about that

I tried Miranda further. Miranda does not even let you send custom emoticons, and this feature will never be implemented as stated by one of the Mirada "Grand Master" members. (http://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?13022-illegal-plugin-for-customize-emoticons-into-msn)

So, MP!L seems to be the best option... and all my hopes goes with it.
Thanks