As for having both a "Plus!" menu and the 'Plus! Logo' dropdown in the contact list:
Both should be there and should be the same. Because not everybody has the menu menu toolbar visible. And the 'Plus! Logo' is not visible/accessable before you have succesfully signed in, yet a menu should be accessable at that point. This is where the "Plus!" menu comes into play. Not to mention that skins could remove the 'Plus! Logo' dropdown in the contact list (I haven't seen one which does, but it could be done).
As for having both a "Plus!" menu and the "!" dropdown in a conversation window:
Imo, these two should indeed be the same (they currently aren't). Partially for the same reasons above.
But I do not agree with having _all_ the options from the main menu also available in this conversation window menu though. Some might be handy, but certainly not all.
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Originally posted by V@no
In main window the last 4 options that rarely used could be moved into a submenu "help".
"preferences & options" should be the last in the list (it's pretty much standard nowadays)
I don't agree. Submenus should be avoided if possible. And in this case it is possible to avoid them without having a massive menu or the need to go thru several submenus to find what you need. Having those 4 items in the main menu isn't that bad at all. I don't see what you could have against it as long as they are seperated from the rest with a devider, like they are. It is not like that menu is unnecessary long
That whole main menu is currently pretty logic. It is devided in sections you'll otherwise find in seperate menus in programs (but Plus! is not a program on its own and I don't think it should start adding multiple main menus). The main menu begins with the main stuff and external stuff, it goes further with what you otherwise would find in a 'Tools' or 'Options' menu and finally it ends with what you'll find in a 'Help' menu. As such, the order of items is correct.
Either way the 'Preferences & Options' item should not be the last item as that would list it in the 'Help' section, where it does not belong. The 'Help' section (or menu for that matter) is logically the last menu or section and it always ends with an 'About xxx' item.
Anyways, it isn't easy to do good for everybody. Some people like to use the normal menu toolbar, some people rather like to use the 'Plus! logo' and '!' dropdowns.
And in the same manner, some people like to have all possible stuff slapped into one giant menu without the need to click thru submenus, and others like to have everything devided up in submenus. On top of this all, everything needs to be in a logic order. But even about this 'logic order' people have different ideas and interpretations. (eg: you could see the two wizards as help-functions, or you could see them as belonging to an 'options' section; although that would have been certainly true for the wizard in Plus!4, it is different for Plus!5 since those wizards are now more aimed and designed to help people getting to know Plus! than to set options directly)
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