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MSN will not include this in a hidden way just because of the fact that it is a privacy breach. Why should you have to know in a sneaky way what version the other one is using? If this is added, it will be in a visible way so the other user knows you are requestion the versionnumber. The same with Plus!: Plus! will not include this in a hidden way, hence it is included in a visible way...
OK so like i said make it visible so both users know that (if the feature is enabled) it is checking if Plus! is on the computer.
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I suggest you to reread this thread to know why I mention the protocol here (in short: using the protocol is 1 method of doing it) ...
Ok then dont use the protocol or p2p or anything you mentioned which Patchou doesnt like.....whats the big point?
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Then why did you used it to make a "point"?
Forget it, it seems you dont read my replies and just browse thru them so you can get incorrect point and argument against them...
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Again... (): Webcam detection IS already included in Messenger. MSN can do (almost) whatever they want in their own program. It will NOT be a privacy breach because EVERYBODY is using the same program and thus the same protocol, thus EVERYBODY _should_ know that it has this feature already included (also see the old discussion about "msn logging=privacy breach?").
OK so when someone downloads Plus! they should be told about this new feature of auto detection (and because its a such big issue about privacy then it be disabled from default)
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NOT everybody has Plus! and if those people without Plus! are being "pinged" in a hidden way, then that could be a privacy breach towards them. Hence it is NOT done in a hidden way...
This is the only valid point ive seen in all of your argument. So what i say is maybe a test; if there are complains remove it if not then the auto detection stays.
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No there isn't... The other methods are also out of the question for Plus!... Reread the thread, all the methods have been mentioned and explained. The only valid method is using textmessages, just like it is done now.
Yes there is because everything is tech hasnt been discovered so some devs maybe overlooking something. If i think of something ill post it.
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With all respect but, like M_E said, I think I can say I know Plus! a bit better then you (so it seems) and what Patchou has said in the past about these things.
"So it seems" no i know you know Plus! from inside out alot better than me.
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in short: NO protocol tempering, NO P2P things, NO hidden things, NO things which could breach the privacy, even in a remote way... period!
These things then shouldnt be used....Simple solution.
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That doesn't make sense. Plus! IS for the "people". And because Plus! is used by millions of users, there are things that need to be done (or not done for that matter) for the "protection" of those users...
I ment something else with that phrase. Sorry bout that.
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You know, I typically read cookie's replies with great interest since he obviously has some insights not available to the rest of us, but the response here, and in other threads I've read recently, is starting to sound very "know it all". I understand that there are potential privacy issues here, but to just blatantly state that this is a breach of privacy because Patchou says so is pretty silly (I know there were other reasons stated as well, but I happen to see things differently). It could be argued that other existing plugins (like StuffPlug-NG) are being equally intrusive. I think it's important to try to listen to others insights and not just shoot them down with snotty comebacks, and "Patchou already said no".
And in spite of this whole discussion, I think the point being made by stuartbennet and riahc4 is that the current /ping solution is not a very good one since those without plus see an apparently meaningless tag they weren't expecting. I agree wholeheartedly and there has to be a better way, privacy issues aside.
I thank you for your backup but Cookie is problably the person that knows just as much as Patchou bout Plus! so his arguments (altho not really valid) are true about Plus! but still isnt a excuse for this feature not to be implanted or at least thought about.
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