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Originally posted by nx01rules
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Originally posted by -Buffy
maybe i risk that you guys get mad or think i am stupid.
maybe because i am not english speaking but i did not fully understand the difference between conversation and session notfier. also what the difference is to the one of the last version (the plugin).
There is no difference - it just has a different name - it was renamed to stop the people who didn't know how it worked from asking for help, even when it was explained correctly to them dozens of times. It functions as a window open notifier, but it also functions to let you know when the other person's msn connects to yours to download your display picture or something like that. Just like the old stuffplug one did.
I'm sorry but that is not correct and totally misleads the user
(and exactly the thing I warned and whined about previously).
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Buffy, there IS a big difference between a window notifier and a session notifier.
Some years ago a window notifier could tell you when someone opened or closed a conversation window with you. However, this no longer works reliable at all since Microsoft changed some stuff in the underlying protocol which those plugins/addons used to detect the opening and closing.
Therefore they no longer function properly as only a window notifier. What they effectivly do is notifying the user when a session is openend or closed.
A session is a connection between you and a contact. And it is created not only when a conversation window is opened, but also when your contact views your contact card, display picture, etc. (it used to be only when a conversation window was opened). And there is no possebility to see what exactly has triggered the session.
Hence such tools do not work anymore as pure window notifiers and therefore shouldn't be called like that either.
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Note: in the future such tools will become even more unreliable as they already are as a window notifier as there will probably be more and more Messenger related features needing to open sessions.
Note: some people will claim it works "accuratly" as a window notifier for them and that they can guess when a notification is triggered by opening a conversation window or not. However that is seriously biased and in no way a general thumb of rule. The protocol works the same for everybody and that means such tools are not reliable as a window notifier anymore since a long time
see "The open/closed window notifier feature".
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Originally posted by lysp
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
And there is no possebility to see what exactly has triggered the session.
There is definately a possibility. The first (or maybe later) message through the session will be the "user is typing" control message. Or it may be the control message for "send display pic". Or it may have nothing if the user opened the window and did nothing.
Yes, that might be possible, but this is the only time you would almost be certain the notification came from a opened window. All other times you are not certain at all. Also as you pointed out yourself, a contact can perfectly open a window without even typing something. Again making this not a reliable method to destinguish between notifications as you have no way to always say for certain if a notification was triggered by a window or not.
Note that all this has been discussed before and no matter what people try, say, claim or do, the protocol is what it is and works how it works. Understand that I do not tells opinions, but facts. No matter what you believe or want, those are facts (which can be arithmetically and statistically prooven also that is is not reliable) and should be accepted as facts.
People have been trying for years to come up with "solutions" and nothing have worked at all as there are reasons for that...
2nd: please do not double post (this has been said more than a single time too)
[Beta] Session Open Notifier for WLM (Formally known as Window Open Notifier)
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