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Originally posted by Ash_
personally i believe they shouldn't be treated differently, a victim is still dead, a daughter, a possible sister or mother is gone. just because the murderer didn't think it was wrong or couldn't understand what they were doing doesent make it any less of a crime.
It doesn't make it less of a crime but that is not the issue. You're talking about the punishment, not about the crime. A punishment should be suited to the crime, but also to the person.
If a 13yr old minor commits a murder, does that make it differently than when a grown-up do it? No.... But you do treat him differently because it is a minor (there are as always exceptions of course; but again, exceptions are a indication of not treating everybody the same)....
Same with (true) mental ill people, if you would punish them the same as everybody else it will not be a good punishment for them, or on the other hand it will be a way to severe punishment for them.
Do you punish all children the same way whenever they do something wrong (steal a cookie)? No. One punishment is not the other punishment to an individual child. eg: one can suffer great from not watching TV, the other may even not care... How stupid this comparisson might seem, it is actually exactly the same thing: you punish people on an individual basis given a set of global rules (but it still is individual punishment).
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Originally posted by Ash_
if you agree that they should recieve special treatment, imagine you were a parent of this victim would you agree with it then.
If a mental ill person would kill one of my family I certainly would not want them to recieve the same punishment as non-mental ill people. What good will that do? They even may not realize they are been punished or whatever. If they don't realize they did something wrong by killing someone, how are they going to realize they've been punished? And what is the meaning of a punishment? To let the person he/she did something wrong. Not to easy your own mind and to take revenge (like in the middle ages).
If you treat people all in the exact same way, you actually don't punish people for justice, but you punish people to ease your own mind: an eye for an eye (aka being selfish)...
crime isn't black and white, neither is justice.
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Originally posted by pirateok
becuase they need to be taught it isnt right and to rehibilitate them with help
which is not done by punishing them same way.
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Originally posted by pirateok
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Originally posted by nimicitor
if you have ever met a schizophrenic then they can convince you that they are fine and dont need help or that they are the son of god etc.
Yeah, that's what pisses me off about them, becuase behind closed doors and stuff they could be the god damn devil himself...but no one else can see that, and when you call for help they turn on that "good" side of them.
that's seriously stereotyping (just as a lot of other stuff in this thread)
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