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Originally posted by wincy
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
You can't even check on the number of contacts (oChatWnd.Contacts.Count). Because that doesn't say a thing about the chat window being a group chat or a multi-contact conversation either. In fact, even a group chat or a multi-contact convo could have just 2 people: you and 1 contact. So checking on the number of contacts in the conversation isn't a reliable way either to see if it is a group convo, a multi-contact convo or a simple one-to-one chat.
Well.. if there are more than 2 contacts it's certainly a "multichat" or "group" conversation, and i guess that Group is used only if at least 2 people other than me are online. Otherwise my friend will contact me with a normal chat window. 
That's what people might do. But that is not a definition of a 'group' chat at all though. As soon as you click on a group (no matter if there are 10 people online or even just you), it is considered a group chat from the POV of a program/script/programmer.
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Originally posted by wincy
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
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Originally posted by wincy
I think that the only difference between them is that multichat opens automatically, while group windows must be opened manually by the user.
Nope. You can start a multi-contact chat too.
When i start a multi-contact chat i open a single conversation windows, and then add other contacts.
When i open a group, is because i want to chat with people that are already there.
That's why if a window opened by me with more contacts already inside it should be a Group. 
Yes, but that is besides the point and can not be used as a definition or a way to check if there is a group or multi-contact chat. Because the point is that you can not check who has started the chat, which would be needed if you want to follow this path of thinking.
eg: a group chat can either be started by you, or by any other contact who is also in the group. And just the number of contacts in a group chat don't define the chat as a group. Because you can have a group with only 1 person in it too. It wont work.
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Originally posted by wincy
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
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Originally posted by wincy
Maybe checking a relation between OnEvent_ChatWndCreated and OnEvent_ChatWndReceiveMessage?
I don't see how that is going to help you though.
A multi-contact conversation automatically opens when, after adding me, someone write a message. A Group conversation only opens when i start it, so maybe if there is no delay between OnEvent_ChatWndCreated and ChatWndReceiveMessage that could be a multi-contact...? 
Absolutely not. A one-to-one chat initiated by a contact starts in the exact same way: without a delay between OnEvent_ChatWndCreated and ChatWndReceiveMessage.
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Originally posted by wincy
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Even if you read the window caption, you can not derive from it if it is a group chat, multi-contact chat, or one-to-one chat.
That's what i was thinking:
One-to-one chat has contact's name and email as title.
Multichat has more values (name <email>, name <email>, ecc...) as title.
Groups have only a single name.
Nope, not always.
A one-to-one chat's title does not always have the syntax "name <email>". It highly depends on stuff like the nickname (which could contain characters like '<', '>' and ',' for that matter too), if the contact or you have actually registered/confirmed the Windows Live ID, and if the contact has added you to his list (or something like that; can't confirm that last one, but I have a strong feeling after some initial tests). I have also seen Multi-contact chats which do not have multiple values seperated by a comma in the title bar (might be a bug though). And a group name can again contain characters like '<', '>' and commas too...
Thus the bottom line is that this is again not a 100% reliable way of checking for such things.
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Originally posted by wincy
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
The only possible way I see, for now, (and very maybe) is using the Accessibility APIs to see what kind of (windowless) controls are present on the chat window. Because in a group chat you have slightly different controls/objects. But this isn't as easy as it sounds, and I don't know how reliable that is because of the fact that people can skin conversation windows.
Do you mean the top toolbar buttons ("photos, files, videos, call, etc..")?
Nope, I actually didn't meant those, I meant other objects in the window itself. But, yes, you could maybe use those buttons too (eg: the "Go to group site" button). But speaking of which, maybe instead check upon the menus in that case, thus not the buttons. Because for the buttons you need the Accessibility APIs because they all are windowless controls. For the menus you can probably use standard Windows menu APIs. And then you can check upon the existance and/or the state of some particular menus. But again, I dunno how reliable that is either as those menus can easily chance between versions, etc.
But as it is now, it might be the only way (at least most reliable way) to see the difference...
Though remember that the actual caption of a menu depends on the local/translation of program. So, try not to use those to check if a certain menu exists, but rather the menu IDs themselfs.
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Originally posted by wincy
I'm using a function like:
http://www.msgpluslive.it/scripts/view/96-Group-Conversation-Warning
which warns you when you're invited in a multi-chat (not Group, like script name says..). But, as warmth told me, it's quite annoying if confirmation window appear also when I open a Group conversation...
Indeed, and that is because it simply checks on the number of contacts being bigger than 2 at the moment of window creation, nothing more.
PS: It wont warn you when you add more people to a one-to-one chat, or when you start a multi-contact chat from the start using the "Actions" menu, because it only checks upon the creation of a window and a multi-contact chat (started by yourself) always starts with 1 contact before adding the other contacts automatically.
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