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Originally posted by djshotty
I didn't report this failure earlier, because I'm a patient man and didn't want to go off over it, for the reasons you mention below...
Understandable. But if you encounter something which you think isn't right, then report it as soon as possible by all means. Because chances are it might otherwise not be noticed (because it isn't a common bug) and you end up waiting for nothing...
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Originally posted by djshotty
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Also, let me remind you that Messenger Plus! Live is freeware. I would understand you being upset if this was shareware or something.
With it being freeware, you'd think this problem wouldn't exist.
Freeware/Shareware/Beerware/Etc all have little to nothing todo with bugs!
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Originally posted by djshotty
Why does a custom sound have to go through a private server on its journey p2p anyway? This doesn't happen for photos or other files shared between users, and with a 12 second high quality *wav file being around the 500k mark for filesize, I can't see why sending a sound bite of about 10 seconds is such an issue.
Strong correction: Windows Live Messenger uses 'private' servers too when sending such stuff in some circumstances. They don't always go directly P2P either... For example when there is no direct connection allowed (just to give a very simple example). Second, Windows Live Messenger's file transfer is not without its (frustrating) problems either.
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Originally posted by djshotty
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Anyway, I haven't encountered this problem 
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Well, you're all by yourself, and more than likely haven't got any friends who would want to send you funny stuff anyway. Why do you think we spec-ops go running for the latest A-Patch the moment you lot release an update? I'll tell you - it's because Messenger Plus isn't the best it can be...
FYI: I don't experience any problems either, and I'm not alone, and I have a lot of friends, thank you.
In fact, problems with the sound servers are actually _not_ that common if you look at the entire userbase of Messenger Plus! Live. That is, I'm not saying there aren't any problems though, because some people do have problems on a regular basis with them. But at the same time, many other people don't experience any problems at all.
Second, A-Patch does not have anything todo with Messenger Plus!, nor can it
fix anything Messenger Plus! Live alters or does. So, installing it to fix something after a new version of Messenger Plus! gets released, makes no sense at all...
A-Patch is for tweaking some stuff in Windows Live Messenger itself. It never ever is used to tweak something in Messenger Plus! Live. On the contrary, Messenger Plus! Live and A-Patch alter some of the same things. Even more, Messenger Plus! Live can alter some things (or in a more detailed way) which A-Patch can not...
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We lot" do not program nor release Messenger Plus!. "
We lot" are just people trying to help others with Messenger Plus! and Windows Live Messenger, nothing more, nothing less. Messenger Plus! is programmed and released by Yuna Software.
So, plz get your facts strait before getting upset too much about something which we can not do anything about it except for passing your report to the proper people.
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Originally posted by djshotty
...And therein lies my frustration. I ask a simple question, only to get a n00b's answer. Simply put, why does each sound need to go through a centralised database/server?
Sorry, but Chrono explained it very well why it uses a centralised server, and there is nothing noobish about it.
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Originally posted by djshotty
When I share an ordinary file with a contact, it goes straight to them without any dramas at all (except for a slight detour at host and client for the anti-virus check that MSN like to do). Why, then, does a 500kb *.wav/*.ogg/*.aac file need to be treated any differently?
As explained above, files send from Messenger do not always go directly to the contact, but go thru some MS server too in some cases (and I'm not talking about the new anti-virus detour).
But I dunno what you mean with that 500Kb sound file though. If you're talking about Messenger Plus! custom sounds: they are not 500Kb files at all.
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If I want 'Sound Packs' then I can download them to share with my friends, or create them myself - as I do now - from sound bite recordings of TV shows, movies, etc. I then would use the MSN sound library feature to import those 'sound bites' as assets into my local MSN install (private folder), then forward them - like an ordinary file share - to the contact I want to play the sound to.
There is no MSN sound library. There is a Messenger Plus! Live Sound Library though. Again, know what you're talking about and use the proper namings if you want to discuss something helps quite a lot...
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Originally posted by djshotty
Low complexity audio files are quite small nowadays, so to quickly fire a 100kb *.aac sound bite P2P should be a hell of a lot easier and faster than you lot are making it.
No it is not faster and easier. There are quite a lot more things to it and there are things which Messenger Plus! can not do because how it is designed (eg: not to abuse the Messenger protocol, which can cause a whole array of other problems) and because of its concept. There might be other ways to send Messenger Plus! custom sound files (like Menthix explained) than the method being used now, but please know that such stuff is not as easy as you let it seem to be.
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Your rant is understanable (nobody likes it when there are constant problems and it doesn't seem to get fixed), but it also shows a bit that you do not know the bigger picture or how things really work in Messenger, as well as in Messenger Plus!. You don't have to understand it all for reporting a problem, but please don't accuse us of giving noobish answers, or worse, implying we don't understand what we're talking about.
Again, there is nothing we can do about it other than hoping they get fixed and explaining why there might be problems. But if you don't like those explanations, then I'm really sorry.
Sounds Feature for Plus
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