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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate
Irrelevant. if people will find it eventually after being directed there after reading half a thread, that shouldn't be the way people find out[and certainly wouldn't be the way I'd want my 'customers' to find out about changes to my product]. There is no argument whatsoever against having an announcement on the forum ¬¬

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The link is on the first page... and there will be (should be) an announcement on the forums eventually. But if you want to be kept up to speed you can find out what's happening if you look around.

~ 5n4k3

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But what if i have totally no idea about the change? Why would i just randomly go to patchous blog? I didn't even know patchou had a blog until this thread made.

People arn't just going to start randomly searching

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I never said you randomly go to Patchou's Blog, I said you would find this thread which would lead you there.

~ 5n4k3

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate
Irrelevant. if people will find it eventually after being directed there after reading half a thread, that shouldn't be the way people find out[and certainly wouldn't be the way I'd want my 'customers' to find out about changes to my product]. There is no argument whatsoever against having an announcement on the forum ¬¬

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The link is on the first page... and there will be (should be) an announcement on the forums eventually. But if you want to be kept up to speed you can find out what's happening if you look around.

~ 5n4k3

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But what if i have totally no idea about the change? Why would i just randomly go to patchous blog? I didn't even know patchou had a blog until this thread made.

People arn't just going to start randomly searching

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I never said you randomly go to Patchou's Blog, I said you would find this thread which would lead you there.

~ 5n4k3

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But that's the whole point. People shouldn't have to go through a paper trail to find out whats going on.

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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate
Irrelevant. if people will find it eventually after being directed there after reading half a thread, that shouldn't be the way people find out[and certainly wouldn't be the way I'd want my 'customers' to find out about changes to my product]. There is no argument whatsoever against having an announcement on the forum ¬¬

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The link is on the first page... and there will be (should be) an announcement on the forums eventually. But if you want to be kept up to speed you can find out what's happening if you look around.

~ 5n4k3

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But what if i have totally no idea about the change? Why would i just randomly go to patchous blog? I didn't even know patchou had a blog until this thread made.

People arn't just going to start randomly searching

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I never said you randomly go to Patchou's Blog, I said you would find this thread which would lead you there.

~ 5n4k3

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But that's the whole point. People shouldn't have to go through a paper trail to find out whats going on.

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An announcement is going to be made eventually. And if you're dying to find out what's going on I'm sure you wouldn't mind looking around a little.
If there was another update then it might be a bigger issue, but it really doesn't matter to the majority of MP! users right now.

The few that do know are probably just taking an interest in this event or just like being kept up to speed with things.

For instance, if Patchou didn't have anything about this on his blog. And the announcement was made close to the next update of MP!. In other words, the announcement being the first time you hear of this topic. IF there was no date specified would you care? If you would want to know (which you probably do) would it be for any particular reason besides you simply "wanting to know"?

~ 5n4k3

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An announcement is going to be made eventually.

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Says who? I doubt one will ever be made. Yuna software wants everyone to think patchou is still in charge. It's been 3 months since they took over.

They just want everyone to think patchou is still in charge.

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Originally posted by Discrate

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An announcement is going to be made eventually.

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Says who? I doubt one will ever be made. Yuna software wants everyone to think patchou is still in charge. It's been 3 months since they took over.

They just want everyone to think patchou is still in charge.

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I'm going off an assumption that I think is right, just like you.

~ 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate

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Originally posted by 5n4k3

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Originally posted by Discrate
Irrelevant. if people will find it eventually after being directed there after reading half a thread, that shouldn't be the way people find out[and certainly wouldn't be the way I'd want my 'customers' to find out about changes to my product]. There is no argument whatsoever against having an announcement on the forum ¬¬

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The link is on the first page... and there will be (should be) an announcement on the forums eventually. But if you want to be kept up to speed you can find out what's happening if you look around.

~ 5n4k3

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But what if i have totally no idea about the change? Why would i just randomly go to patchous blog? I didn't even know patchou had a blog until this thread made.

People arn't just going to start randomly searching

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I never said you randomly go to Patchou's Blog, I said you would find this thread which would lead you there.

~ 5n4k3

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But that's the whole point. People shouldn't have to go through a paper trail to find out whats going on.

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'(..)..going on.(..)', i can't see how anything is going on? He sold the company 3 months ago and since nothing except the owner, obv, has changed.

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Originally posted by Discrate

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An announcement is going to be made eventually.

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Says who? I doubt one will ever be made. Yuna software wants everyone to think patchou is still in charge. It's been 3 months since they took over.

They just want everyone to think patchou is still in charge.

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You are so unbelievable ignorant there are no words for it.

We realy should make a list of all your post and shoutbox comments regarding this topic and publish them so everybody can see how big of a fool you actually are when they will be proven wrong one by one.... (not to mention that some of them are already proven wrong).

But hey, don't give up, keep on digging your own grave by all means...
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Originally posted by vaccination

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

2) There are MANY public signs of the sale, both on the forums, websites, and in Plus! itself

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We shouldn't have to go 'clue hunting' to find out the owner of Plus! has changed

Not to mention that simply changing the footer tags to Yuna instead of Patchou doesn't indicate a sale in anyway, it is [was] his company so it'd make sense to put it at the footer.

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Until just before the transfer, all the signatures and other related data were still signed by 'Patchou' (eventhough Yuna Software already existed; you can read about why he kept using 'Patchou' and why it did eventually change to 'Yuna' in his blog)...

But the quote you replied on was more of a response to Discrate's conspiracy theory that Yuna wants to keep things secret and hide behind the name 'Patchou'. Which is completely false, because otherwise those 'clues' wouldn't be there to begin with.

About that 'clue hunting': You shouldn't indeed. I also said and acknowledged before that those are small things and that not everybody would have noticed it. But that does not mean they are not there though.

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Originally posted by vaccination
I thought the community was supposed to be a large aspect of Plus!? Saying he posted it on his blog has no bearing at all, all other information in the past, including things like newest updates, competitions and other stuff related to Plus!'s development etc.  has all been posted on the forum. Why? Because this is where the majority of the community here gets their information, it is not unreasonable then to expect a post explaining the issues and what is going on. [Don't bring up contractual obligations, there is absolutely no reason what so ever he could not announce the change to us and let such a 'loyal' community know what's happening to a piece of software and its creator they have come to know/love]

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Believe it or not and like it or not (note: I don't like it either; who would?) but those contractual obligations are exactly one of the main reasons why he hasn't posted yet on the forums.

Just be patient, more info will eventually come...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

But the quote you replied on was more a response to Toddy's and Discrate's conspiracy theory that Yuna wants to keep things secret and hide behind the name 'Patchou'. Which is completely false, because otherwise those 'clues' wouldn't be there to begin with.

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don't try drag me into discrate arguement......

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Believe it or not and like it or not (note: I don't like it either) but those contractual obligations are exactly one of the main reasons why he hasn't posted yet on the forums.

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and people are meant to think that this is a good move for plus, selling to someone who won't let the old owner post on the forum.....

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
But the quote you replied on was more a response to Toddy's and Discrate's conspiracy theory that Yuna wants to keep things secret and hide behind the name 'Patchou'. Which is completely false, because otherwise those 'clues' wouldn't be there to begin with.

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don't try drag me into discrate arguement......

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Sorry, but posts like
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=93...d=985361#pid985361
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=93...d=985376#pid985376
(just to link two out of more)
show a bit of another story imho. Especially if you look at the context and the time they were posted (which was in the heat of that conspiracy discussion).

If you realy don't believe in this conspiracy theory to keep things secret than I misunderstood you and I would gladly apologize and remove your name from that post.

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Believe it or not and like it or not (note: I don't like it either) but those contractual obligations are exactly one of the main reasons why he hasn't posted yet on the forums.

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and people are meant to think that this is a good move for plus, selling to someone who won't let the old owner post on the forum.....

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It's either that or no Plus! at all...
Patchou hasn't taken that decision over one night either. And he has very obviously studied the pros and cons quite extensivly.

It seems cruel (heck, it always is cruel), but that is how most of such business transactions go. You are always very tighlty bound to NDAs, it's standard issue in the business world...

neither of them (or any if my other) say that the new owners are trying to keep patchou the face of the company. all my posts just point towards a dodgy situation, of having owners who don't seem to want to do the public work (work in person, would possible be better wording) that helped plus get to where it is. thus leadind my thoughts into thinking that who ever has bought the company hasn't done it for the good of plus. they've done it to make money.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
You are always very tighlty bound to NDAs

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your only bound if the partys
a) want to keep details secret
b) they both agree to the terms

so back to my point of people defending patchou, despite them having little details of the terms of whats gone on. The only thing that is certain, is that patchou has agreed not to speak or is choosing not too.........