Shoutbox

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Originally posted by WDZ
Where are the stars? I think the stars should still be shown, and based on the reputation/rating.

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oops yeah, still good ....

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Originally posted by WDZ
What exactly do you mean? There's 2 separate ratings?

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yes, the mybb rating system and the system suggested by Guido (lets call it the eBay-system). Both are seperated systems if you like... Although in essence they are compliment to each other...

Example:
Postcount: 120
Rating: 60 (on average 1 out of 2 posts are voted positive)
comments: 10 (but if you click the comments, you'll see that the last 4 are negative...)
So, you can come to the conclussion:  Is this user up to something? He started off alright, but now? I dunno....

without the eBay-rating, you don't know about the late bad beheviour
without the mybb-rating, you could think this user is evil itself, and because of the high postcount, he's an evil spammer...

take the two together and you come to the right conclussion: He's good, but behaved bad lately...

It seems like you're making this more complicated than it needs to be... or maybe I just don't get it...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Postcount: 120
Rating: 60 (on average 1 out of 2 posts are voted positive)

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Now we're back to voting on posts instead of users?

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comments: 10 (but if you click the comments, you'll see that the last 4 are negative...)

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What the...

When you vote on a user, you give a positive or negative vote. These votes make up the total rating/reputation. The comments simply compliment the votes, and are available for curious people to read, so there's no reason to show a comment count along with the rating.

errrr.... ok we're talking about two different things it seems....

Yes, Like I see it, it is for the rating: voting on the posts, and for the comments: voting on the user... (so in short. Aswell as the mybb system (based on posts) as the eBay-system (based on person))

As you see it. It is voting on the user only. (I get it now )
But.... If some one can only vote once for a user, would it work? My doubt is that for making this to work, you have to let vote a lot of people to get a representative figure, no?  I mean, how is it on the other mybb forums? If this works then by all means, yes

Anyways, so actually, if I get it right this time:
* vote on the user (only once, though you can change it always)
* leave an optional comment if you wish (you can only leave 1 comment which you can always change)?

in other words (this is wat Guido suggested if I'm not mistaken... again :/)


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EDIT
ok, major confussion... I reread previous posts.... there, WDZ, you talk about:

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Originally posted by WDZ
a user's posts are what should give you your opinion of a user, because this is a forum, so it makes tons of sense to have the reputation based on posts.

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So what DO you mean?

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Now we're back to voting on posts instead of users?

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See below.

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What exactly do you mean? There's 2 separate ratings?

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See below.

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Originally posted by WDZ
When you vote on a user, you give a positive or negative vote. These votes make up the total rating/reputation. The comments simply compliment the votes, and are available for curious people to read, so there's no reason to show a comment count along with the rating.

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That would be true if my suggestion was applied, but he is wanting (suggesting) both systems to be present at the same time. You can vote each post (it will sum up to the Rating) and you can leave comments about the user itself (1 only) - which will sum to the Comments count.

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It seems like you're making this more complicated than it needs to be...

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I Agree:

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without the eBay-rating, you don't know about the late bad beheviour
without the mybb-rating, you could think this user is evil itself, and because of the high postcount, he's an evil spammer...

take the two together and you come to the right conclussion: He's good, but behaved bad lately...

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Urhhh I don't think newbies (which will be the ones that will benefit the most out of this system because they are the ones who don't know the users) will spend 5 hours trying to descifrate and average every counter in order to get an idea of the character of the user

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could easily be a text representation like in ur idea

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That would make it better. However, I was talking about the current Mybb system (which was the one that was going to be applied) and not what Mybb system might be modded into. That's why I made the suggestion

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
* Titles are still shown, but they refer to the amount of posts like "lurker", "regular poster", "posting freak", not to things like "newbie", "respected", "elite". Although "admin", "mod" is still shown afcourse

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Originally posted by bach_m
not everyone will be able to vote ( i dont think) just elites and up.

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, still I think it would be more fear for everyone to be able to rate each user with the comments system

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Originally posted by WDZ
I'd like it limited, because even with the "one vote per user" system, abusers could register new accounts and vote for their main accounts.

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Blah, not so many people are crazy enough to do that

Anyway, by the voting being disabled for users of, let's say, less than 7 days of registered, this will discourage those kind of dodgy users (nobody will spend a year voting himself just to get a fancy rating).

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Originally posted by WDZ
Maybe admins/mods/elites could start off with positive reputations, so they would be allowed to vote, then as they vote for regular users, the ones that get positive reputations would automatically be allowed to vote, and that would just get the ball rolling, you know?

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Hmmm good idea, but... THAT would be hard to code

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Originally posted by WDZ

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To make things easier I think we should vote/discuss 1 point at the time, otherwise it is pure chaos....

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Yes, definitely... maybe separate threads even... 

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Yeah, but the first issue to decide is whether to use none of the systems, mybb's, mine, something else, or both. Then we can get into another stage: the details of the system.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
But.... If some one can only vote once for a user, would it work?

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If the vote can be changed later, and there's a comment,  yes (my sugg.)

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My doubt is that for making this to work, you have to let vote a lot of people to get a representative figure, no?

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Well, no... If 2 people voted you will have a reputation of 2, which is significant anyways. It just means no more people know you enough, but  as they read the comments made to you they will know you more.

Anyways, so actually, if I get it right this time:

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* vote on the user (only once, though you can change it always)

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No, vote on each post, as many times you like.

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* leave an optional comment if you wish (you can only leave 1 comment which you can always change)

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Yes.

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in other words (this is wat Guido suggested if I'm not mistaken... again :/)

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Sort of, it's my comments system mixed with the reputations thingy.

Still, I think it's much more efficient, easier to code, understandable and user-friendly to have only one system (preferably the per-user one )

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
So what DO you mean?

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I was just defending the default MyBB system, but I'm willing to consider the "vote on users instead of posts" system too.

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Originally posted by Guido
but he is wanting (suggesting) both systems to be present at the same time

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Yeah, now I realize that, and Cookie, I don't like it. Modifying the existing system is one thing, but modifying it AND adding a whole new system? As I said, seems to be more complicated than necessary.

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Originally posted by Guido
Blah, not so many people are crazy enough to do that

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Yeah, but it's something I have to keep in mind as admin of these forums...

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Originally posted by Guido
Hmmm good idea, but... THAT would be hard to code

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I don't think it would be any more difficult than the other suggestions in this thread... not for me anyway.

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Originally posted by WDZ
I don't think it would be any more difficult than the other suggestions in this thread... not for me anyway.

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Anyway, I don't think so many checks are necessary.

As I said, 7-day-registered limit should be enough... because:

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...this will discourage those kind of dodgy users (nobody will spend a year voting himself just to get a fancy rating).

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I'm glad you are considering an alternate system

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Yeah, now I realize that, and Cookie, I don't like it. Modifying the existing system is one thing, but modifying it AND adding a whole new system? As I said, seems to be more complicated than necessary.

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* Guido agrees

ahum ... me again (just gettings things right for 500% )

Combined:
* vote on posts (1 vote per user for each post, can't be changed)
* vote on the user with a comment (1 comment-vote per user for each user, can be changed)
ruled out due to difficulty
(although this would give an almost perfect view of the user... But I agree 100%: new people won't benefit from it; I was forgetting we're on a forum not some kind of character-analyzer-program)


MyBB:
* vote on posts (1 vote per user for each post, can't be changed)
* no comments
Pro: a spammer would post many posts, but will get many negative votes, so he wont spam as much
Pro: a bad user can vote negative on every post he encounters. This can be helped by settings some rules who actually can vote
Con: respected low-posters will have a low reputation

eBay:
* vote on the user (1 vote per user for each user, can be changed)
* you can leave an optional comment with your vote
=> I'll vote this one then

Pro: The comment system.
Pro: Respected low-posters can have a high reputation.
Pro: Spammers will get a low reputation
Con: *I had one, but forgot it, it's 8am, didn't sleep last night*


Do I have it right this time? (please say yes )

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Pro: a bad user can vote negative on every post he encounters. This can be helped by settings some rules who actually can vote

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Isn't that a con?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Do I have it right this time? (please say yes )

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Almost:

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
eBay:
* vote on the user (1 vote per user for each user, can be changed)...
* you can leave an optional comment with your vote

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The original idea is for the comment to be required (to give a reason for the vote), and it would be changeable at any time.

In a short time I'll upload some models

Ok, here are my suggestions, implemented

The reputation displayed in the posts:



When you click in the reputation, you see the reputation summary for that user (click to enlarge):



And this is the form to rate (or edit the rating) members: