Shoutbox

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Originally posted by MenthiX
At a very minimum make http://msgplus.net/ and http://msgplus.net/download.php redirect to msgpluslive.net... because those URLs are mentioned everywhere on the net as the place to get the lastest Plus! version.

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But what if a user is looking for Messenger Plus! and they go to msgplus.net and suddenly redirected to msgpluslive.net ? They won't know what to download and may end up downloading Plus! Live by accident. That's if they don't read the compatibility bit.

You should ask me before starting these long threads .

The plan is this: msgplus.net will be killed and links re-routed to msgpluslive.net. I will not give support for older versions of the software (at least, not officially, people are welcome to ask on the forum). As for the question "then what are you waiting for you moron?", I just just to make sure the current servers are stable enough and the translation of the new site has started. I also don't want to update anybody before 4.01 has been released as it will solve some of the compatibility problems people have been experiencing lately.

Maybe both (plus site and live site) should be redesigned so that on the Plus! site there is a banner listing both versions, but Plus! itself a bit bigger and on the live site vice versa, if you get what I mean.

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Originally posted by Patchou
I will not give support for older versions of the software (at least, not officially, people are welcome to ask on the forum).

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What about all those posts linking to those help pages??? There are still many people using Plus!3 and what not... and they have the right to still get support too IMHO...

Don't kill those help pages !

Maybe don't make them so accessable anymore (eg: from the site itself), but if a link in a forum post points to such a page (and there are a lot of such posts), that page should still be there.

Thanks for the info Patch Now that we're on the subject anyway... same story you just told counts for autoupdate?

The thing is, just like MSN Messenger is being phased out by Microsoft (only left for Windows 98, etc.), Messenger Plus! will inevitably be replaced. When MP3 stopped being compatible with old MSN Messenger versions many complained, but eventually the people who didn't upgrade were well under 1%º.

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Originally posted by Guido
The thing is, just like MSN Messenger is being phased out by Microsoft (only left for Windows 98, etc.), Messenger Plus! will inevitably be replaced. When MP3 stopped being compatible with old MSN Messenger versions many complained, but eventually the people who didn't upgrade were well under 1%º.

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very true, but:
1) it's a bitch that old info pages on messenger aren't accessable anymore.
2) when MP3 stopped supporting old messengers, iinformation on MP3 wasn't pruned, so it's not the same
3) we are still a long way from the fact that everybody will have Windows XP, WLM and only Plus! Live.

Don't get me wrong, everything does evolve. But the issue is information/help/support pages... It isn't good to simply prune existing information while many people still depend on that information. Prune it when nobody needs it anymore, not in the middle (or even at the beginning) of a shift...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
1) it's a bitch that old info pages on messenger aren't accessable anymore.
2) when MP3 stopped supporting old messengers, iinformation on MP3 wasn't pruned, so it's not the same
3) we are still a long way from the fact that everybody will have Windows XP, WLM and only Plus! Live.

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Just to clarify, I agree with keeping the help pages. I'd say redirecting index.php and download.php to the new website is enough (keeping the rest in a corner of the new server, shouldn't take much visits or load).

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Don't kill those help pages

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That's what HTTP reply code 301 is for

bha.. if it makes you happy, I'll keep some of the old help pages on the old server

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Originally posted by Patchou

bha.. if it makes you happy, I'll keep some of the old help pages on the old server

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Why not just copy all the help pages to msgpluslive.net and then do some .htaccess editing so that when someone trys to access the old help files it redirects to the ones at msgpluslive.net?