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Hi. I was just wondering if to would be okay to put link to msgpluslive.net on my website (www.pervgallery.co.nr). The site is about catching perverts on chat rooms, and I'm making a section about how to catch one yourself. I'm planning on saying something along the lines of "Make your Display Name look more convincing by using Messenger Live Plus! to change it pink".

Thanks,
ViperBlade

Omg you site is so cool! i love how you catch out all the perv's you should actually dob them into the police or a child protection agency.

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Originally posted by MeEtc
http://msgpluslive.net/more/banners/

here are the official banners that you can use

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I believe this question would be better suited to be answered by Patchou because of the nature of the topic.

I think it would be best to email Patchou about this topic at mplus@patchou.com

If the banners are there for the use of the world, hence he is allowd using them.

"Do you want to promote Messenger Plus! Live? It couldn't be easier! We provide you with the banners and the code to do so."

I'm not sure about the site either, like markee...

Stuff and sites like that are also quite often used to post private stuff about people because "they annoyed me" or as a "revenge".

I strongly believe in being innocent until prooven guilty. It is not up to the public to judge other people just like that out of the blue. And this will/does happen on sites like this.

If I'm talking to a young girl and I say something to offend her or we have a fight, without even remotely talking about sex, that girl (or 18 your old guy for all I know) can easly put my profile on such sites.

Hence, I don't agree with such "mass hanging by the public" sites.
Catching pedofiles is a work for the police, not for you... They are trained for it, and there is a reason for it.

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we go onto teen chatrooms pretending to be gullible little girls, sitting there, waiting for someone to talk to us. Sometimes pervs start a convo with a friendly "Hey, how are you?", but you know you've got a real perv when they send "35-m-uk with cam. what's ur MSN?". After talking to him on MSN, pretending to be shy and unsure about cyber-sex, we show our faces and send the message "Welcome to www.pervgallery.co.nr! Expect to be on the site within the hour!".
Pure genius!

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Even just this paragraph (and even the first sentence alone) makes we wanna avoid everything with that site all together. As I find this just as bad as actual pedofily.

eg: imagine 'they' are sitting in #banana. With all the fun talk and way of expressing there (of which I do not want to judge anybody, it's simple they way it is) 'they' could report a hell of a lot of people there, just because they are talking in the way they talk...

I do not agree with such practices. Mostly because there is always a chance of accusing someone without any reason, maybe not by you people, but certainly by others who can submit their catches. And also because even if you 'catch' a real pedofile, it wouldn't solve anything at all. The pedofile in question will not stop his/her practices and will not be punished either.

So what if they appear on that site, they simply change from email address or whatever and carry on... And above all, many people don't even use their real name, address, etc, especially pedofiles. The only thing real is quite often only the webcam shot.


If you want to take this serious and actually help, I'd suggest to remove those logs and everything else from the site, and instead contact the proper instances each time and submit your 'catches' to them instead. They will properly investigate and will take action if needed.

eg: http://www.ecops.be/ if you live in Belgium
And on WLM you can report them by going to "Help > Report Abuse".


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So, I'm not sure about the linkage with Plus! to something like this either, but that's my opinion...

As markee suggested, contact Patchou...

Well thanks for all of the positive (and negative ) feedback.
I was at work when I posted the message, so I didn't really have the time to go hunting the Internet for Patchou's E-mail address. Thanks markee.
Also, I'm aware that what we're doing is morally no better than 'white hat hacking' but certainly more legal! I completely understand CookieRevised's opinion of the site, which is partly why it's undergoing a serious update at the moment (hence my post here about advertising). We'll soon be using a desktop recording program to record our catches as they happen, therefore providing more proof/evidence. Most of the pages are being rephrased too.
Part of the reason I posted here was also to see a broader public reaction to the site itself. Messages from 11 year olds that are beginning to discover the tangle of lies that is the Internet aren't exactly very elaborative, so thanks for the input.

ViperBlade
(P.S. Many thanks to those who registered)

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
Also, I'm aware that what we're doing is morally no better than 'white hat hacking' but certainly more legal!

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I wouldn't exactly say it is more legal either. You're breaking almost every privacy rule there is...

Not to mention you're on the edge of spreading child porn also...

And what you do (tempting and luring others) is also illegal in many countries, especially when it is done by non-licensed professionals. And just because of that, the cases can even be dismissed (if there would be a case at all since you do this all on your own). Not exactly helpfull I'd say...

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
We'll soon be using a desktop recording program to record our catches as they happen, therefore providing more proof/evidence.

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how would that provide more evidence if I may ask? The only thing you would be proving with that is that you didn't tamper with the logs (to a certain extent, as it could still be tampered with/faked actually).

I suggest to contact proper authorities if you really want to help out. They will guide you and/or giving you advise of how to do such stuff and how to proceed (and they will also say that what you're doing now is not helping at all though).

LOL @ spreading child porn. How would that be exactly? I don't have any on my computer, and i'm not sending them any. Still, reading that gave me a laugh

As previously stated, I know we're being kinda viligante here, but it's for a good cause. Even if the people we catch aren't prosecuted by law, knowing that everything they've said to me, as well as certain personally indentifiable information is being posted on the Internet is enough to discourage these people. Have you heard catch #0015? He wanted to drive down to Clacton so he could get a young girl to 'help him feel good'!

The point of the site is to make the Internet a slightly safer place, and it appears to be working because it's getting harder and harder to find these people. Obviously because they're now being a little vigilant, and they know that Big Brother is watching!

Also, if they try to prosecute me they'll have to tell the police how we managed to get their E-mail address and why. I'm not too sure anyone would be comfortable going to a police station and saying "Hi. I recently had my face, name and E-mail address posted on the Internet without my permisson because I wanted to have cybersex with an underage girl".

Anyways, I apologise if I come across as being condescending, rude, or ignorant. And thanks again for your input and opinion.

No hard feelings, eh?
ViperBlade

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
LOL @ spreading child porn. How would that be exactly?

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The pictures you send to the people to trick them.

There is even a screenshot of a chat were you (or one of your co-tricksters) send a picture of a youngster taking a bad. This can be seen as spreading child porn.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
As previously stated, I know we're being kinda viligante here, but it's for a good cause.

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the cause is good, but the path to it is not.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
Even if the people we catch aren't prosecuted by law, knowing that everything they've said to me, as well as certain personally indentifiable information is being posted...

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which is illegal

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
...on the Internet is enough to discourage these people.

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I beg to differ. They wont be discouraged at all. They change email address (if they change it at all) and continue.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
Have you heard catch #0015? He wanted to drive down to Clacton so he could get a young girl to 'help him feel good'!

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Then report it to the authoritites.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
The point of the site is to make the Internet a slightly safer place,

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No it is not.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
and it appears to be working because it's getting harder and harder to find these people. Obviously because they're now being a little vigilant, and they know that Big Brother is watching!

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If it seems to be harder and harder it is because people know they get prosecuted if they are cought. But cought by the authorities, not cought by you. And if it was because of what you do, then this also makes it harder for the proper authorities to catch these people. So in the end, you again aren't helping as those people will simply cover their tracks more to no being cought; they wont dissapear.

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
Anyways, I apologise if I come across as being condescending, rude, or ignorant.

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not at all

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Originally posted by ViperBlade
No hard feelings, eh?

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absolutely not... Though, doesn't mean I agree with what you do, on the contrary.

Isnt there a "Report Abuse" button on Windows Live Messenger nowadays?