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Based on your logic they have to restart Windows Live Messenger for more credits. I haven't installed the script therefore I am not familiar with this credit system you have but I assume it means you can only receive 50 SMS messages before needing to restart. Why I am not sure.

No. Its means you can hack my code easily and get more credits. (for old version of course)

BUT likely we had change this method and remove all mail/status/parse functions from jscript.

Trust me, this method really good for everyone. Just a little restart. Just that. This is not a big step :):) (we're not going to mars just restart to messenger)

BTW, PLSC Basic DLL is ready, i had remove all TLB from DLL. Of course many features are disabled but the main SMS & Extra status still available.
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Why are you limiting the credits available per session? That is a bit ridiculous don't you think? Or do you somehow get charged for this?
04-09-2009 02:46 PM
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Why are you limiting the credits available per session? That is a bit ridiculous don't you think? Or do you somehow get charged for this?

Session? i do not understand.

I give 50 credit (FOR BEGINNING and substructure for future) every new account. Because, this product still beta and it need to be tested. Our SMS are free. If you finish your 50 credit you can install new 50 credit too.



Right now almost 1000 user use this tool (generally for extra status and youtube downloader). 690 sms sent every day (~) (if you want, i can give full statistic for this). In this moment we are OK. In the future maybe we will stop this free service and say "you can use this free tool but you need to purchase credits yourself.". FYI, we dont need money for ourselfs. If someone pay for sms, it goes to sms service. not to us. ;)

Shortly, it's free.

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Why is it not an option for users to have unlimited SMS? I don't understand the reason for allowing only 50 SMS?
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Why is it not an option for users to have unlimited SMS? I don't understand the reason for allowing only 50 SMS?

I ask the same question to ICQ developers (as you know icq have sms system) and answer is "are you crazy"? So, for me, yes there is an option. When beta tests is finish, i give unlimited sms (no promise :P )...

(Actually i didnt ask :D because i know the answer. [top secret])

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Ok why conform to other developers who's software isn't widely used? Windows Live Messenger you can send unlimited messages to a mobile phone.

I rest my case.
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Ok why conform to other developers who's software isn't widely used? Windows Live Messenger you can send unlimited messages to a mobile phone.

I rest my case.

If u say "Messenger already have a SMS system", i must say;

Some countries not supported. And some phone operatores is not free. Please read all documents before using MSN services.

For example:

Messenger cannot send any messages to you when someone sign in, Messenger cannot send any alert (important messages) to your phone.

In the past, i had used messenger sms feature. But when they decided to remove this feature for my country, i did this program. But holaaa my country again support for this feature BUT when i receive sms from messenger (microsoft) 2 credit down from my phone credits (Turkcell, avea, vodafone have a credit system)

I hope u understand why im using/developing this tool...

Thank you for this great conversation and have fun for who using this tool.


Ohh BTW, you cannot send a sms to your offline friends like Messenger mobile users. If someone write message to u, this tool send a message for this or you can set custom sms notifications. Really useful.

Wii.

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I was refering to this: http://get.live.com/messenger/mobile.

Not all countries have a "credit" system for SMS. For instance my phone package I have unlimited send/recieve for text messages.
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RE: I need Beta Testers...
Wii, can you explain (as good as possible and as far as your English allows you to) how this script actually works?

Because from reading this thread all I can feel is that it is made way too complex and a mess to be honest... DLLs, TLBs, EXEs, ... I mean, why are they all needed?

A 'simple' script with a 'simple' DLL* (to send the SMS) should be sufficient. I also don't understand all the talk about registry changes, installations, the need to reboot, breaking the DLL if you restart the script**, etc...

Why do you actually need the Messenger Library for?

I wont use this script and will not even try or test it as I very strongly feel, from what I've read in this thread, it will mess many things up, pollute my registry, register some ActiveXs, etc.. from what I've read in this thread.

So to make me understand and to take that bad feeling away, can you explain how the script, the DLLs, the EXEs all interact with eachother, what their purposes are, etc? Maybe using some graphical workflow graphics or something, dunno...


* And if the purpose of the DLL is to send an SMS than it can mostlikely also be done directly within the scripting language. Plus! scripting supports Windows APIs, you can connect to the internet with that, connect to modems, etc.

** If a script reload breaks the DLL then that DLL is indeed very badly written as a script restart should not matter, even not to prevent users from cheating. In fact, if you talk about registering an email to recieve 50 free SMS then I assume something registers the email on some online service. It is up to the DLL and/or this service to 'detect' reregistering or cheating. In the end, a script restart should realy not matter at all and in fact it is very crucial for a proper script and proper DLL to allow stopping, restarting, enabling and disabling. A proper written script and DLL can communicate with eachother directly without breaking anything (and without using precious resources and cpu cycles) if one or the other fails to load or is reloaded.

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Thanks for the explanation.

It answers some of my questions, but on the other hand it also confirms what I first thought:

Everything your program does can be done from within a Messenger Plus! script. You don't need any DLLs, TLBs or ActivX EXEs.

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Since the EXEs and DLLs are ActivXs they need registering too, so your program uses more than just the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/MG Yazilim/MsgBotLive/ key.
Speeking of which, is there a specific reason why you use HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and not HKEY_CURRENT_USER to store settings? You should always use HKEY_CURRENT_USER to store user specific stuff so that settings from different Windows users don't conflict with eachother.

As for the (lack of) unicode support in VB6, you can use Windows APIs to show unicode characters and even allow LTR support, so you don't need an OCX for that. Or you can also use a RichtText editbox instead of a Label control, which fully supports Unicode.
But this said, you wouldn't have problems with unicode if you made this as a pure Messenger Plus! script in the first place.


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So, please explain to me. I see many DLL and EXE files in Messenger Plus! Live directory. Can i ask why? Of course yes i can ask this but NO!. If there is any dll came with MP!L its mean MPL need this dll. Ohh BTW, MsgPlus have a own registry entires. Can i ask why? No. This is patchou's program. Not mine.

Last day i download MessengerDiscovery2 from web. Great tool. Made with .net. Can i ask why are you using dll and exe's? This is not ethic.
The big difference is that Messenger Plus! needs those DLLs and registry keys. Your program realy does not; it can be made as a pure Messenger Plus! script without the need of any EXEs and DLLs.

If it was possible for Messenger Plus! to function without the need of the DLL and registry keys than Patchou would have made it so. In fact, in the past, there was an EXE. But Patchou found a better way to do what Plus! does without the need of the EXE, so he removed it. This is the same for your program: There are better way ways to do what your program does.

So, it isn't a matter of whos program it is. The question is can it be (easly) done without the need of resource hogging DLLs, ActiveX EXEs, OCXs and TLBs. And the answer is: yes it can, you really do not need all those external files since everything your program does can be done from within Plus! scripting. On top of that, you wouldn't have the problems like unicode support, restarting, installing, registering, etc if you made it as a Plus! script. And to top it off, the whole package would be extremely smaller in size, lightweight and far more transparant. Also people trust open source scripting much more than closed source DLLs and EXEs, especially if it seems that they are not needed.

As for MessengerDiscovery. That is a completely other thing and functions in a completely different way than Messenger Plus! and your program. For starters, your program needs and uses Plus! scripting in some extent already. MessengerDiscovery doesn't use Plus! coding and must provide its own backbone. MessengerDiscovery does things which requires the stuff it comes with, your program does not require those things. Your program doesn't need parallel threads and processing side by side with Messenger to do what it does and it can function perfectly from within the scripting (in fact it would probably be more stable than it is now).

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...im using TLB for parse email without any hacks and parse all list very FAST and detailed.

If you  ask for what reason. I can explain that:

For example my account is 123@wii.com. If i open my credit status window, program parse my account info from web. If i change this email from script like my friends email 456@wii.com i can see 456's user information, remaing credits, phone numbers. But if i use TLB for parse email, user cannot change this. ONLY if you are really have this mail you can see your own information.

Then I'm afraid to say that the system you're using as the online service is realy very very insecure. It would be very easy for people to see and change other people's user information, even with the method you use now.

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Note that the stuff I ask and say is to try to improve your program and to show that it is possible to do what you want without the need of all those extra external files. It is just advise. Of course you decide what you do with your program, but I think it would benefit both you and your potential users.

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