This is a request for anyone with advanced skills in graphic design and website making... Patchou is handing out the project to one (maybe 2) people to design and full make the new site.

Anyone wishing to apply, could they please send an example of graphics/sites you have designed with proof and your experiences with website design to:

<<thread closed>>

All applicants will be considered and then Patchou will mail the person given the task with a tree of designs, etc...

Note: The new website will take a lot of work and be very in depth, for example, long extensive answers to FAQ's etc. Therefore knowledge of Plus! would be ideal.

Thank you.
(Post made on behalf of Patchou).

The mail can't be delivered (i can't send it) Write if you want it here.

Kaare

Well i have already been speaking to patchou, he was saying when the site is made i can do a interactive plus! agent to do a newbbie tour and explanationon howto use plus

Maybe you should get a few people to check the english in it :Refuck:

sorry but I dont have any proof to give

www.msgplus.net is gonna be the new domain for the new site then? that would be cool!

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www.msgplus.net is gonna be the new domain for the new site then? that would be cool!

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I like the idea of Messenger plus is going to be in the new site. When will the new version of messenger plus! come out anywayz?

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Cant Wait til mp2 is out im really looknig forward to it, keep up the good work patchou and i think a new asite is a great idea

By the end of the year?  i can't wait for this msg plus 2!  I know it's going to be great!  keep up the good work, patchou!

Yes, the first public version of MP2 will be released by the end of the year, if everything continues to go well.

The new web site is VERY important, I count on all of you... if you are talented, email Johnny. Here are the restrictions: I want something bright, not dark with some nice graphics... a great web site as we see nowadays on the web!

I do not want java applets (javascript is ok) and keep in mind that I'm the one who will put content and who will administrate the site. So what I request is a template that can be modified (possibility to add pages and menus). Of course, I will allow the creator of the site to put its copyright at the bottom of every page. Also, note that I'll be the one who will host the site. Thanks to Johnny, we now have www.msgplus.net... the site will still be hosted on patchou.com and msgplus.net will be used as a forward adress (at least, for now).

At the end of the week I'll pick a designer and I expect him to be able to do a first draft of the site in 10 days.... however, if you think that makind a great site takes more time, I have no problem with that.. I prefer to wait and have a excellent result at the end .

Also, I'm searching for a graphic artist who will be able to do some logos for the software and the site.... for that too, email Johnny. The chosen one will receive a beta version of MP2 asap so that he can think about where to put some nice/light graphics to make the interface more enjoyable.

Even if I'm not on the forum lately, I assure you that I don't forget about all of you... MP2 is progressing well, you'll all soon have the chance of seeing it in action thanks to the work of my alpha testers .

Tchuss!
Patchou.

I don't currently have any proof..but if I were to throw together a quick template or sketch, would i be able to call that my 'proof'?

Any ideas, designs drawings, sketches, of any logos, templates or anything are good enough. I have also got copied of all the logos posted in the other threads.

Way to go patchou.......... hope u'll find what u r looking 4

excellent, alright, thanks jmac, i'll put somethin together tonite!

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Well i have already been speaking to patchou, he was saying when the site is made i can do a interactive plus! agent to do a newbbie tour and explanationon howto use plus

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Announcement on mess.be now

Just saw it nethin on MSN Fanatic or their forums ?

I want to help but i am just a beginner in making a website.  ha ha...hope Patchou can find the right person who can help.  Looks like Messenger Plus! is really coming along!

I would strongly encourage Patchou, and all involved in the development of this new web site,  to at least consider the potential accessibility issues associated with the site, for persons with disabilities.  In my case, I'm visually impaired, and access the 'net via auditory means only.  A fancy web site with lots of nice looking graphics does me NO good whatsoever if it cannot be navigated with the keyboard, and/or no 'alt=' text is provided for any of the images/links. 

The keyboard navigability of Plus! itself is questionable in places, at least in the 1.42b version, so I can only hope that this has been addressed somewhat in the next release.

The following site may be of interest to those involved:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/

Thank you for your consideration of the matter.  I look forward to the launch of the new site, and, more importantly,  to the release of MP2!

yep yep, the most important is the release of MP2!  which i love the most! 

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He imitated windows logo. Thats why its like that

I like the logo, it could be a bit fuller tho

Answer to tibbsa: yes, I've considered this in MP2 and every window can be easily navigated using the keyboard... I've put extra care just to be sure that people with dîsabilities can use the software easily.

Concerning logos and web site, I hope all of you send your work to Johnny because he'll be the one to compute the results for me and we will choose together.

Pathou i was thinking what about using PHP-Nuke or a similar news kind of style like WinBeta and XBeta? Then all you would need i some good PHPers WDZ is one and somone to do sets of graphics. And my lil people Agents

That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

hey,

i would HIGHLY recomend to use php. as this new msg+2 site is going to be updated and very busy. Php is much more flexible, and stable.

may i also recomend a CMS. PHP nuke sucks! use e107

hey,

i would HIGHLY recomend to use php. as this new msg+2 site is going to be updated quite often and very busy. PHP is much more better suited to this envioment.

may i also recomend a CMS. PHP nuke sucks!!

use e107
http://jalist.com  -  the best PHP CMS around.

with e107 everything is runback end with php. once installed its very powerful,flexible,stable and easy to use.

if you are running the site from your own home Server it is also avalible in .tar.gz so should work with Linux.

USE e107 PLZ!

it also has lots of very usful plugins..
e107....e107...e107

yep, there is database suppot on my web site... php, asp, whatever you want as long as it's a cool web site . I just want to be able to add some content myself without too many problems.

hey

i think that a site thats going to be constantly updated and as busy as MP2 is going to defintly be PHP. Also a CMS for this would also take great ease of the web master as page could be php rendered at the click of a button.

im no php wizzard but i know it pretty well. but i am quite good at making logos/graphics il post some of my MP2 logos laters.

Cya Guys

ok dont use php-nuke but i think you should use that kind of style for a website

i agree. i've used phpnuke and postnuke before. they are good, but after taking a look at e107, i think its much better. i also think that the site should be run on that CMS. then the only development needed is the template. any php wizard can put together one of those easily. or you can download one of many from the net. i'm not an expert but i could probly stumble my way through a template...

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That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

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Well I have Been Long Time Away from u guys ... am somehow back
well
this is a great idea  if i had time i would have made it .. but i advice u patchou that the designer make the web in php and that to know it very well... u know this.. forum will be from ur site ... php is very imp language for design and very risky..

If Patchou's host supports PHP/SQL, then I think the new site should definitely take advantage of that.

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Looking for a php programmer?

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* WDZ looks at self... found one!

well i think it wont be any site ...
i think patchou is going to make forum about vb too and that would be a large feild ... maybe java soon i know them and i will help

I'll be happy to design a PHP and MySQL backend for the site with full adminitration scripts.

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I might as well repeat this again as people are going off on their own ideas.

Anyone wishing to make a site, php or whatever you like... please e-mail:

johnny_mac@msgplus.net

Applications can only be taken from there... no requests for adding images or anything will be taken off the forum.

thats mate for agreeing. i would STRONGLY recomend a CMS. use e107..its the best CMS out there.

and it is relased under the GNU so you can modyfy it as you wish and modfy the themes/plugins as you wish.

plz dudes be wise...use e107

logo version 1..
*more soon*

can't be used due to law protection of the msn logo

ah k bloody corprate whores.im not going to take part in the site.

but surly you dont need any designs submitting if you are going to consider using CMS as the design is all rendered for you -  its php.

an HTML site woundt be suited to MSNPLUS2 enviorment...they cannot be updated on the fly..they are not as interactive and interactivity would be an important factor scene as the site will be very busy.

using CMS makes sense using HTML will just make life harder.

i presume that idea has already been up and you maybe havent read it?..hm...

p.s. does any1 have the big messneger icon?

well, i did take a webpage disign coarse in school, I am no PHP, or advanced script person, however Frontpage Servers work good, its easy fast, looks good, and when you change the link all the pages links will change. If you know how to use frontpage it can work really well.

Have you considered that if you can not find any people who can do PHP or any other website scripts?

I know PHP, and i am quite comforatble with using a MySQL backend... I'll be happy to HELP with the site, but i havent got the time to do the whole thing...

i c what you mean, frontpage isn't as nice as PHP, I agree.

but if you know everything about frontpage you can make a pretty nice site for minimal effort. I don't think you will need it but it maybe be something to think about. I have no more comments about this cause i'm not going to go on saying frontpage rocks. cause it doesn't, PHP can blow frontpage away, and the problem is with frontpage is it goes by the rule of, What You See Is What You Get.

PHP would be nice, however, patchou would need a permanent web master if he does not know PHP, or he would have to lean it. At the same time there is the problem that he would need frontpage to edit his page, which is not cheap so either way would have its problems. I would pick PHP. Patchou would have to think about it and decide for himself.

The reason why it is so hard to edit frontpage in its HTML is because the HTML is all scrambled and very hard to decode. But PHP is easy to decode if you know it well. because it was wrote by hand and is all neat (or it can be). But like i said, you have to know it.

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i c what you mean, frontpage isn't as nice as PHP, I agree.

but if you know everything about frontpage you can make a pretty nice site for minimal effort. I don't think you will need it but it maybe be something to think about. I have no more comments about this cause i'm not going to go on saying frontpage rocks. cause it doesn't, PHP can blow frontpage away, and the problem is with frontpage is it goes by the rule of, What You See Is What You Get.

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i c what you mean, frontpage isn't as nice as PHP, I agree.

but if you know everything about frontpage you can make a pretty nice site for minimal effort. I don't think you will need it but it maybe be something to think about. I have no more comments about this cause i'm not going to go on saying frontpage rocks. cause it doesn't, PHP can blow frontpage away, and the problem is with frontpage is it goes by the rule of, What You See Is What You Get.

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FrontPage is for amateurs, if you are doing a site in HTML, or even PHP, Dreamweaver is what you want.

www.purplespider.co.uk

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i c what you mean, frontpage isn't as nice as PHP, I agree.

but if you know everything about frontpage you can make a pretty nice site for minimal effort. I don't think you will need it but it maybe be something to think about. I have no more comments about this cause i'm not going to go on saying frontpage rocks. cause it doesn't, PHP can blow frontpage away, and the problem is with frontpage is it goes by the rule of, What You See Is What You Get.

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FrontPage is for amateurs, if you are doing a site in HTML, or even PHP, Dreamweaver is what you want.

www.purplespider.co.uk

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no you dont, all you need is notpad

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hmm, i heard of dreamweavre, heard it is good, does it really do PHP?

frontpage can be for amatures, after you learn the extensions, it can be useful. but i see no need to use the extensions for the purpose of this site that is coming

MPOV:

Why do we need php weblog... the site will be updated as much as it is now... why not just streach some effort out and make it nice, but without a sumbitty weblog thing.  

hmm, your write why are we talking about this, Whatever looks nice will work. and its turning into a conversation about PHP vs HTML.

Why are all here talking about FP and DreamWeaver when you have html code to do? No need for WYSIWYG editors (What You See Is What You Get). If I should be making code in DW or FP i would die!

That's my point of view.

Kastermester

It seems that some people aren't really clear about what PHP is. PHP is something that runs on the server and outputs HTML... it can't be compared with HTML. If you mean "PHP vs. no PHP," then that makes sense.

And I agree with Johnny... we shouldn't "go overboard"... a CMS packed with features isn't really needed...

When will the new website will be started?

will our membership still be valid on the new msgplus2 website forums?

Personally this is what i tihnk

When some of you said frontpage isnt as nice as php, thats technically wrong, because frontpage is a program while php is a scripting lang.

Scondly, Dreamweaver is for people who love to confuse themselves.

I like to use FP in collaboration with notepad, this way i get an easy to use WYSIWYG interface and I dont have to bother about adding wrong html.

For the php part, i jus copy the code and paste in FP, it will show up the same, just without the php scripts (coz i dont haf enuf space left on my HDD to install php)

thats about all

p.s. softboy, the websites gonna change, not the forums...

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Note: All applications are now in, and thank you to everyone, you will recieve a notice in the next few days whether or not you have been successful, and Thank you again.

As I noticed the work that had gone into the site, Patchou was made aware of it... and thank you for the work.

There is a download link for ...200a.exe is this the alpha version? (I haven't downloaded it but I don't think it should be there.

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That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

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Looking for a php programmer? Is there some php programmers out there, hmmm no-one to see. ´But i trully forgotten that i cannot see my self , i am quite good at php i have made som big systems in php i would be able to make nearly everything i wanted to. I would like to help and i have allready sendt a mail

Kaare

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Normally, when everything goes according to plan, and most of the bugs are out, it will be somewhere around newyear, or even sooner, christmas

smg: your site rocks!!!
* user2319 thinks its cool

Nice work further, but the page-turning is a bit slow. No big deal tho

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That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

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Looking for a php programmer? Is there some php programmers out there, hmmm no-one to see. ´But i trully forgotten that i cannot see my self , i am quite good at php i have made som big systems in php i would be able to make nearly everything i wanted to. I would like to help and i have allready sendt a mail

Kaare

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Well you and WDZ i am sure can work together and a few more people

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That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

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Looking for a php programmer? Is there some php programmers out there, hmmm no-one to see. ´But i trully forgotten that i cannot see my self , i am quite good at php i have made som big systems in php i would be able to make nearly everything i wanted to. I would like to help and i have allready sendt a mail

Kaare

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Well you and WDZ i am sure can work together and a few more people

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Kastermester / Kaare

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That would be cool if it was PHP-based... all the help documents could use the same template and be generated by PHP. To add an FAQ page, you could just click a button and type some stuff into a form...

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Looking for a php programmer? Is there some php programmers out there, hmmm no-one to see. ´But i trully forgotten that i cannot see my self , i am quite good at php i have made som big systems in php i would be able to make nearly everything i wanted to. I would like to help and i have allready sendt a mail

Kaare

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Well you and WDZ i am sure can work together and a few more people

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I'd like to.

Kastermester / Kaare

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It would be really cool if you could combine my layout with php

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I've done a draft of "my" new site for Messenger Plus! 2. Please note that the content is almost the same of the one Patchou has nowadays, and I have gently taken some other text (only some text) from SMG, but I just wanted to be how could MP2 Site look like...

Hope i'm not late, because i spent a lot of time doing this site. Hope you like it!!!


SEE IT HERE
Please tell me what you think...!

THAT is a brilliant design, Johnny, please, for the sake of all that is holy in the webdesign world, accept that, then let him fix his coding error on line 1!

yea i agree, you two should combine ur efforts, smg u got the idea, and gfd has the graphic ability...since smg already has submitted, then if u two combined i'm sure it would kick major ass

...i may be able to help in some ways...

btw, fab layout u haf over there... although the content looks really plain

gr8 design gfd!!!

not bad good work my friend but i  still find a php site is a must

I can do some PHP, and yes, i keep getting teh same error [line 1]

Anyhow, my MSN is fr33z3, so if you want, feel free to contact me

[to see one of my php examples: http://mongtastic.be It is in dutch, but you get the idea ]

and indeed, i think it is a little too xp-style alike. I don't think ANY of us here like MS, so why support them by making a site that looks like winXP???

I think GFD has enough graphical capabilities to make an original, non-ms related design, that may rock as well. The lay-out I really like tho

Sorry but not every on here dislikes MS...

And you are right GFD's site and images remind your of existing logos....and reminds you of somethiing or other. Hes yet to get an original idea... but sure he's put a lot of work into it.

Your site is good one ..  But Patchou is looking for brighter colours and shades. Hes the client .... you have to consider his wishes right ?

And instead of doing it alone you can do it together... It will bring in more ideas...and thoughts.. the ultimate result will be the best

Hmm, first of all, i'd wait till patchou has chosen a logo only then we can start seeiing what colours to use...

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Well.... my idea... why should just *1* do the site... i mean... for example... why not let GFD create the design and then let somebody else convert it to PHP.

I'm not saying GFD should be in, i have no control on that, his draft is very very great tough.

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Actually, you can insert PHP inside the HTML code.... (in php files)

u can insert html into php files but not php in html files...kinda confusing right...coz in actual fact you can mix html and php together, but then again you cant ...lol

Great Work GFD, I Love The Site You Made.

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greetings smg

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aww gee thanks for ripping me off

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4. something's seriously wrong with the FAQ below the second <horizontal rule>, if you want to rip me off there too, download /msgplus/download_content.html and then use predefined css styles to change it to your fonts and stuff.

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5. you forgot to rip off the good bits of my site like
<body style="border-style: none;">,
<script language="javascript"><!--//
if(navigator.appName == "Microsoft Int............ and so on

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Other than that, you've done some nice photoshoping PM me your MSN and maybe we could combine the best of both worlds

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And please for fucks sake put SMG back where it belongs, I dont care if our names together just dont make it look 100% original because it isn't, sorry for being rude.

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u can insert html into php files but not php in html files...kinda confusing right...coz in actual fact you can mix html and php together, but then again you cant ...lol

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yes it's pretty confusing I don't know how to completely program PHP but I think I know how it works... and actually you put php inside html, don't you? of course, the file is .php but INSIDE the html you open <php? or something like that I now don't remember and when you close that tag you can use html again... maybe i'm wrong... but anyway, that's not the point of this thread

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you can actually place html inside php by starting with  <?  instead of <html> getting back to the topic...

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you can actually place html inside php by starting with  <?  instead of <html> getting back to the topic...

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http://freeze.mongtastic.be/msgplus/


There ya have it, my contribution, nice and clean, and without errors AND in full php... as most of you want it

The rest of teh pages will be uploaded ASAP. so don't nag about the include errors pleez

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without errors AND in full php...don't nag about the include errors pleez

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i think it is a little too xp-style alike. I don't think ANY of us here like MS, so why support them by making a site that looks like winXP

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Heh... You Tell Him GFD!!

yeah, may i tell you something, it's not because i don't like microsoft's attitude, that i don't like microsoft's products, especially the free ones


Sorry if i didn't made that clear, my mistake

And about the errors... what's wrong with those, read my previous post once more..... i ment that there were no errors, and there are none, the only thing is, those pages aren't up yet.... so, no actual errors, only no content

It's Still Not Clear... You DON'T Like Their Free Products? ie. MSN Messenger? If Not, Why Use It.. Or This Site/Extension For That Matter?

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And about the errors... what's wrong with those, read my previous post once more.....

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nono feww, i really need to write pages of hundreds of words here for someone to understand me just kidding aye, nono, i don't like microsoft's aggressive marketing, and teh way to high prices for windows... but i DO like windows, and all of the products, especially the FREE products [I especially LIKE the free products]


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About the arrows, I indeed think they're too XP-stylish, but i couldn't find any better ones ^^

Well, now you know
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lolololol Alrighty Then

yesyes, but now... back to work, HOW DO YOU LIKE TEH SITE?

except for teh TEMPORARY errors [untill i get content ]

not bad at all
only remark i have: it would be better to open the forum in a frame, and giving a link for people who would like to see it fullscreen

The discussion for who designs makes and uses whatever to make the new site is over. Discussion will continue between the people involved.

Topic Closed.

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