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PSP or DS? by .blade// on 07-28-2004 at 11:54 PM

Well as was said at E3 2004, the Sony PSP (Playstation Portable) and the Nintendo DS (Dual Screen) are going to be released within the next 9 months or so. My question is, which are you most looking forward to/planning to buy?

I am planning to buy a Sony PSP when they come out.

The estimated prices for the new portable devices are (in Canadian dollars [CAD])
Nintendo DS  -  $300
Sony PSP  -  between $300 and $400 (est.)


Sony PSP is more powerful and has a bright vibrant screen with almost the same stat.s as the PS2 when it comes to power, the ability to play music and videos, and an est, 8 hour battery life. It has a strong line-up of games on the way and a sleek, portable design.



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PSP Specifications (gamespot):
http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6072659.html

PSP CPU Core

MIPS R4000 32-bit core
128-bit bus
1-333MHz (1.2V)
8MB eDRAM main memory
2.6Gbps bus bandwidth
FPU, VFPU (2.6 billion flops)
3D graphics extended instructions
I Cache, D Cache

PSP Media Engine

MIPS R4000 32-bit core
128-bit bus
1-333MHz (1.2V)
2MB eDRAM submemory
I-Cache, D-Cache
90nm CMOS

PSP Graphics Core

1-166MHz (1.2V)
256-bit bus
2MB eDRAM (VRAM)
5.3Gbps bus bandwidth
664 million pixels per second pixel fill rate
3D curved surface and 3D polygon engine
Support for compressed textures, hardware clipping, morphing, bone, tessellation, bezier, b-spline (NURBS)
Maximum of 33 million polygons per second
24-bit full color (RGBA)

Sound Core

VME (Virtual Mobile Engine)
Reconfigurable DSP
166MHz (1.2 V)
128-bit bus
5 giga operations per second
CODEC capabilities
3D sound, 7.1 channels
Synthesizer, effecter, and other abilities
ATRAC3 plus, AAC, MP3 for audio

Media

UMD (Universal Media Disc)
60mm-diameter disc
660nm laser diode
1.8GB capacity (dual-layered disc)
11Mbps transfer rate
AES crypto system
Unique disc ID
Shockproof
Regional code system
Parental lock system
Repeat ordering system

Other Specifications

16:9-format widescreen TFT LCD (480x272 pixels, 24-bit full color)
MPEG4 AVC decoder
Wireless LAN (802.11)
IrDA (Infrared Data Association)
USB 2.0
Memory Stick
AV in/out
Stereo headphone out
Lithium ion battery
Expansion port





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The Nintendo DS has a windfall of N64 games comming with it along with a bulky design and 2 touch sensitive GBA SP style screens.


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(udated/finalized designs)


THE UPCOMING NINTENDO  handheld gaming system, thus far labelled DS, (but also codenamed 'Nitro') will sport dual touch-screens, 802.11-style wireless connectivity for up to 16 players and 3D graphics, a document leaked onto a Japanese web site suggests.

The document apparently confirms that the unit will be powered by a pair of ARM7 and ARM9 processors, with the ARM 7 running at 33MHz and the ARM 9 running at 67MHz. The device will sport 4MB of system RAM, and 32K of RAM for the ARMs 7 and 9, as well as 656K of VRAM.

According to the document, the twin screens will be higher resolution the Game Boy Advance, boasting 256x192 pixels. It also suggests a 3D screen capability pumping out 120,000 polygons per second.

Nintendo has not yet responded to the reported leak nor confirmed the details are genuine.


(I was unable to find more details...)


RE: PSP or DS? by Joe on 07-28-2004 at 11:59 PM

Gotta be the PSP

never really did like Gameboys:S


RE: PSP or DS? by toddy on 07-29-2004 at 12:02 AM

yeh the PSP will be alot better, it will most likely have alot better games. since Nintendo never have any really good games. so i don't the DS will have any good games


RE: PSP or DS? by .blade// on 07-29-2004 at 12:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by atownjoe
Gotta be the PSP

never really did like Gameboys:S


well it's not [b]actually[b] a gameboy....it's just the "Nintendo DS" which is a strange jump from gameboy.
RE: PSP or DS? by sasquatch on 07-29-2004 at 02:24 AM

PSP all the way, better procesor, better games, can play mp3's, can burn onto a 1.8 GB disk, owns DS by tons, only thing i'm concerned bout is cost :S


RE: PSP or DS? by Garndell on 07-29-2004 at 02:39 AM

The Processor difference doesn't equate to much as the ARM 7 & 9 Processors are better than their clock speed show.  PSP still gets my vote.  Can't stand Ninty anymore.


RE: PSP or DS? by Twan on 07-29-2004 at 04:53 AM

i just love nintendo games..  so IF i will buy 1 it will be the DS :)  but maybe i won't because a gamecube is allready enough for me..

i will see:S


RE: PSP or DS? by Eljay on 07-29-2004 at 01:20 PM

there is also a few more images including this one but i think the power is a bit too close to the d-pad
c what u think
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RE: PSP or DS? by Pyroteq on 07-29-2004 at 01:35 PM

PSP...better games


RE: PSP or DS? by Maniac on 07-29-2004 at 06:48 PM

Better games? Lol...

Anyways I must start with a rant, sorry, but Blade's post itelf is a litte (a LOT) biased, jsut check out how much info he gave on the PSP and how much he did on the DS ;)

For the power button being too clsoe to the d-pad... lol to that too... like if you take off your finger from it and "Accidently" move it up and "accidently" press it.... it's far enough, might be a problem true, but hopefully not

and just to continue:

quote:
yeh the PSP will be alot better, it will most likely have alot better games. since Nintendo never have any really good games. so i don't the DS will have any good games

PSP will probably have more games? Nintendo never had any good games?

Sorry but but those statement are completly baseless. the psp has an equal ammount of guetting a lot of games and no games, actually it has less chances of guetting a lot of games because developers have been developing for nintendo's portable systems since the original GameBoy (yeah that big fat grey thing you played as a kid) the PSP is a completly new thing so developers coudl be skeptical. Also, the DS provides both the dual screen and touch pad, now if you just think of all the possibilities that can create for a game... it's something that attracts developers. You can now have an RTS, use the stylus as a mouse, you can have a card based game and literarly move the cards around, you can  have an FPS game and shoot using the stylus (metroid prime). So there's my responce to "PSP will have more games" maybe it will, but the only advantage the PSP brings is POWER..... however developers tend to lean more to creative, entertaining and fun games rather then waste their time making it look good if it isn't fun.

Now to the next point "nintendo never made good games" ... funny how nintendo's franchises run off the shelves everytime they are released. Sure you're gonan say they are all old, we've had mario since 1986 or something and I completly agree with you, nintendo is sucking up all it can from mario, samus, link etc.... but hey, just look at the e3, what was everyone talking about.... yes Doom3 Halo2 and Zelda ;) My point being is Nintendo doesn't make a hole lot of games and when it does they are all sequels or of the same franchise from other games.... but they sell, they sell like pancakes! And now to the gba... nintendo never had any good games on gba? well explain to my why is it that the gba sells a tons more then any other console out there, and yes even the ps2, by far.... why is the gba so popular? why do you see a person with a gba everytime you open your eyes? Because nintendo doesn't have any good games? .... I don't think so

Damn i wrote a lot.... anyways as you can see i'm leaning towards the DS, for all the reasons up there but also for the backward compatibility, i had to give off my gba a while ago and missed out on a lot of games, so with the ds i'll be able to get everythign i missed and play them. Also, right now there's no game that interests me in the PSP, at first i thought Metal Gear Acid would rock, but it turned out to somehow be card-based ..... yeah so i'll wait, maybe after a price cut and some big games i'll pick it up
RE: PSP or DS? by dotNorma on 07-29-2004 at 08:43 PM

You didnt think you could post a thread like this without a visit from NoName did you?

I am looking foward to the DS. I like the type of games that nintendo puts out like Metroid and Zelda that take alot of thought and stuff. As for the PSP I really think it will include the same games that the PS2 has which are all shooters and racing really. I dont want to shoot peoples eyes out or steal cars or pick up hoes. So I will stick with the Gamecube :-)


RE: PSP or DS? by .blade// on 07-29-2004 at 08:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ningc_Maniac
Better games? Lol...

Anyways I must start with a rant, sorry, but Blade's post itelf is a litte (a LOT) biased, jsut check out how much info he gave on the PSP and how much he did on the DS ;)

For the power button being too clsoe to the d-pad... lol to that too... like if you take off your finger from it and "Accidently" move it up and "accidently" press it.... it's far enough, might be a problem true, but hopefully not

and just to continue:



PSP will probably have more games? Nintendo never had any good games?

Sorry but but those statement are completly baseless. the psp has an equal ammount of guetting a lot of games and no games, actually it has less chances of guetting a lot of games because developers have been developing for nintendo's portable systems since the original GameBoy (yeah that big fat grey thing you played as a kid) the PSP is a completly new thing so developers coudl be skeptical. Also, the DS provides both the dual screen and touch pad, now if you just think of all the possibilities that can create for a game... it's something that attracts developers. You can now have an RTS, use the stylus as a mouse, you can have a card based game and literarly move the cards around, you can  have an FPS game and shoot using the stylus (metroid prime). So there's my responce to "PSP will have more games" maybe it will, but the only advantage the PSP brings is POWER..... however developers tend to lean more to creative, entertaining and fun games rather then waste their time making it look good if it isn't fun.

Now to the next point "nintendo never made good games" ... funny how nintendo's franchises run off the shelves everytime they are released. Sure you're gonan say they are all old, we've had mario since 1986 or something and I completly agree with you, nintendo is sucking up all it can from mario, samus, link etc.... but hey, just look at the e3, what was everyone talking about.... yes Doom3 Halo2 and Zelda ;) My point being is Nintendo doesn't make a hole lot of games and when it does they are all sequels or of the same franchise from other games.... but they sell, they sell like pancakes! And now to the gba... nintendo never had any good games on gba? well explain to my why is it that the gba sells a tons more then any other console out there, and yes even the ps2, by far.... why is the gba so popular? why do you see a person with a gba everytime you open your eyes? Because nintendo doesn't have any good games? .... I don't think so

Damn i wrote a lot.... anyways as you can see i'm leaning towards the DS, for all the reasons up there but also for the backward compatibility, i had to give off my gba a while ago and missed out on a lot of games, so with the ds i'll be able to get everythign i missed and play them. Also, right now there's no game that interests me in the PSP, at first i thought Metal Gear Acid would rock, but it turned out to somehow be card-based ..... yeah so i'll wait, maybe after a price cut and some big games i'll pick it up



Find some more DS spec.s and I will post them, the DS spec.s are fairly closely guarded 8-)
RE: PSP or DS? by Maniac on 07-29-2004 at 10:55 PM

Lol, there were some I saw but then again it wasn't sure if they were true or not and most of the stuff was confirmed but i'm too lazy to look for it :p

Anyways, you didn't include the Wi-Fi part.... you can play up to 11 (or was it 16) players if they arent too far and all over the world but not too much info has been given on how exactly it'll happen

Also, I'm not too sure BOTH screens are touch pads, so far all the games have been using the bottom one only, which makes more sense, but i'm hoping the top one would be to, in case it acts like a map you could just click on a location or if it was a menu u could use it as a cursor etc...


(btw, now that I look back at my post... wasn't that long, but considering this isn't a video game forum.... :p)


RE: PSP or DS? by .blade// on 07-29-2004 at 10:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ningc_Maniac
Lol, there were some I saw but then again it wasn't sure if they were true or not and most of the stuff was confirmed but i'm too lazy to look for it :p

Anyways, you didn't include the Wi-Fi part.... you can play up to 11 (or was it 16) players if they arent too far and all over the world but not too much info has been given on how exactly it'll happen

Also, I'm not too sure BOTH screens are touch pads, so far all the games have been using the bottom one only, which makes more sense, but i'm hoping the top one would be to, in case it acts like a map you could just click on a location or if it was a menu u could use it as a cursor etc...


(btw, now that I look back at my post... wasn't that long, but considering this isn't a video game forum.... :p)

^o)
quote:
Originally posted by blade
will sport dual touch-screens, 802.11-style wireless connectivity for up to 16 players

I posted about that....
RE: PSP or DS? by Maniac on 07-29-2004 at 11:06 PM

wops.... hahahah i kinda skipped that...

*digs out a cave and hides*


RE: PSP or DS? by PenguinBoy on 07-31-2004 at 02:43 PM

how will psp videos go, will we have to buy movies on umd, and music on umd, i'm guessing we be able to copy music from our pcs on to the memorry of the console. but films, they would take ages to download so i guess we'll have to buy our fims twice, once on dvd and again on umd, we will probably have to pay the same amount for the movie scaled down  100 times from it's wide screen origin.

edit: psp games will be $49.99
edit: and does anyone have any idea of a release date?


RE: PSP or DS? by .blade// on 07-31-2004 at 07:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PenguinBoy
how will psp videos go, will we have to buy movies on umd, and music on umd, i'm guessing we be able to copy music from our pcs on to the memorry of the console. but films, they would take ages to download so i guess we'll have to buy our fims twice, once on dvd and again on umd, we will probably have to pay the same amount for the movie scaled down  100 times from it's wide screen origin.

edit: psp games will be $49.99
edit: and does anyone have any idea of a release date?



No, according to the latest updates you will HAVE to buy the music/movies on UMD o.O

I talked to E.B. and according to them, it will be released in early March, 2005 and will cost aprox. $450 Canadian.
RE: PSP or DS? by user27089 on 08-02-2004 at 09:43 PM

the PSP looks rubbish, but as lee sed, the power button is a bit close, i prefer the original swithces ;).. psp, all the way


RE: PSP or DS? by Guido on 08-02-2004 at 10:59 PM

None of these designs are the final, confirmed ones, are they?


RE: PSP or DS? by dotNorma on 08-03-2004 at 12:22 AM

I think the PSP design is supposed to be the final one but im not very sure about the Dual Screen.


RE: PSP or DS? by Pyroteq on 08-03-2004 at 01:09 AM

I probly wont be able to buy either seeing as i am poor and i need a new computer very very soon thats going to be expensive and i will have no major purchases for the next million years till my parents decide i can buy stuff again..my bank account has 20 bucks in it atm and i need a new fone too lol ok im just going on with crap point is i probly wont be able to buy one but i definatly like the PSP more but the DS also does look good except that dam power switch would piss me off unless there was a lock on it or somthing...and i had a few issues with my old gameboys freezing occasionaly (Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Advance)


RE: RE: PSP or DS? by .blade// on 08-03-2004 at 02:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Guido
None of these designs are the final, confirmed ones, are they?


Yes, those are the final designs.
RE: PSP or DS? by user27089 on 08-03-2004 at 11:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blade
Yes, those are the final designs.


if thats the case :banana: Gameboy
RE: PSP or DS? by MessEnGer on 08-03-2004 at 11:08 AM

First a PS2 now a Psp and then Ps3

God

When is Christmas coming ;)


RE: PSP or DS? by Maniac on 08-03-2004 at 02:03 PM

The ones confirmed so far:

http://www.ningc.com/news.php?article=5743