Hello!

I've messed around a bit with the messenger plus! tags, and I noticed that when you are behind a router, it will only recognize your internal IP (for example 192.168.1.100).

Anyways, when someone is on MSN Mesenger 6.x  (or well actually it will send it to all clients but only MSN Messenger 6.x recognizes it) the server will send you your IP in the initial MSG comming from the server when you sign in. This way Messenger still has your external IP for whenever the client needs it.

I can imagine this IP is being stored somewhere, or that it is possible for Plus to "intercept" it. Maybe an idea for Plus to put this IP in the message for (!IP) as well (when the IP of course is different from the internal IP -- Otherwise you will see the same IP twice ).

The IP is send like this when signing in:

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MSG Hotmail Hotmail 461
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/x-msmsgsprofile; charset=UTF-8
LoginTime: 1093189403
EmailEnabled: 1
MemberIdHigh: 393216
MemberIdLow: -1966666349
lang_preference: 1033
preferredEmail:
country: NL
PostalCode:
Gender:
Kid: 0
Age:
BDayPre:
Birthday:
Wallet:
Flags: 1027
sid: 507
kv: 5
MSPAuth: <removed>
ClientIP: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
ClientPort: 7441

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There are plugins that add other tags, like (!XIP), and that will show your external IP:

• externalIP 1.01
  
• Network IP Plugin
  
• Another External IP Finder

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from the Messenger Plus! changelog
The (!IP) tag now does what is should have have done: it returns the one, real, internet IP of your computer. This is achieved by getting a special page on the msgplus.net network that returns the IP of the requester. The old behavior or (!IP) is now available through a new (!IPN) tag (IP Network) and can still be useful in corporate and lan-party environments.

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There are better ways of getting your external ip than intercepting if from messenger. You can go to pages like www.whatismyip.com and you'll see it. In fact that is exctly what some plugins do. As long as I know, there are at least 3 plugins that add the (!XIP) tag (or similar) and it shows your external Ip address. If you search external ip, you'll find them quickly.

On the other hand, Plus won't implement that because to do it, it'd have to make an external connection and Patchou doesn't like that. (me neither).


edit: ckie...

:/ What is it with "Protocol tampering" with this forum. It is not tampering with the protocol. It is simply intercepting a message. Editing headers in messages, OK, I can understand that, but this is hardly "tampering".

And could you please react a bit less flamy? I am merely giving an idea, or do you not appreciate users who think about some ideas and stuff? I dont know about you, but I always welcome ideas.

Now fine, there might be some "plugins" for it, but when I see "(!IP)" I would have though it could include my external IP, without having to install a plugin. And I am not suggesting you create an external connection, it simply uses a header the messenger server actually sends to you!

I didn't say that it is tempering with the protocol, I said "Plus! wont use the protocol or temper with it"

Because, the protocol changes regulary, and for compatibily issues this isn't a reliable way. Furthermore, if the protocol is being used all sort of problems will be added. Plus! is not based upon the msn protocol and that is the way it is programmed. When Patchou starts using the protocol, then a whole new chapter of compatibily issues, bugs, etc.. etc.. is openend. That Plus! doesn't use/need the protocol to function is a strong point. It uses the API...

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Originally posted by siebe
And could you please react a bit less flamy?

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Well obviously Messenger stores it somewhere in memory, doesnt it? That way you wont need the protocol.

Besides, all current versions of the protocol (MSNP8, 9, 10 and the still-in-production-11) are using this header. I dont think it will *ever* go away. There is no other way for Messenger to grab the external IP for you without this (except making outside connections which is pretty .. dumb).

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
Hey, will everyone stop whining about this?
Siebe is a fucking msn protocol pro, he's the best when it comes to the protocol, just like I am for the plugins community.
Siebe has a point here, and it's a smart point too!
If this cannot be done, let Patchou tell him

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
Stop acting like you guys know all about programming, because you don't!

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
now please stop this behaviour, especially you cookie, you feel like a pro, but you're not. you know a lot, but you're not a programmer and you're merely able to suggest stuff...

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
Siebe has a good point here, and I am definately going to work on it with StuffPlug-NG

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
Yes, it was, Siebe tried to make a suggestion and share his knowledge, and all you do is repeating how crappy it is, and how not patchou is ever going to do that.

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
You tend to do that with all MSNFanatic people, and I don't like that.

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Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
I might not have given a shit in the past, but Siebe is a friend, and if you touch my friends, you touch me.

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Wow... calm down everyone. For the IP thing, don't worry about it, I already panned to change it in version 3.10. I won't search the memory for it, I'll simply make an external request to msgplus.net to find out the real external IP as seen by people outside your computer. See? there was no reason to get angry .

Thank u patchou i thought they were going to kill each others at the end lol

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Originally posted by Patchou
I'll simply make an external request to msgplus.net to find out the real external IP as seen by people outside your computer

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Originally posted by Patchou
Wow... calm down everyone. For the IP thing, don't worry about it, I already panned to change it in version 3.10. I won't search the memory for it, I'll simply make an external request to msgplus.net to find out the real external IP as seen by people outside your computer. See? there was no reason to get angry .

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open a web page is a solution.
http://www.showmyip.com/simple/

well Millenium, that'S exactly what I'm doing (except that I only show the IP and the page is on my server). I doubt anyone will complain about the server connection, its only made when you use the tag so, if you don't like it, don't use it . Works perfectly well btw. I moved the old behaviour to a new (!IPN) tag (for IP Network). Showing IPs of your internal network can still be very useful depending on what you want to do.

Someone will moan about it... like they moan about the sponsor being a 'trojan'.

if they moan about it that it was an trojan then there comps where slowing down or reacting strange

Not quite: it's because they didn't read the installer screens, then found something they weren't expecting. Also, some AVs detect a virus-that-isn't in the sponsor.

but how could that be then normally thats not possible if im right

omg! what a stupid discussion... Anyway, I have to say that I agree with all what Cookie said.

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Originally posted by Patchou
I already panned to change it in version 3.10. I won't search the memory for it, I'll simply make an external request to msgplus.net to find out the real external IP as seen by people outside your computer.

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Originally posted by raceprouk
Someone will moan about [the connection]

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Originally posted by Choli
I'm not sure if people would like it when their firewall says: "Messenger is doing a connection to bla bla bla...".

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Originally posted by pr0xy

Like Patchou said, if someone doesn't like it, all they have to do is NOT USE IT.  Very simple solution.

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