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Plug Req. by jameslives on 09-05-2004 at 08:38 PM

Is there a plugin which will encode your messages then automatically decode when the message reaches the contact(so they don't have to have it)?

Thanks
James


RE: Plug Req. by Choli on 09-05-2004 at 08:44 PM

If the contacts don't have that supposed plugin, it'd be impossible to decode the message when it's received, so if that plugin exists (in don't think so), both parties would have to have it.


RE: Plug Req. by Mushroom_Man on 09-05-2004 at 08:56 PM

If it were possible to decode it when it's received without a plugin, then it'd be pretty useless, don't you think?


RE: Plug Req. by jameslives on 09-05-2004 at 09:32 PM

Well is there one which both of you need?


RE: Plug Req. by saurius on 09-06-2004 at 07:12 PM

But you can have an option to activate it when you want.
Something like "Encrypt conversation".

It's an Idea for a plugin... Encrypt messages ...


RE: Plug Req. by Choli on 09-06-2004 at 07:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jameslives
Well is there one which both of you need?
Well, once i made one, but now it doesn't work. Anyway, now I think that messenger sends the messages using a secure protocol (i'm not very sure), so there's no need to have encrypted conversations.

quote:
Originally posted by saurius
But you can have an option to activate it when you want.
Something like "Encrypt conversation".
that's a bit more complex for a plugin. Using a /xcommand is easier.
RE: Plug Req. by guesswho on 09-06-2004 at 07:47 PM

I'm intending to make an encryption plugin, however as of yet I cant find a way to parse all the outgoing messages without making a Stuffplug-NG talker, which I dont really want to do as part of a plugin, (eg have a talker to do the encoding and a plugin to do the decoding at the other end.)

So if I find a way to parse all the outgoing messages without using a talker then there is a fairly good chance I'll turn it into an Encryption plugin. Probably implememnting 1024-bit RSA public key encryption to negotiate a 128-bit AES synchonous key that would be used for the rest of the convo.

quote:
Originally posted by Choli
Well, once i made one, but now it doesn't work. Anyway, now I think that messenger sends the messages using a secure protocol (i'm not very sure), so there's no need to have encrypted conversations.
Not true I'm affraid, anyone with a packet sniffer can read your convos.


Edit: Although packet sniffing on the WWW is rather inpractical (if at all possible, I've never researched the idea) But Microsoft can still read all your convos should they have the desire to do so. If they are encrypted then you prevent Microsoft (and anyone else who transfers the data, eg ISP's) from reading them, thus improving your privacy.
RE: Plug Req. by Choli on 09-06-2004 at 07:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by guesswho
So if I find a way to parse all the outgoing messages without using a talker then there is a fairly good chance I'll turn it into an Encryption plugin. Probably implememnting 1024-bit RSA public key encryption to negotiate a 128-bit AES synchonous key that would be used for the rest of the convo.
If you acomplish to do that, implement the Rinjdael encryption ;)
quote:
Originally posted by guesswho
Not true I'm affraid, anyone with a packet sniffer can read your convos
oh, well, thanks for the info :P
RE: RE: Plug Req. by guesswho on 09-06-2004 at 07:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Choli
If you acomplish to do that, implement the Rinjdael encryption ;)

AES is an implementation of the Rinjdeal Algorithm with certain variables set to fixed values as far as I know.
RE: Plug Req. by CookieRevised on 09-06-2004 at 08:01 PM

There are (commercial) addons/standalone tools which encrypt messages send by IM-software like MSN Messenger... search with google...


RE: Plug Req. by guesswho on 09-06-2004 at 08:07 PM

I am aware of that fact, SIMP is one, it uses a proxy, and as such, it has to be running all the time, and it takes about 2 seconds to start a convo with someone who doesn't have it, because it automatically tries to enable encryption. There is also Encrpted messenger 3 (available from mess.be) But it adds extra windows and stuff on the side so you can see the messages in their decrypted form, basically I couldn't find a program that I was happy using because of
a) the impracticality of using it to speak to people who dont have it (SIMP) or
b) the crap interface of using it to speak to people who do have it (Encrypted messenger 3, and my contact couldn't get it to work)

But also, a Plus! plugin would be MUCH easier to distribute and set up.


RE: Plug Req. by Ezra on 09-06-2004 at 08:31 PM

I use Simp too and I find it very good, if the other end has Simp it encrypts your messages and else not... No delay or something...


RE: Plug Req. by Choli on 09-06-2004 at 09:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by guesswho
But Microsoft can still read all your convos should they have the desire to do so.
true, but why would microsoft want to do that?
quote:
Originally posted by guesswho
AES is an implementation of the Rinjdeal Algorithm with certain variables set to fixed values as far as I know.
oh, yes... after reading " implememnting 1024-bit RSA public key encryption " i though you weren't gonna implement the standar. I read wrong, sorry.

btw: AES is just the standar, which currently is the Rijdaen algorithm (before it was the DES). The AES doesn't modify it in any way.
RE: Plug Req. by red3vil on 09-07-2004 at 01:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Choli
quote:
Originally posted by guesswho
But Microsoft can still read all your convos should they have the desire to do so.
true, but why would microsoft want to do that.

well it's just that every single piece of software is designed for MS, or by MS. that's suspicious enough for me...
and ain't it a part of the U.S. Gov? (or how it's described)

and don't forget that "TinY" little building that intersepts every byte that go's in or out the US of A. mwah, reason enough to doubt your privacy i guess :-/

RE: Plug Req. by CookieRevised on 09-07-2004 at 01:51 AM

Don't spawn untrue paranoid things like that....


RE: Plug Req. by red3vil on 09-07-2004 at 01:58 AM

ai'n't paranoid, there is a law comming up here that say's the gouvement here has the right to record every singly piece of data we transmit (phone, inet)... sow when i'm paranoid, your all just walking like sheep driven by dogs.

than i rather be paranoid!


//edit
forgot to tell they have the right to save it for one year, well...


RE: Plug Req. by CookieRevised on 09-07-2004 at 02:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by red3vil
ai'n't paranoid, there is a law comming up here that say's the gouvement here has the right to record every singly piece of data we transmit (phone, inet)... sow when i'm paranoid, your all just walking like sheep driven by dogs.

than i rather be paranoid!


//edit
forgot to tell they have the right to save it for one year, well...
There is an extremely huge difference in what you tell now and what you said in your previous post!!!!! and even now, you are not totaly correct...

They have the RIGHT to monitor convo in CERTAIN special cases... eg: when you are a suspect in a criminal case. If you are not, then they have NO RIGHT in doing that!!! They have to respect peoples privacy also if you are not a suspect!!!! Also, nothing is send to that "tiny" building at all, like you seem to suggest.

Oh, and you're dutch... so you might like to know that these laws already exist in Belgium and The Netherlands. So, maybe you want to emigrate to Switzerland or something :p
RE: Plug Req. by red3vil on 09-07-2004 at 02:14 AM

i don't ask you to believe me...
i don't even want you to believe me.
but i do know that what i say is based on common knowledge, and there is a building that has a sfere and it does monitor 24/7.
it probbaly doesn't scan all the data, that's simply impossible, but if you send let say 100+ emails with the txt like a planed attack to the us state, i wish u good luck. but they don't survey you (as you think) so go ahead!

you probbaly think you still vote for president, or chose your gouverment. well think again!

or freedom of speech, don't make me laugh!


RE: Plug Req. by Orkblutt on 09-07-2004 at 02:14 AM

I think the best way to secure your IM is Simplite 2.1.2... (as the original successor of Simp 1.0;))

SIMPLITE

quote:
Authentication and encryption :
SimpLite-MSN authenticates your contacts using RSA keys up to 2048 bits. Encryption is done using the following algorithms: AES (up to 128 bits) or Twofish.


Simplite is free .. but you can buy Simplite PRO

quote:
If your contact is using SimpPro, you can receive or send files to him. Files will be automatically encrypted with the same algorithms than those used to secure your conversations.
Note: Under MSN6, avatars, emoticons, games are considered as file transfers and thus secured by SimpLite-MSN if your contact is using SimpPro.


I'm not sure that it's usefull to make a plugin to do that... simplite is really good (no delay or other bad thing when i'm using it) but if you are thinking you can make a better method with a MsgPlus! plugin.. just do it ... lol  ^o)