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Back in May, 2003 we exclusively revealed MSN Messenger 6.0. This time around it's 6.0's bigger brother, 7.0. MSN Messenger is clearly progressing in this early look at 7.0. You now have the ability to sign in as busy/away/offline etc which will please a lot of people. 3 Degrees is finally encorporated into MSN Messenger (something I had been writing about for more than a year). The interface is cleaner, smarter and the features are great!

Winks: Winks allow you to send kisses, hearts and all sorts of silly cartoons to your contacts.

Nudge: Nudge allows you to send a "shake" to your contact. Both your own and your contacts MSN Messenger window will shake, much like how Internet Explorer windows shake using the correct javascript.

Download packs: Download packs will allow users to grab winks/emoticons/display pictures and backgrounds straight from MSN. As these currently don't work we were unable to test them.

Games: Chess Club, Bankshot Billiards Club are included if you're a Instant Games Clubhouse member. Standard Checkers/Solitaire Showdown/Bejeweled/Minesweeper Flags and Tic Tac Toe are still included.

Activities: Activities allow you to share files, calendars, photos and perform tasks such as remote assistance.

Deluxe Display Pictures: Although these are unavailable it seems like MSN are going to supply animated display pictures.

The build in question is 7.0.0205 and carries the beta tag throughout. The main MSN Messenger window is redesigned to show your display picture and includes the ability to scroll through tabs. There's no new options in the main options menu but you can change the position of the tab icons. When a contact signs in using MSN Messenger 6 or above you get the contacts display picture on the sign in toast. Custom emoticons are still the same, they still do not animate or allow animated GIFs etc. Check out the screenshots below for more features and the general user interface. MSN Messenger 7.0 is expected to be released into beta on November 11 with a general "MSN Messenger Wave 10" release as late as February 2005. We'll keep you updated but for now enjoy the screenshots.

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yes but im asking about Plus! with  Messenger 7. Problems new version new features (talking about the rumored DDPs) ect. Maybe Patchou can fill us in on info

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yes but im asking about Plus! with  Messenger 7. Problems new version new features (talking about the rumored DDPs) ect. Maybe Patchou can fill us in on info

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Well Matty, that's not true (sorry )... I don't install beta versions of minor releases but I'm always veryhappyto test major releases as they generally imply a lot of work  from my part. When I'll have a beta version of Messenger 7, I'll work on the compatibility problems and I'll release a new version before the final public release (if possible) so that you don't experience any problem... anyway, for now, I have nothing .

PS: there won't be any Messenger Plus! 4 for Messenger 7... there's abslotelu no link between the Messenger majorversions and Plus! ones .

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Well Matty, that's not true (sorry )... I don't install beta versions of minor releases but I'm always veryhappyto test major releases as they generally imply a lot of work  from my part. When I'll have a beta version of Messenger 7, I'll work on the compatibility problems and I'll release a new version before the final public release (if possible) so that you don't experience any problem... anyway, for now, I have nothing .

PS: there won't be any Messenger Plus! 4 for Messenger 7... there's abslotelu no link between the Messenger majorversions and Plus! ones .

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Well, I can't be sure that all my changes on beta versions will work on afinal version but still, it's worth the time.. I worked a whole month on Messenger 6 beta to find out how to recode half of the program to make it compatible.... then, I only had to spend two or three extra days after Messenger 6 was publicly released to complete the work... let's hope though that Messenger 7 won't be such a hard task .

wow i just can't wait till the day both programs are running smoothly on my pc

I hope Patchou can get's his hands on this beta a.s.a.p so he don't include features in plus that also will be in 7 cause that will be lost of usefull time... though i don't think micro$oft can make such kick-ass features idea's as patchou...

[off topic] i still hope for a official pause/resume filetransfer support in 7... [/off topic]

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Well Matty, that's not true (sorry )... I don't install beta versions of minor releases but I'm always veryhappyto test major releases as they generally imply a lot of work  from my part. When I'll have a beta version of Messenger 7, I'll work on the compatibility problems and I'll release a new version before the final public release (if possible) so that you don't experience any problem... anyway, for now, I have nothing .

PS: there won't be any Messenger Plus! 4 for Messenger 7... there's abslotelu no link between the Messenger majorversions and Plus! ones .

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I have Messenger 7 Beta (its been virus scanned and it perfectly runs on my system but i understand if u dont trust me)

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plus is not working on m7

How do you know?

Beta's have leaked already...Maby he has it?

yes its leaked

That link dont work for me?

He changed it a bit if you notice...
Im trying to "fix" it right now...

* Mike feels like a bad guy....

Do not post links to the Messenger 7 beta on this forum please . Note that I got it today and that I'm already working on it... let's cross fingers.

Is it going to be that hard like 6...?

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i hope that we hear the news very soon

Good luck with working on it Hope it's not as hard as Messenger 6. Even if it is, remember Plus! was almost dead and even Patchou had little hope, but he did it!

(BTW you can't install Msgr 6 AND 7 simultaneously can you?)

I'm using; very stable, but Messenger Plus! 3.10 doesn't work.

Hope Patchou release a fix soon...

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Patchou will not release a version of Messenger Plus! with capibility with messenger 7 untill the FINAL version of Msn Version 7.0 is released..He has to make sure it WILL work...Currently, I have been told, Patchou has the beta and is working on a version that will work...

..just got the new version. Some new features, the most of them will probably be added in later betas / publics..
hope that it's not too complicated updating Plus but i think it will be some hard work for patchou
For me, i installed both 6.2 and 7. Before i installed v7 i just renamed the "MSN Messenger" folder to "MSN Messenger 6.2" and the new version got installed in a new folder. I can run both versions without probs...

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Don't even start me on this... . I'll do my bestto provide "some" compatibility in the next release (3.21), however, I don't promise anything, some things are going to be pretty difficult to keep (and while I'm at it, here is the first sad fact: forget about the "hide banner" option in Messenger 7).

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the oversized picture will not work with this version i think coz one of my contacts has an oversized dp but me i see it in small

Just one quick question: is the games menu working with the beta so i can play with others that still have 6.2 ? Or are the games / activities menues not working on the beta ?

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anyone who wants a ad remover patch pm me with your email.

the patch was on neowin in the "MSN Messenger 7.0 Beta leaked!" topic, in this post http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2...25&#entry584664515

Patchou : Good Luck with working on compatibility issues between Messenger Plus! and MSN Messenger 7.

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You can quite easily make your own custom patches by editing the UIFILE's in msnmsgr.exe.  Just open up msnmsgr.exe in a resource editer like Resource Hacker.  The UIFILE for the contact list is at the bottom of resource 923.. you can customize or remove stuff

Dan

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(and while I'm at it, here is the first sad fact: forget about the "hide banner" option in Messenger 7).

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I didn't knowtherewas a UI file for the contact list of Messenger 7, I just assumed everythign was hardcoded .Anyway, let's not talk too much about all this, I've not even really started to work on this, modifications inthe sponor agreement are the toppriority for me right now.

why u cant rewmove banner - http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3e264dace...60&#entry584665965 check this

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I didn't knowtherewas a UI file for the contact list of Messenger 7, I just assumed everythign was hardcoded .Anyway, let's not talk too much about all this, I've not even really started to work on this, modifications inthe sponor agreement are the toppriority for me right now.

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well goodluck with coding patchou! i guess there's a lot of work to do!

Polygamy doesn't work I get an error message when trying to sign in on a second account.

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Polygamy doesn't work I get an error message when trying to sign in on a second account.

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Don't even start me on this... . I'll do my bestto provide "some" compatibility in the next release (3.21), however, I don't promise anything, some things are going to be pretty difficult to keep (and while I'm at it, here is the first sad fact: forget about the "hide banner" option in Messenger 7).

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why u cant rewmove banner - http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3e264dace...60&#entry584665965 check this

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Another thing can this Messenger 7 be installed over Messenger 6.2 the after trying it out reinstall 6.2 over it?

This thread is about Messenger 7 AND Messenger Plus!. Everything about Messenger 7 only should go to:
MSN Messenger 7.0.0250 BETA

Please, keep it on topic in both threads!

also read "MSN Messenger 7 beta and Messenger Plus!" first...

[size=3]Patchou, in 7,  the ad banner has  already been removed!
See: http://www.mess.be/msnmessenger7.htm
There's a patch and a "Tabs remover" that cleans up 7 entirely. It takes out the homoerotic MSN TODAY and EBAY tabs that plaugues the left side of the MSN main window too.
Keep up the good work , Messenger Plus is really good and I look forward to the plus! for 7 PEACE, J.

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Another thing can this Messenger 7 be installed over Messenger 6.2 the after trying it out reinstall 6.2 over it?

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Well, it seems to me that this time, it will be pretty difficult to remove the banner without using a memory patch (a crack), and I wouldn't do this as it is clearly illegal. I'll check it out anyway, dont worry.

Any guess on how long it might take before an update?

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Patchou is it actually illegal still when your only modifying it in memory?  I thought it was only if you modified the actual exe file on the harddrive..?


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Can you remove the search thing in the new messenger too its kinda annoying LOL?

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It would be possible to remove the Search box if Patchou does decided he will modify the UIFILE (which it doesnt look like so I dunno )  but there are patches that can remove it for you all around

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From the IRC #MsgPlus channel (30 minutes ago)

<Patchou> hey everyone
<Patchou> who's interested in some Messenger 7 compatibility news?
<Patchou> ok... well, I'm happy to say that after 3 nights, a lot of pepsi and some sushi, Plus! is already 2/3 compatible with Messenger 7
<Patchou> the big work I'll have to do now is support the new contact list interface to find a way to add the Plus! icon, support customer names, etc...
<Patchou> ... and you can tell people that it's nice if they want to test but I already have my tester list :)
<Patchou> anyway, with some luck, I'll release a version entirely compatible by the end of the month, maybe before depending on how it goes
<Patchou> see ya all later
<Time> this is compatible with which build in specific?
<Patchou> with all builds.. Plus! is not a crack ;)
<Patchou> it takes more than a buildchange to break it
<Time> haha, nice
* Patchou (~tidus@MsgPlus-F830AB4C.sympatico.ca) Quit

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that's grrrrrrrreat NEWS

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Personally i wouldnt use MSN Messenger7 atm till the Flaw thats been reported is fixed unless ya want a hacker gaining control of ya system

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Personally i wouldnt use MSN Messenger7 atm till the Flaw thats been reported is fixed unless ya want a hacker gaining control of ya system

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You see, that's why alpha versions should never be released... Microsoft didn't even wanted to distribute this pre-beta version, now people have installed it and are complaining because of all the bugs. You know, if this version was perfect, the release date wouldn't be set to February 2005 .

As for Plus!, I confirm that things are going well for the Messenger 7 compatibility update, the big stress part is now behind me, I can now start concentrating on changing everything related tothe contact list (the way the contact list was accessed had not changed much since Messenger 4). Don't worry, you'll have a Plus! for Messenger 7 in no time .

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wow that's great news patchou! thx for the update
*crosses fingers that stuffplugNG also will work with 7*

Awesome work, Patchou!!

Wow, that sounds good! I hope Plus! will become Msn 7 compatible soon! Good luck with any further problems (that hopefully won't occur ) and good job so far!

Tim

very good job man
i wish i was a good programmer

ive only programmed a nickname popupper with Visual Basic

cyaaaaaaaaa

gr8! Patchou you own!
that means, that we'll be able to have SPNG on it and by this fact using oversized display pictures?

i read somewhere that oversize DP's is very unlikely as MSN 7 resises them proportionally or summit...i think it was TB that said this..ask him lolz

and MSN 7 with plus will rock...I MISS MY COLORED NICK!

hey patchou can't you release a beta of msgplus
that would be cool


cyaaa

why should he?

He'd just get crap from people saying that it doesn't work ect

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hey patchou can't you release a beta of msgplus
that would be cool

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Patchou - hmm i dont know if Plus! can do this (or how powerful it is to a extent ) but could code be written into Plus! to try to block or avoid the current EXPLOIT in Messenger 7? I dont know much so its just a little suggestion. Users please dont flame me

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why should he?

He'd just get crap from people saying that it doesn't work ect

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Patchou - hmm i dont know if Plus! can do this (or how powerful it is to a extent ) but could code be written into Plus! to try to block or avoid the current EXPLOIT in Messenger 7? I dont know much so its just a little suggestion. Users please dont flame me

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U the man patchou

im always ur loyal tester lol

Amazingly good patchou! i wish i was a tester like you lucky people that would rock, just like patchou does withi his plugins. Good work on it, and great news on the progress

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Originally posted by AndreY
...For me, i installed both 6.2 and 7. Before i installed v7 i just renamed the "MSN Messenger" folder to "MSN Messenger 6.2" and the new version got installed in a new folder. I can run both versions without probs...

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hey Patchou we need ur help plzzz

i've to use PLUS for many thing

As someone who has cracked softwares from time to time I know exactly how demanding and unappreciative the people at the receiving end can be.

I am a long time Plus! use and I signed up just to convey a Big SINCERE Thanks to Patchou! You have been doing excellent work dude and though the users may occasionally get disagreeable/pesky/demanding, remember... it all adds to your karma!

Thanks again to the splendid Patchou!

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hey Patchou we need ur help plzzz

i've to use PLUS for many thing

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Is there gonna be any new features in the next update or will it only be msn messenger 7 compatibility??

Cool Patchou. Good luck.

Another question is: Will all plguins with msgplus work with Msn Messenger 7.0 also once Msg-Plus works with msn messenger 7.0? I think yes since the plugins are for Msgplus and not msn messenger 7.0 (like a hack or something).

Let me know the real answer buddy.

Good luck Bro.

-Xero_cool

Good Luck with the capibility issue Pathou...Wish you best of luck!

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Is there gonna be any new features in the next update or will it only be msn messenger 7 compatibility??

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im always ur loyal tester lol

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Well I now have a reason to check my email for the Beta information.

Way to go patch. You show MS there is no stopping you! (Besides total Service Cancellation)

keep up the good work there patchou, dont burn yourself out too much

as for other features to come with the next version of plus! there should be some bug fixes by what ive been hearing, so theyre always good

can I test the  "new"  msg plus

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can I test the  "new"  msg plus

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Bad news guys

http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=24668&category=main

Following on from our security alert this week MSN have not only delayed the release of an external beta but they're planning to remove crucial new features temporarily. According to sources close to MSN, MSN Messenger 7 beta will ship without 'winks' and deluxe display pictures. Currently it's easy for hackers to exploit the code of winks to display any flash movies on a users computer for any amount of time.

MSN took the decision following the public announcements of the exploits. We're unsure whether 'winks' are going to be axed from MSN Messenger 7 or whether MSN are merely revamping them to be included in later betas.

In other news, The Messenger team will be implementing a CVR update that will force all existing MSN Messenger V7.0 users to downgrade to V6.2. This CVR is scheduled to start on 6 Oct 2004. Anyone running MSN Messenger V7.0 build 0205 will need to downgrade. If you do not downgrade, you will be unable to sign into the Messenger service. We're unsure whether this will effect other builds.

no, patchou only chooses loyal testers, who he knows and trusts. who will not leak the beta or release resources ect

The people who he trusts and sends the beta's to are usually the older users, close friends, highly respected members (Theblasphemer, cookierevised ect) who make posts to help people solving issues with msgpluis ect

The update just removed my 7.0 beta. Assuming this is removing all builds of 7.0 will this hinder patchou's work on a compatible plus or will patchou still be able to have one ready for the public beta launch?
I know very little on the subject so please don't flame.

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The update just removed my 7.0 beta. Assuming this is removing all builds of 7.0 will this hinder patchou's work on a compatible plus or will patchou still be able to have one ready for the public beta launch?
I know very little on the subject so please don't flame.

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Bha.. don't worry, Microsoft made me an official MSN MVP recently, I'll get all the betas I want . And that's goodnews, I was spendingtoo much time in Messenger 7 code these days and I was forgetting about the release of version 3.21 .

Patch

I think I'm a bit confused by all of that... you ARE still making Plus! compatability for MSNM 7, aren't you?

w00t mess.be has a patch http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=226982

on with the coding

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w00t mess.be has a patch http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=226982

on with the coding

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heyyy i wanna start msg plus in messenger 7 plz

Firstly, don't double post (making 2 posts in a row). Use the edit-button to edit your previous post if you wanna add something...

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heyyy i wanna start msg plus in messenger 7 plz

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cant use msn 7.0 anymore need to downgrade to msn 6.2

may b it works if i set my system time back

Silly Their is a Patch Maded

So, we can still use it!

So Patchou will you still continue working on the PLUS for MSN 7? even though we're all "supposed" to downgrade to 6.2, but thats what patches are for

As Patchou said, since his possession of a MSN Messenger 7 beta is legal, I think he can still sign in and work on the compatibility between Plus! and MsnMsgr 7

yay well thats good news to hear cos then i can get 7 back and not have to sign out whenever i walk away from the computer! yay for Patchou

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So Patchou will you still continue working on the PLUS for MSN 7? even though we're all "supposed" to downgrade to 6.2, but thats what patches are for

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As Patchou said, since his possession of a MSN Messenger 7 beta is legal, I think he can still sign in and work on the compatibility between Plus! and MsnMsgr 7

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ahh

oh well im sure something will be sorted soon

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Hm from breifly looking at the changes it doesnt look too good for stuff todo with the contact list.. its all wrapped into a DirectUIHwnd

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Not exactly...I think Microsoft will do certain censoring in future beta versions.

what is the official relaese date of msgplus for msn messenger 7.0 beta ?

Feb. 2005 I believe...for Msn Messenger 7.0...This weekend maby for msgplus to be somewhat compatible for msn 7

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Feb. 2005 I believe...

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Oh my bad...Extremly sorry, Patchou has said that it should be due out this weekend with some capibility with Msn 7...

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Oh my bad...Extremly sorry, Patchou has said that it should be due out this weekend with some capibility with Msn 7...

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its this weekend now hehe

Yeh I've had a couple of problems with custom names since I used 7 for a while and then went back to 6.2

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