Cancer Fighting and other useful Research Tool

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Originally posted on demonoid.com

This was my quote for a long time (I lost 4 loved ones to cancer so I had been doing this [grid.org] for a while):
Did you know one in four of us will at some time suffer from cancer? The high mortality rate, the suffering experienced by patients from the side effects of existing treatments, and the high costs of treatment all contribute to making cancer a priority for drug research. Please help us Beat Cancer!

The only time I run this kind of program is when I am not using the computer IE: when at work, out with friends, sleeping, in jail, when I am seeding, ECT....

This program only takes the CPU cycles that aren't being used (idle cycles). It doesn't slow down the computer. It releases the cycles it is using when another program needs them. It doesn't create a bottleneck. I use it on my 2 comps 1-2800xp, 1 gig ram and 2-celeron 700 with 128Mb ram. Granted it runs faster on the AMD, but the Celeron gets more points because of it being a slower machine. I have it running as a system service, and they (the wife and kids) never know it is working. Theirs is the celery comp. and it only uses the internet when it is sending the work packet info at the beginning and end of a work packet.I think this is really great that we (Team Demonoid) are doing this cuz I look at it this way. most of the people out there as well as but not limited to Game servers, File hosts, Message boards, FTP's, P2P leave the computers on for days at a time, and if you are going to have it on for days at a time why don't use help out mankind as well?

Install Notes can be found here http://www.grid.org/download/gold/download.htm
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Grid.org is a single destination site for large-scale research projects powered by the United Devices grid computing solution, Grid MP Global. From the Cancer Research Project sponsored by Intel and the University of Oxford to the Anthrax Research Project sponsored by Intel and Microsoft, the Grid MP Global @ grid.org has been put to use for research and analysis projects of groundbreaking scope. With the participation of over 2 million devices worldwide, grid.org projects driven by the Grid MP Global have achieved record levels of speed and success in processing data.

United Devices invites you to download our software — a small program called the UD Agent — and become a Member of the United Devices Community. The UD Agent can recycle your PC's unused resources and use them to perform valuable scientific and medical research without disturbing your usual computer use.

Join grid.org and make a difference. To become a member of grid.org and participate in these important grid computing projects, simply download a free, non-invasive software program that works as a screensaver. It runs when your computer has idle processing time. Your computer never leaves your desk and the project never interrupts your normal PC use

Grid.org lets you make a real difference without donating money or time, with the system that you are using to view this site right now-your home or office PC.

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I Actually Lost my Grandma to cancer its a very sad time and ofcourse i will help out with pleasure


EDIT: i wonder if there is a thingy like the whatpulse sig to say how much uptime we have

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Originally posted by Pipish
I Actually Lost my Grandma to cancer its a very sad time and ofcourse i will help out with pleasure


EDIT: i wonder if there is a thingy like the whatpulse sig to say how much uptime we have

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I'm definitely joining for the fight for cancer...

Ill definatly joining.  I have cancer myself but i was very lucky as they diagnosed it at a very early stage, but I'll do anything I can to support this.

* Sunshine had a prestage of cervical cancer 5 years ago..

Needed two ops (was pretty close to actual cancer)....lucky me they found it tho...i wouldn't be here now if they hadn't

Also i've seen a neigbour of mine die from it beginnin this year..they didn't find it on time with her

Hip hip hooray for research and the summoning women to come for checkup every five years starting at the age of 30


Still i don't see how joining this will help =/

This helps because, the researchers send the information or cell structures to your computer, your computer then works out (maps the cell or whatever) See the page links i posted below


Much like the human GEnome Project was like (That was where they found out what every chromosone in each cell was for)

This project was completed in 2003 (i believe) now they have started teh Human Proteome folding project which will tell those scientists people what each protein does

well learn about it here http://www.grid.org/projects/hpf/

the cancer project page is here http://www.grid.org/projects/cancer/

Either way its going to a good cause, if it only cures one person. Its been a sucess.

I have joined It's a good way of using the time that my PC does nothing lol. And it's helping people.

i have joined up too

I am very happy that you have all joined up!

Now if only this thread became a sticky thread....


Just looked at our team stats....there is none...


maybe it has sumat to do with this

http://www.grid.org/help/faq_connecting.htm

i dunno what type of port it is that needs opening

I'm using zonealarm pro 5

Could have something to do with when the stats are updated. I checked to see if mine had been updated since I finshed my first task this morning, but nothing. The stats where last updated at midnigh last night for me. And baring in mind that this thread was only started yesterday......Give it time and see what happens

I registred with the username "Stonos"
However, I can't see my username in the list...


And it takes about 10 minutes to comple one (1) precent (%)]
Is this normal?

My name wasn't in the list, but today it is. I was looking at the FAQs and it said that info gets updated every few hours so thats why things look behind and theres no stats yet. And also if you change any prefs like the maximum storage size etc. in the prog, it wont be updated on your computer until it sends a job back.

It can also take any amount of time working on a certain part of the job. If you switch off your computer in the middle of a part/section, it might appear that it's working on the same % as it had to restart that part/section again.

what list are you talking about?

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Originally posted by Mike2

And it takes about 10 minutes to comple one (1) precent (%)]

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thats probably waht i'm doing then, the 89 hour one,

ATM I'm on the human protone blah blah project and its taken 40 hours to do 60%

Hm, nice suggestion

I'm with it. But actually, the text and the logo should be changed. Hope Guido or someone could make a logo. Like "Messenger Plus! Community against cancer".

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Originally posted by Fukafly
ATM I'm on the human protone blah blah project and its taken 40 hours to do 60%

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aw, this is such a good idea! i love helping like this again! =D I cut my hair to make wigs for people


really good idea

Currently doing Cancer Research Project, Phase II which I think might be 20 hour long tasks

Did start off with the uman protome project but decided to change it just to cancer

p/s note the edit of my above post

I started with Cancer Research Project, Phase II. It's been processing for 15 Hours and it's at 92%. This is gonna only take about a day so this task is ok. I can't wait for it to be transfered to the servers

I know the text 'n' picture should be changed but i didn't know what to write at the time it was sumat like 2AM

i'm willing to change this, does anyone know what ports it uses? UDP TCP or whatever (preferably an easy ot follow guide for zonealarm pro 5)

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Originally posted by Mike2

By the way "My Device" score is 87.
Whats yours?

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Imma gonna join when I get to my other pc (this one aint mine)

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
I'm with it. But actually, the text and the logo should be changed. Hope Guido or someone could make a logo. Like "Messenger Plus! Community against cancer".

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great thanks guido i'll upload that shortly

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Uploaded Now

Total Points: 1144

My overal score is 126
Processor is 155
Memory is 134
Storage is 20
Network is 100

Hm, looks good, Guido

Gotta join the group asap.

Can some Mod please make this thread sticky?

As far as i can see, you've made The Messenger plus whatpulse team a sticky

and IMO this is a bit more helpful and interesting than what pulse

Hmm... that's strange. I'm currently a member of WorldCommunityGrid.org, which also involves pretome folding calculations, thus cancer research. Didn't know there was a grid.org, too! I wonder why the science teams don't just hook up and make ONE huge grid instead of several. Anyway, I'm sticking with World Community Grid, it has a much nicer webpage.

your one is made by the same people its on grid.org's webpage

well in my country two big cancer research teams joined forces to become cancer research UK

anyway it is probably all going to the same people so meh, lightens the load on servers i suppose

even thought this thread is from like last month i joined

downloading the data now..

Good on you Ash, this thread may be a month old. but cancer and diseases will still exist and i think this is a great way to contribute

ill join my mom had cancer and i no like 5 ppl with cancer so i be glad and help

i will join too my neighbour died of cancer and i will be glad to help and join

can somebody explain the freezing of my PC i have a celeron is it supposed to do that

I will join.. well i think it will help for sure and i neer know if it can happen to me i lost a grandmother i never met her because of cancer my mother was 13 when my grandmother died...coz of cancer im gonna kill cancer!

the program makes my PC freeze

I'll join as well. I lost my grandma to cancer when i was 9 and i was really sad. I 'll do anything to help.

Iv just joined!!

I've lost a long time friend to Cancer the beginning of Jan. I didn't find out until 3 weeks after she died.

This is her picture (To the left) She was a great person to live with and also a very high spirited person which made life easier and a heck of alot more fun.

With all that being said now, I have just joined and downloaded the software that was being advertised, and just wanted to say that it's now a great way to donate, especially for those who aren't always home, or always have time to donate money.

I'd love to join such a noble cause so i'm in

I had to sign up with ajdajd lol. Someone already had ajd.

I'm on 40% so far on my first one

I'll join as soon as I get my laptop back, luckily no-one I know has had or has got cancer, but I'm always willing to help in whatever way I can.

I don't personally know anyone with cancer but i am downloading this program to show my support

im in, downloaded registered and running

it kills my celeron.

no1 in my family ever got cancer or anything.. but as a soccer player i know the importance of beiing healty.. joining at the moment!

Father dieing of cancer.

1st diagnosed of bladder cancer, they removed his bladder, and 3 months on we found out it had spread to his bones.

Things are hard, and sure ill give my support.

I will also join. My dad just found out he had cancer so i will support this also

I'll support. But I still don't understand how it helps research?

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Originally posted by chris4
I'll support. But I still don't understand how it helps research?

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No one knows what cancer is untill one has a first hand experience.. No one is immune to it and no one will survive it without a scar.. There are no medicines for cancer.. the only known way is to amputate the organ, which is not possible in many cases.. I have seen sufferings of newborns to old.. its terrible..imagine your live body decaying....

I was away from plus due to this unknown slilent invader.. I lost my mom...I was with her throughout.....................but..

I lost my grandad to lung cancer.. 10 years after he quit smoking, ironic isnt it? Im gonna join up

I wanna join... I wanna help fight cancer too because it kills numerous people every year.

i hope its not a virus or anything. i sighned up but you no with the teams if you make a team and people sighn up what happens does the team get a prize if they get the most members or somthing or is it just get as many members to help cancer research?

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Originally posted by joelm
i hope its not a virus or anything.

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Originally posted by joelm
i sighned up but you no with the teams if you make a team and people sighn up what happens does the team get a prize if they get the most members or somthing or is it just get as many members to help cancer research?

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i want to join but im a litle wary, i want to join as lost my nan to cnacer, my mum could have it in the near future and a girl i really like also could have it unless she has an operation.
how does it work, like what info does it receive? and just in eneral what have i got to do and what will it do?

As said, read the first post in this thread and follow the links. Also follow the links given in my previous post. Everything is explained there, explaining it here would mean simply copying what is stated on those pages...

Again, it is not harmfull in any way.

i sighned up

[color=blue]great fight and yeah i;ll help
i have breast cancer so i know all about the stuff you have to go through

I was actually thinking about joining something like this months ago. For some reason, I just only now spotted this thread, so I joined the team. little late but hey, it's never too late to be helpful.

I'm running the BOINC program, but I don't think they support that

Too bad, I don't want two programs doing this kinda thing. One is enough.

If anyone knows if I can combine this with BOINC tell me so I can join

Can I be the token sceptic here? (Yes, I do realise im about to be hated by the whole Messenger Plus! community...)



First of all, I have no objections to this project, and I do commend all of you who have shown a heart of gold and have been generous enough to provide a service that is likely to better mankind in one way or another. If there were more people like yourselves, the world would be a better place.


But I do have my (personal) reservations. Athough projects like these are intended for saving lives, the amount of money pumped into them can be so great compared to the relative benefits. There are more important ways (in my view) that can save more lives, and cheaper in both the short- and long-term.

Although cancer is a big killer, and its prevalence makes it a factor in many families, it is actually curable in most cases. Even breast cancer, a scourge amongst young and middle-aged females, can be simply teated with good prognostic indicators.

Its all about finding it quickly enough.

If the money that is used in this project was instead used in public heath and educational projects, the number of lives saved would be, frankly, phenomenal. And you wouldnt be saving this generation, but that generation's children and so forth.


Theres a couple of ethical issues about these projects too. Firstly, the idea of treating cancer rather than preventing it promotes a lifestyle/culture that doesnt consider the consequences of its actions. I almost sends out a signal that we should do/dont do X/Y/Z and put ourselves at risk, and have it all treated afterwards. I must emphasise here, thinking about that statement more, that I am most certainly not saying that those that have died of cancer are at fault in any way, but if there was more insight into cancer, people would (for example) see the warning signs earlier, or reduce their risks of getting the cancer in the first place.

Although I appreciate that the project will help to understand the mechanics of cancer better (and so help in cancer prevention), this is not where the money is, and so it would be unprofitible for the institutions to follow that route too far.

Another problem is that these projects do indirectly, and invariably, divert resourses away from arguably more beneficial projects. The political impact that can be gained by having thousands of members of the public can be quite great: noone would dare stop a project that has great public support, regardless of viability.

Also, the main beneficiaries of this type of project will be the pharmaceutical companies. The profits that anti-cancer drugs would make would be huge. I dont have anything against the pharmaceutical industry per se, but our finances are ultimately going into a private business rather than within the heath care institutions.

Another point argues by some at present is the idea of preventing cell mutations in the body. Mutations are what drives evolution, and what makes you and me different. The idea of being able to control this ourselves worry some, as it would be another indicator for preventing further variety in humans, and also a continuation of the "designer baby" field of thought.


Anyway, im not trying to flame what is a well-meaning project. Its just I wish we could prioritise our efforts more. I just feel we could save more lives in other ways.


As I say, this is likely to be a minority view, and ill wait for the associated criticism. Bear in mind that this is not an opinion that represents the medical establishment, just very much a personal view, which is also not out to tell anyone that they are "right or wrong".

Im just probably bitter because I work in a "non-fashionable" field of medicine (mental health), which causes just as much grief and mortality as cancer does, but doesnt get these revolutionary projects. Similarly I see so many cancer institutions built (with pharmaceutical sponsership), and I have to fight to keep our decaying psychiatric hospital from being closed down.



Hm, sorry about the huge post (read: rant), I didnt realise this was going to happen. Still, I would commend you to join if you have a strong feeling about the project, or about fighting cancer in general.




[Conflict of interest: Stupid man who shouldnt have posted this in the first place]

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
(Yes, I do realise im about to be hated by the whole Messenger Plus! community...)

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
But I do have my (personal) reservations. Athough projects like these are intended for saving lives, the amount of money pumped into them can be so great compared to the relative benefits. There are more important ways (in my view) that can save more lives, and cheaper in both the short- and long-term.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Although cancer is a big killer, and its prevalence makes it a factor in many families, it is actually curable in most cases. Even breast cancer, a scourge amongst young and middle-aged females, can be simply teated with good prognostic indicators.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
If the money that is used in this project was instead used in public heath and educational projects, the number of lives saved would be, frankly, phenomenal.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Theres a couple of ethical issues about these projects too. Firstly, the idea of treating cancer rather than preventing it promotes a lifestyle/culture that doesnt consider the consequences of its actions.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
but if there was more insight into cancer, people would (for example) see the warning signs earlier, or reduce their risks of getting the cancer in the first place.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Although I appreciate that the project will help to understand the mechanics of cancer better (and so help in cancer prevention), this is not where the money is, and so it would be unprofitible for the institutions to follow that route too far.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Another problem is that these projects do indirectly, and invariably, divert resourses away from arguably more beneficial projects.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
The political impact that can be gained by having thousands of members of the public can be quite great: noone would dare stop a project that has great public support, regardless of viability.

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Another point argues by some at present is the idea of preventing cell mutations in the body. Mutations are what drives evolution, and what makes you and me different. The idea of being able to control this ourselves worry some, as it would be another indicator for preventing further variety in humans, and also a continuation of the "designer baby" field of thought.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Anyway, im not trying to flame what is a well-meaning project. Its just I wish we could prioritise our efforts more. I just feel we could save more lives in other ways.

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Im just probably bitter because I work in a "non-fashionable" field of medicine (mental health), which causes just as much grief and mortality as cancer does, but doesnt get these revolutionary projects.

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Similarly I see so many cancer institutions built (with pharmaceutical sponsership), and I have to fight to keep our decaying psychiatric hospital from being closed down.

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Go Cookie

Yeah data results are the worst, my cousin is a neuro scientist and she has to sit there for ever checking and re-checking numbers against a tv monitor. it sucks, with this she could be out researching and doing practical stuff more than wasting her time in the bedroom on her pc punching in 1....2......4......3.....j.....t... etc

CookieRevised, thanks for the reply.

Ill get to a more detailed reply when I recover from my hangover (!)

Just a quick point to say that hospitals in the UK are publicly funded, not privately funded. Income isnt derived from the number of patients you treat, etc.

Oh, and my views havent changed too much from my time working in the NHS before working in psychiatry.


But, as I say, ill get to a more constructive reply soon.

i've never lost anyone to cancer

but i don't want to ever lose one to it, downloaded and runing

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Originally posted by Jaffacake
Just a quick point to say that hospitals in the UK are publicly funded, not privately funded. Income isnt derived from the number of patients you treat, etc.

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yeah thread needs a new haircut (trimmings )

I don't think this project is compatible with BOINC so I just joined WorldCommunityGrid, doesn't research Cancer but Proteome Folding and AIDS.

So now i'm contributing to:

• Rosetta
  
• WorldCommunityGrid
  
• Folding@Home
  
• Predictor

i'm sad to hear that fuka, all the best.

Yay my cousin got her doctorship Wonder if any of her research will ever get on the news, her team have already discovered that stressactually eats away at your brain. eg the chemical your brain creates when your stressed out eats your other brain cells etc nice eh

just joined and dl'd and i have joined the team, i had 2 prestage cancerous moles on my back so im up for anything to fight cancer

My Father Suffers from brain cancer

i hope everyones problems sort themselves out one way or the other, it may sound saddistic but i was glad my mother died because she wasn't in as much pain anymore. and didn't have to put up with the struggle of everything and no one had to continue to see her deteriate slowly.

I've been running my World community Grid client for 120 days now - and that's the actual time it's been working. So I thought I'd go ahead and caculate a price on this stuff just for fun...

I'm going to share these numbers in case any of you other folks would be interested in knowing how much these CPU donations actully cost on your electric bill.

Note that the end-result is bound to be very individual based on your CPU's power consumption, the number of hours a day your PC is running and the price of electricity in your area.

My scenario:
Computer using a Pentium 4 HT-enabled 3,0 GHz processor
$0.294 USD per kWh with our power company
Computer usually runs about 8 hours a day.
Using a power consumption meter I've established that my entire PC system eats 188 watts when the CPU is idle and 220 with the CPU at 100% - of course this is always the case when running the grid.

So that's an extra 32 watts for 8 hours a day I'm donating to the grid. About the same amount used by 2-3 televisions on standby.

How much money does this translate to?
32 watts / 1000 = 0,032 kW
$0.294 per kWh * 0,032 kW = $0,00941 per hour
8 hours * $0,00941 per hour = $0,07526 a day

Since my computer runs for about 8 hours a day I'll be paying an extra 7.5 cents on my electric bill every day compared to having my computer on but not running the grid. That's roughly $27.50 a year if I'm not mistaken. An amount I certainly don't mind contributing with every year.


Note that I'm not quite donating this amount to the WCG since my computer's CPU wouldn't always be totally idle even if the WCG wasn't running - especially applies to heavy-duty gamers..

ha interesting, i think electricity must be bloody cheap in whereever you are!

by joining the messenger plus team, does that automatically defer my cpu resources to the cancer project only?, also won't this inevitably involve double processing?

no. basically the program runs in the background and if you are using the computer for other purposes say, surfing the net and messenger, then it will only use a small amount. When the computer is idling, then more resources will be used until you come to use it again

...and joining will do nothing; you actually need to install and run the program. I mean: it is not like if you join the team on that website that all of a sudden your PC is going to do stuff, you actually need to run the program too. Joining the team is just good for the team points which are gathered when you run the program (thus you can join whatever team you like; of course, if you do, we would be forced to come after you and kick your behind )

thanx for replying but im just wondering if joining the messenger plus team does the client only work on the cancer project or all the projects occuring

it depends what you choose to participate in, i thank you for your support and this joint research has lead to some improvments in treating cancer, i read the other day that they can now pin point an exact point to sevre to eliminate pain from (and 'feeding') the cancer (depending on where it is) thanks to joint CPU research

i will do it on mine but mot here (at my dad's)

Hello,

My uncle died of cancer, I have never seen him.

I was like 3 months old when he died.

I really think it is horrible to lose somebody, You never see them when people grow up.

So we can give other people chance to see their family or friends.

I have downloaded and registered with the program.

Thanks,

BraydenP.

Hey guys, just thought you should all know this before you wonder what's up with the program:

http://forum.grid.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=599007

So that's it. It's been fun. Going to join another project now

cool

what can we hop over to now?

#EDit:

Any others let teams in etc?

Well, worldcommunitygrid.org is accepting grid.org members as it uses a program based on/ is the same as the United Devices program from grid.org

Cool I'm seeting up a new team etc on worldcommunitygrid.org

if you are already a world community grid member click this link ->  http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamIn...teamId=Z17QB19CTR1

PLEASE CONTINUE POSTING IN HERE INSTEAD

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=74080

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