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Oh, come on... by lopardo on 01-21-2005 at 03:29 AM
This page is full of crap! I tried to contact the author, but couldn't find any contact information... (I wonder why 
)
quote:
From http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm
POTENTIAL SECURITY AND PRIVACY RISK
Archived conversations and the 'show contact on desktop' options cause contact names and email addresses to be stored in the Windows Registry in readable format under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Patchou for the current user, and HKEY_Users/S-I-5-****/Software/Patchou. If you do NOT want other computer users to know who you are talking to when using Messenger, or which contacts you have displayed on your desktop, do not use Messenger Plus!!
OK, it's true that Plus stores e-mail addresses and only custom names -not "contact names" as stated above- unencrypted in the following registry keys:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Patchou\MsgPlus2\<user>\Archive
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Patchou\MsgPlus2\<user>\Contacts\CtcDetach
I agree that it should be encrypted (as in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Patchou\MsgPlus2\<user>\Contacts), but, how can that be such a high risk? If you're gonna be so paranoid, then stay away from computers... You also shouldn't use MSN Messenger's logging feature, as it doesn't allow you to encrypt them (which I think is more a privacy issue than having unencrypted e-mail addresses in the registry) and it also stores part of the address in the file name... Come on...
quote:
From http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm
IE-SPYADS will add the msgplus.net and msgpluszone.com to your restricted sites zone:
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm#IESPYAD
quote:That program is still a beta and detects Plus even if the sponsor isn't installed (not to mention all the false alarms it gives - one guy renamed a program "a.exe" and MS Anti-spyware detected it as spyware).
From http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm
Microsoft Giant Anti-Spyware detects Messenger Plus as an Adware Bundler (and rightly so)
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=26501&category=main
BTW, there are registry entries for every user in HKEY_USERS, HKEY_CURRENT_USER is a copy of the entry in HKEY_USERS for the current user... A MS MVP should know that, right?
RE: Oh, come on... by Weyzza on 01-21-2005 at 03:34 AM
quote:
From http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm
POTENTIAL SECURITY AND PRIVACY RISK
Archived conversations and the 'show contact on desktop' options cause contact names and email addresses to be stored in the Windows Registry in readable format under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Patchou for the current user, and HKEY_Users/S-I-5-****/Software/Patchou. If you do NOT want other computer users to know who you are talking to when using Messenger, or which contacts you have displayed on your desktop, do not use Messenger Plus!!
That's the same thing like "If you don't want someone knows your high score for Minesweeper, don't let your friends use your computer."
RE: Oh, come on... by MC.POP on 01-21-2005 at 04:30 AM
thats wt happens when people dont know wt they are talking about.
RE: Oh, come on... by Patchou on 01-21-2005 at 06:37 AM
pfff... again, Sandy doing what she does best: writting crap about my software. In the idea, she is partly true (but you do have to use logs or floating windows for emails to be written in your registry, it's not like it's done automatically). It's just that as usual, instead of posting onthis forum or sending me a nice email about that, she just quickly adds a whole paragraph in bold/red on her page.
Oh well, the world is made of all sorts of people I guess. Note to Sandy, if you're reading this: for future reference, HKEY_CURRENT_USER is an alias of HKEY_Users/S-I-5-****/, it's not like I write in two keys, they are just the same keys. Also, I never saw any trace of Gator on this forum, I don't knwo what you are talking about. And last thing, please, before you do that kind of announcement, why don't you email me about it so that we can try to find a sollution together instead of doing what you just did?
RE: Oh, come on... by WDZ on 01-21-2005 at 07:02 AM
In Windows XP (dunno about other versions), you can't access the private registry keys of other users unless you're an admin with sufficient privileges and you specifically load the registry of another user into regedit. HKEY_USERS does not list every user of the PC, only the current user. The keys with short names like S-1-5-18 are special service accounts, not user accounts.
Therefore, it's unlikely that others can/will read your registry keys if your PC is secure. If your PC is not secure, then others can read your files and everything else, so Plus! is the least of your worries.
Also, it's not like Plus! is the only program that stores private data in the registry.
What about HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\TypedURLs? Every URL you've recently typed into Internet Explorer's address bar!
Or HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Player\RecentFileList? Every video file you've watched recently!
So, STFU. 
RE: Oh, come on... by user13774 on 01-21-2005 at 01:55 PM
How can a person like that be a Microsoft MVP
Top right...: http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/Darnit.htm
RE: Oh, come on... by CookieRevised on 01-21-2005 at 02:49 PM
quote:Because she has many friends....
Originally posted by Markus
How can a person like that be a Microsoft MVP
Actually she has provided usefull info to the communities (except for the "Plus!"-part) in the past though.
But also because she has many (MVP) friends who believe her strait away in everything she does/reports because she's MVP -neverending cicrle here- (and also many enemies; she isn't sarcastically called "the queen" for nothing. And whenever new MVP's arrive they automatically have a bad name among certain groups of people because of her and her flok doings in the past. but this forum isn't the place to discuss that and it is an old issue anyways and I tend to look more to the things she has published before all this twisted "Plus!"-stuff.)
So back to objective info, Sandi is an MVP in Internet Explorer and Outlook Express and concentrates on fighting malware these days. MVP profile (photo on site is very old though, more recent photo can be found here)
She has written many good articles about malware (which is almost a must to read by people). But as said, her fight against malware is good, but because of that she overreacts when it comes to "Plus!" and because of her status, many people tend to believe her of course.
RE: Oh, come on... by user13774 on 01-21-2005 at 08:11 PM
Yeah you're right. I checked a few of the articles on her site about software and there is a lot of useful info in it.
Is fighting malware good enough for being a Microsoft MVP?
quote:Again...? Something like this happened before apparently
Originally posted by Patchou
pfff... again, Sandy doing what she does best
Btw... look what I just found on the MS MVP site
It's cookie
RE: Oh, come on... by andrey on 01-21-2005 at 09:18 PM
quote:pssht Markus...I don't think that Cookie wants everyone to know his full name.
Originally posted by Markus
It's cookie
Googleing even reveals his (old?) address and that he is playing/played a well known australian musical instrument
RE: Oh, come on... by user13774 on 01-21-2005 at 10:56 PM
Well.. If Cookie doesn't want his real name posted on the forum i'll remove the link 
Cookie, you got my msn, so just tell me
[off-topic]
* user13774 is google-ing....
What is this supposed to be?
http://members.lycos.nl/cookierevised/crap/pictures/ (check me_geekpower.jpg )
On how many forums are you a member 
I get almost only forums in google...
[/off-topic]
RE: Oh, come on... by Sam Spade on 01-22-2005 at 02:51 PM
quote:You tell me. Her email address appears once on page two of her article, and three times on page three. There is a 'last updated' date top right of both pages, just to show that they haven't been updated recently (the source code of page shows that the date is dynamically generated)
Originally posted by lopardo
This page is full of crap! I tried to contact the author, but couldn't find any contact information... (I wonder why )
quote:Kewl, but where is Patchou?
Originally posted by Markus
Btw... look what I just found on the MS MVP site
It's cookie
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?sci...mvpaward&style=TOC
RE: Oh, come on... by TheBlasphemer on 01-22-2005 at 03:34 PM
DX!
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/mvp/mvpdetai...TYDataSvcParams%5e
RE: Oh, come on... by Stigmata on 01-22-2005 at 03:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sam Spade
Kewl, but where is Patchou?
he has not recieved the award, only nominated...
afaik
RE: RE: Oh, come on... by Sam Spade on 01-22-2005 at 04:01 PM
quote:Still looking for Patchou
Originally posted by TheBlasphemer
DX!
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/mvp/mvpdetai...TYDataSvcParams%5e
![[Image: hidewall.gif]](http://shoutbox.menthix.net/images/smilies/hidewall.gif)
quote:Ahhhhhh, gotcha. That explains a lot. Thanks.
Originally posted by stigmata
he has not recieved the award, only nominated...
RE: Oh, come on... by riahc4 on 01-23-2005 at 12:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Markus
How can a person like that be a Microsoft MVP
Top right...: http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/Darnit.htm
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:Because she has many friends....
Originally posted by Markus
How can a person like that be a Microsoft MVP
Actually she has provided usefull info to the communities (except for the "Plus!"-part) in the past though.
But also because she has many (MVP) friends who believe her strait away in everything she does/reports because she's MVP -neverending cicrle here- (and also many enemies; she isn't sarcastically called "the queen" for nothing. And whenever new MVP's arrive they automatically have a bad name among certain groups of people because of her and her flok doings in the past. but this forum isn't the place to discuss that and it is an old issue anyways and I tend to look more to the things she has published before all this twisted "Plus!"-stuff.)
So back to objective info, Sandi is an MVP in Internet Explorer and Outlook Express and concentrates on fighting malware these days. MVP profile (photo on site is very old though, more recent photo can be found here)
She has written many good articles about malware (which is almost a must to read by people). But as said, her fight against malware is good, but because of that she overreacts when it comes to "Plus!" and because of her status, many people tend to believe her of course.
MVP and many friends.............looks she moves around alot........if you catch my drift...
EDIT: Saw the pic........maybe not lol
RE: Oh, come on... by paperless on 01-23-2005 at 12:38 AM
Bah that is so stupid!! how can she talk about something she doesnt fully know...
if she made a program her stupid company would pay her for it but patchou works in msgplus without receiving nothing and that uses a lot of his time so he uses a sponsor that even is optional!!
what is she talking about.. just stfu come here and ask the things before starting your fake analisys about msgplus.
And as posted before if WMP and other mcirosoft porgrams are unsafe in therms of privacy why the hell you dont talk about them too? HUH?