Situation:

I signed in using two .NET Passports: one in Windows Messenger and other in MSN Messenger. Suppose I talk to a contact using the .NET Passport in Windows Messenger. When I later talk to the same contact using the .NET Passport in MSN Messenger the Plus! Log file for the contact gets renamed to <mycontact>.txt.old and a new <mycontact>.txt is created. I wonder why Plus! is doing this. I was expecting it to append to the existing file?

Software:

MSN Messenger 6.2 / 7.0
Windows Messneger 5.1
Messenger Plus 3.40 latest BETA

Cheers,
McoreD

Because if it would simply append, chaotic/confusing and wrong logs will be created....


You could talk to the same person with both your .NET accounts and both .NET accounts can be different persons. Both of the .NET accounts will have their convo mixed up with the contact if it was "appended".

Furthermore, logs aren't save line per line but after a certain timeinterval.

The above would all contribute to malformed logs if they were appended. In short, there is nothing abnormal about it, in fact it is very logic that it is NOT appended...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Because if it would simply append, chaotic/confusing and wrong logs will be created....

You could talk to the same person with both your .NET accounts and both .NET accounts can be different persons.

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What CookieRevised means that it can be a different person signed in on your computer. This could result in both you and your brothers log files being mixed, for example

Thank you for replying.

But I still don't understand how that can happen. Me and my brother's My Chat Logs folder is not the same folder. My Chat Logs folder is in My Documents and my brother's My Documents will be in Brother's Documents.

Please explain.

Cheers,
McoreD

What if you have a friend come over and he wants to use Messenger for a moment and he signs in on your Windows account, where he talks to someone you have in your list as well? Those log files could get mixed

If you are signed in with two accounts and are talking to the same person on both accounts, and both conversations where saved to the same file, then in that chat log you would have both conversations mixed together.

Thank you. Last two replies were much better explanations. I can understand your point now.

But still I don't see how renaming the nickname@hotmail.com.txt to nickname@hotmail.com.old.txt is a solution. Once the chat log is renamed to nickname@hotmail.com.old.txt, it is not accessed by Plus! anymore. nickname@hotmail.com.txt keeps getting replaced everytime you talk to person from different .NET Passports.

A much better solution in my opinion would be saving the log files as follows:

My Chat Logs\<mynickname@hotmail.com>\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

Currently it is:
My Chat Logs\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

Thanks for understand.

Cheers,
McoreD

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Originally posted by TGG
If you are signed in with two accounts and are talking to the same person on both accounts, and both conversations where saved to the same file, then in that chat log you would have both conversations mixed together.

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An option to make a folder per contact would solve this

Perhaps something like C:\Docum.....\My Documents\Chat logs\(email)

Where (email) would be an idividual .net passports logs

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
I signed in using two .NET Passports: one in Windows Messenger and other in MSN Messenger. Suppose I talk to a contact using the .NET Passport in Windows Messenger. When I later talk to the same contact using the .NET Passport in MSN Messenger the Plus! Log file for the contact gets renamed to <mycontact>.txt.old and a new <mycontact>.txt is created. I wonder why Plus! is doing this. I was expecting it to append to the existing file?

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
A much better solution in my opinion would be saving the log files as follows:

My Chat Logs\<mynickname@hotmail.com>\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

Currently it is:
My Chat Logs\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

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That happens when in one .net passport account you've configured Plus to save chat logs in Unicode format and in the other .net passport account Plus saves the logs in ansi format.

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can't you do that going to preferences > loggin > archiving and selecting "create a diferent directory for each file"?

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Hi Choli, I tested Messenger Plus! with two .NET Passports talking to the same person:

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Originally posted by TGG
If you are signed in with two accounts and are talking to the same person on both accounts, and both conversations where saved to the same file, then in that chat log you would have both conversations mixed together.

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[06:29:25 AM] iiMcoreD: ppl just do alt-tab probably
[06:30:04 AM] iiMcoreD: u agree ?
[06:28:38 AM] BrainyNerd: i need a cabinet
[06:28:46 AM] BrainyNerd: the damn noise of the switch is killing me
[06:29:01 AM] McoreD [MSUN: i have the same problem with the router
[06:29:09 AM] BrainyNerd: noise?
[06:29:16 AM] McoreD [MSUN: a high pitch noise
[06:29:21 AM] BrainyNerd: yeah
[06:29:23 AM] BrainyNerd: i heard
[06:29:30 AM] BrainyNerd: it is a hardware problem
[06:29:38 AM] McoreD [MSUN: yeah but i hope it doesnt affect the
              performace
[06:29:51 AM] BrainyNerd: it doesnt affectt anything
[06:29:56 AM] McoreD [MSUN: phew
[06:30:04 AM] BrainyNerd: but it was just how it was made and
              deisgned
[06:30:15 AM] BrainyNerd: there is a new version to fix the problem i
              think
[06:30:24 AM] McoreD [MSUN: oic
[06:30:41 AM] BrainyNerd: well some of the people i talk to are not
              computer literate so they wouldnt
[06:30:45 AM] BrainyNerd: but most of us do
[06:31:11 AM] iiMcoreD: yep
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I've never said that conversation wouldn't be mixed if you use 2 accounts to talk to the same person

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
But still an option to have the configuration as C:\Docum.....\My Documents\Chat logs\<Email>\
where (email) would be an idividual .net passports logs will still be a better solution.

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
Hi Choli, I tested Messenger Plus! with two .NET Passports talking to the same person:

Testing Environment:
iiMcoreD and McoreD [MSUN] are my two .NET Passports and I am talking to the same contact BrainyNerd.

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TGG is right. This is just like when having group conversations saved. It's really not bad.

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I had a problem a week or two ago.  Here's the situation:

I have Friend 1 as a contact of two accounts I have: Account A and Account B.
I use Account A, and have been talking to Friend 1, and have accumulated a chat log.
I log off Account A, and login to Account B.
Friend 1 messages me on Account B, and the chat log that was created for Friend 1 on Account A was deleted (there wasn't even a .txt.old or .old.txt.) and a new chat log was created.

I like the idea of having the chat logs separated by account first, then by month, then the logs of each contact.

I'm wondering if this has been implemented by default in the next version, as I think it isn't a bad idea and would save logs from mysteriously disappearing >.>

MSN Messenger logs separate the logs by account by default. 

Yeah, I agree with that too. Microsoft Messenger does it nicely that way too:
Also gaim.

Cheers,
McoreD

I never use the chatlog service from MSN Messenger

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Originally posted by dennistt
I had a problem a week or two ago.  Here's the situation:

I have Friend 1 as a contact of two accounts I have: Account A and Account B.
I use Account A, and have been talking to Friend 1, and have accumulated a chat log.
I log off Account A, and login to Account B.
Friend 1 messages me on Account B, and the chat log that was created for Friend 1 on Account A was deleted (there wasn't even a .txt.old or .old.txt.) and a new chat log was created.

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Originally posted by dennistt
I like the idea of having the chat logs separated by account first

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Originally posted by dennistt
then by month, then the logs of each contact.

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
Yeah, I agree with that too. Microsoft Messenger does it nicely that way too:
Also gaim.

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CookieRevised, it is true with the new Messenger Plus! Live

What I suggested a year ago for Messenger Plus! was to save the .txt files in the following way:

My Chat Logs\mcored@betaone.jet\April 2005\hotrod@hotmail.com.txt
My Chat Logs\mcored@microsoftusernetwork.com\April 2005\sean@msn.com.txt

etc.

But since MsgPlus!Live has implemented a Chat Log Viewer like in Microsoft Messenger (above) or gaim, the problem goes away. The reason is, like you said, the View extracts that data out from the text/html files for chat log date, .net passport name and chat session and then present them in a nice way to the user.

Cheers,
McoreD

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
What I suggested a year ago for Messenger Plus! was to save the .txt files in the following way:

My Chat Logs\mcored@betaone.jet\April 2005\hotrod@hotmail.com.txt
My Chat Logs\mcored@microsoftusernetwork.com\April 2005\sean@msn.com.txt

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Too bad that feature was taken out. Now you can do only either folder seperation or year-month seperation.

Thanks for clarifying this CookieRevised.

It still is possible with Plus! Live as I described.

Well that's what I ended up doing.  Now I have differentiated the chat log folders into the accounts I have.  I always thought it would append to an existing chat log regardless of account (since by default the logs from all accounts get saved in the same directory, I thought that MsgPlus would be able to handle multiple account logging in the same directory), but maybe I didn't read the documentation somewhere about this issue?