I think i found a fix for this, I went to Forwarding and POP settings in my gmail acct. and set the option to "Enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on"

Now it is correctly displaying the count, for I have tons of sent emails in the outbox and read emails in the inbox- it all works perfectly.

Hope this helps

The only difference between "from now on" and "all" is that previous posts will not be counted. As soon as you start sending mail and recieving mail, the same 'bug' will appear, can you confirm that?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
The only difference between "from now on" and "all" is that previous posts will not be counted. As soon as you start sending mail and recieving mail, the same 'bug' will appear, can you confirm that?

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yep there is no way to fix this problem unless Gmail itself change how they use the pop3 protocol , you actually can determine how many new emails you have if you have remembered the last number that plus reported . Just a simple maths problem of:

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Couldn't a plugin use the Gmail API to access gmail account instead of using POP3? that way the problem could be fixed without requiring google to do there modifications (wich could take a while)

The only thing you can do to fix a lil bit of it is to label and archive the e-mails in the inbox. However sent mail is counted aswell (Gmail seems to have coded that same as inbox) and there is no way you can archive sent mail (i tried). Only way to fix that is like Chestah said...enable pop3 in Gmail again fresh.

The whole problem is that Gmail doesn't stick to the POP3 specifications! A true POP3 account is not meant to be used as an online storage, that's what IMAP (web mail) is for. Either way, both POP3 and IMAP specification are very clear and should be followed to the letter. If not, a new protocol should be made, just like MS did for their Hotmail mails. 'Raping' an existing protocol like that is never a good idea and will make programs useless and people think they are buggy.

This exactly same the is as would I write to begin this like, and call it proper English.

A fix? (Download and) delete every read and sent mail. That's how POP3 should be used anyways by the user. If you don't want that, then switch to IMAP.

i had de same problem but without gmail, with @argentina.com!....

Reads all the mails, unread and read!.......

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Couldn't a plugin use the Gmail API to access gmail account instead of using POP3? that way the problem could be fixed without requiring google to do there modifications (wich could take a while)

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i had de same problem but without gmail, with @argentina.com!....

Reads all the mails, unread and read!......

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Originally posted by Chestah
Yes, someone could make a Plus! plugin that does this and doesn't even use the SSL POP3 feature and just parses the gmail page like gmail checker and other programs do.

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Originally posted by Chestah
Yes, someone could make a Plus! plugin that does this and doesn't even use the SSL POP3 feature and just parses the gmail page like gmail checker and other programs do.

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That still would require SSL, only this time it is handled by your browser.

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EDIT: cookie you might wanna put some of these in your first post

Mine does the same thing with my Earthlink email account. It started out showing 15 new emails when there were none and now 6 days later it is showing 28 new emails when there are none. One thing I wanted to say about Gmail too, is that they have a G-Notifier that works great with Gmail. It sits in your system tray and besides just telling you how many new emails you have, it actually gives you a little preview of the new email that have come in so you can decide if it's something worth checking.

Isn't there a way to check email through Gmail RSS feed capabilities?

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Isn't there a way to check email through Gmail RSS feed capabilities?

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There already is a thread with Gmail notifiers (and other Gmail stuff) Check out this post.

Anyways this thread is about MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations, not about alternative Gmail checkers. Lets try and stay on topic

Checking Gmail works fine (the counts..ofcourse the checkin from Plus! works perfectly fine) if you forward everything into your pop3 email client (ISP e-mailaddy - not leaving any messages on the server or let Gmail archive the copy) or when you just follow the tips mentioned before:
- Archive messages in inbox after you read them (you can still access em in "all mail")
- After you've sent mail (and you find the email count too high) go into Gmail settings > forwarding and pop ... check "enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on", click save.

   I've been having the same problems with gmail only I've tried everything in this thread and it still tells me I have five e-mails every time, even now that I've permanently deleted every last one and tried multiple different combinations of settings.  My messenger keeps telling windows that I have five unread messages, so that shows up on the XP welcome/login screen and it won't go away!  I've tried everything I can think of can anyone help me?!

JMMB

So basically, Patchou lied to us all when he said messenger plus would be compatible with gmail

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So basically, Patchou lied to us all when he said messenger plus would be compatible with gmail

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I've been having the same problems with gmail only I've tried everything in this thread and it still tells me I have five e-mails every time, even now that I've permanently deleted every last one and tried multiple different combinations of settings.  My messenger keeps telling windows that I have five unread messages, so that shows up on the XP welcome/login screen and it won't go away!  I've tried everything I can think of can anyone help me?!

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   I've been having the same problems with gmail only I've tried everything in this thread and it still tells me I have five e-mails every time, even now that I've permanently deleted every last one and tried multiple different combinations of settings.  My messenger keeps telling windows that I have five unread messages, so that shows up on the XP welcome/login screen and it won't go away!  I've tried everything I can think of can anyone help me?!

JMMB

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So basically, Patchou lied to us all when he said messenger plus would be compatible with gmail

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Anyways this thread is about MsgPlus! 3.50 Pop3 Gmail Limitations, not about alternative Gmail checkers. Lets try and stay on topic

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Exactly, if you need anymore information PM me with your email and i'll explain it to you there. I investigated this feature before the launch of the latest plus and i can tell you everything you'd want to know

Although it has nothing do do with Plus! Those of you who want to know when they get mail from Gmail can use Google's notifier instead of MSN. It places an icon of an envelope in the system tray. Notificatoins are sent with a slide up message, and the envelope gains a blue border when new mail arrives. More info can be obtained from Gmail's
Info Page

You say its gmails fault. Then why does it work properly with all these other programs?

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Once you've enabled POP in your Gmail account, configure your mail client or wireless device to download Gmail messages. To learn about configuration settings, click the name of your mail client or wireless device below:

Mail Clients

    * Outlook Express and Outlook 2002 (and older) (Windows)
    * Outlook Express and Outlook 2002 (and older) (Mac)
    * Outlook 2003
    * Entourage 2004
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    * Eudora 5.1 (and higher) (Sponsored & Paid Mode)
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    * Netscape Mail 6.2
    * Netscape Mail 4.5, 4.6, or 4.7
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    * Mozilla 1.7
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It works properly with all those other programs because all of those other programs are fully-fledged POP3 email clients. They download all mail out of your Gmail account, and create a local copy on your computer, which is presented to you for you to read and manage/delete. Normally, with POP3 mail, once a client downloads messages, it deletes from the server. Gmail won't let the client do this, but you can set Gmail to take an action with downloaded messages. You then read them in the client, you delete them from the client, or the client marks the local copy as read.

Messenger Plus! is not a email client. It reads the POP3 data from Gmail, and reports the number of messages. If you choose, Messenger Plus! will launch a full POP3 client, or open www.gmail.com in your default web browser when click your email notification.

That list exists because they are popular programs, and Google has had the time to create step-by-step guides to entering Gmail's POP3 settings into them. It is not a supported clients list.

Edit: Spelling and clarification

If outlook and those other programs just checked your email they would come up with the same number as Plus! Except the way in which your using outlook (& etc) is to read and download the messages.

Plus! does not download any messages merely just reports the number back to you. Gmail doesn't abide to the pop3 protocol very well and hence this is why it doesn't work

Ok thanks for the news.

XinanZhang™

It seems that we can't read properly.



It says total email count.



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Yep, but it should be total of the inbox and notify you with new emails . Thats why theres limitations with gmail

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Let us hope Google will fix their pop3 feature in the near future and abide by the standards of the pop3 protocol.

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I doubt they'll fix it but we can hope i guess

sorry if this is stupid... first time poster and all...

this limitation has really been bugging me...
im no script expert, but there are some scripts for gmail out there... would it be at all feasable to have one go to the settings and disable then reenable pop3 (for mail since now) in gmail every time Messenger Plus checks for new mail? this combined with archiving all new mail in the inbox would give a reliable count for new messages only... except for conversations with more that one message on them i suppose...

anyway, just a thought...

Maybe, but Gmail is pretty secure, and uses XML-RPC to download pages, so you might have to resort to mouse macros to control a browser window to do it. You could always ask someone in Tech Talk, or at msnfanatic.

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sorry if this is stupid... first time poster and all...

this limitation has really been bugging me...
im no script expert, but there are some scripts for gmail out there... would it be at all feasable to have one go to the settings and disable then reenable pop3 (for mail since now) in gmail every time Messenger Plus checks for new mail? this combined with archiving all new mail in the inbox would give a reliable count for new messages only... except for conversations with more that one message on them i suppose...

anyway, just a thought...

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it is possibly i guess, to do it. But if Patchou adds a way for people to get around the Gmail problem, then other people who might have another problem with a different e-mail server will then ask for it to be fixed and use the argument that "Patchou fixed the gmail problem, why can't he fix this one?".

Furthermore, if you do this, then you are appeasing google, and sending out the message that it is ok not to follow protocols because everyone else will work around your misinterpritation of the protocols.

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And what about implementing something similar like RSS. I know it sounds maybe silly, but with Opera I can check the emails by RSS feed. So maybe something similar can be implemented.

Greetings
Tom

Note to myself: I should search the forum before posting. Thanks Ddunk

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And what about implementing something similar like RSS. I know it sounds maybe silly, but with Opera I can check the emails by RSS feed. So maybe something similar can be implemented.

Greetings
Tom

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What about if you just make as new gmail account just for plus. Than have your other one forward the mail, then as soon as you read i delete it from the 2nd account as you will have it in your normal account.

Thanks Trev

hmm, actually i think that will work. Try it out and please post back here if it works

I try all the settings, but my msgplus can't detect anyways. It just can't detect from pop3.

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I try all the settings, but my msgplus can't detect anyways. It just can't detect from pop3.

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Actually, I never seem to have that issue and I used the POP3 feature in Messenger Plus! to check my e-mail.

I use the archive my messages when they are downloaded on POP3 setting on GMail.

I also disabled the leave a copy of downloaded messages on server in my e-mail program (Microsoft Outlook).

Unfortunately, If you don't actually use POP3 to check GMail but you just use the POP3 feature in GMail so you can use the Messenger Plus! feature to check how much e-mail you have, then I can't help you with this advice.

the gmail limitation doesn't bother me.... i can do math and remember the last number of emails gmail had... but i seem to have reached a max limit or something.  i'm all about google’s philosophy with "never delete an email again" they have good search tools so why not.  so i have about a 1000 or so emails but plus says i have 445 and it has said that for a few months now.  i just disabled the feature because its pretty useless for me and I don’t care enough to reset the count all the time.

don't misunderstand me i'm not trying to say plus needs to fix this i'm sure its been programed around the pop3 protocol properly and i'm sure its all gmails fault but I’m curious to know if anyone else out there is having the same problem.  Or can someone confirm they get a count over 445 that increments.

interestingly enough sometimes i have received a count like 445,3 and the comma seems to separate different folders in most cases its seems to be the junk mail folder but it also has picked up the drafts folder  Its a little random and its never consistant to really know and I’m sure its all gmails fault.

I've never had any problem with the gmail mail notification, it always says the exact amount I have, then when I download them using outlook it turns back to 0, as it should be.

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I've never had any problem with the gmail mail notification, it always says the exact amount I have, then when I download them using outlook it turns back to 0, as it should be.

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I've never had any problem with the gmail mail notification, it always says the exact amount I have, then when I download them using outlook it turns back to 0, as it should be.

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Do you delete your emails or achive them?

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i have about a 1000 or so emails but plus says i have 445

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A script is more suited for a work around to this.

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Yep, that's true, when you download mails from gmail it downloads the recieved and the sent ones