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Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by aNILEator on 07-20-2005 at 07:10 PM

Well this is the second or third time MSN Messenger has stolen a messenger plus feature.

This time it's the sound clips feature frankly i think MSN should go back to its bloat-free state and let addons keep their original cool features

also i find the MS sound clips to be very quiet compared to the plus ones

What's your view?


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by mwe99 on 07-20-2005 at 07:13 PM

Lol well Patchou didn't go to Redmond for tea and cookies :P They obviously must have discussed something. But yeah i don't like the sign in screen or the dodgy add contact at the top


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by qgroessl on 07-20-2005 at 08:48 PM

Yeah... but it's kind've bull that they can just claim that stuff pretty much... Msg Plus! should think of some real kick ass idea and add it on right after MSN updates in September so that Plus will be that much better until they can update MSN again!


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by user27089 on 07-20-2005 at 08:50 PM

I doubt that MSN Messenger will ever be able to fully catch up with the features that you get when you download Messenger Plus!, it has never been able to and I doubt it ever will. The Messenger Plus! community is constantly growing, therefore, so are the ideas for features...

I don't like the new MSN 7.5 user interface at all, it has became a complete and utter mess if you ask me, I want some patching already, and it's only been leaked today!

I think the voice feature thing was definitely stolen from Plus! and I think it's an outrage, but as it hasn't been coded the same or anything, then Patchou can't do a thing...


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by mwe99 on 07-20-2005 at 08:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by traxor

I don't like the new MSN 7.5 user interface at all, it has became a complete and utter mess if you ask me, I want some patching already, and it's only been leaked today!

I think the voice feature thing was definitely stolen from Plus! and I think it's an outrage, but as it hasn't been coded the same or anything, then Patchou can't do a thing...

Snap, i dislike it too, way too cluttered, this was probably the discussion on the meeting Patchou went to.
RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Eljay on 07-20-2005 at 08:59 PM

i love the new sign in window and i think this version is much more stable

and the sound thing is slightly stolen but its totally different really


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by EvilSeph on 07-20-2005 at 09:00 PM

I love MSN Messenger 7.5.


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Plik on 07-20-2005 at 09:03 PM

I think this version is much better, its faster and more stable.
The new sign in screen is much better, and answers some peoples requests for the dp on the sign in screen
And the voice feature isnt that similar to plus' sounds, this just lets you say something to a contact quickly, whereas with pluses you set up sounds that can be sent over and over.


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by L. Coyote on 07-20-2005 at 09:18 PM

I really think they should hire new marketing people in the MSN Messenger team, because if they actually think people will like all the stuff they put in it... then they're nuts. :(


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by segosa on 07-20-2005 at 10:10 PM

I don't think they stole MsgPlus' custom sounds feature at all. MSN Messenger's implementation is obviously very different, which was very likely done purposely.

All it is is a quick recording taken from your mic sent to the other person, it's not stored, not reusable, there's no such thing as packs, etc.

And traxor, it's not "an outrage", MSN Messenger is still Microsoft's product and if they wanted they could put every single feature from MsgPlus into it and there would be nothing Patchou could do about it.

Anyway, I love this build. I've been using 6.2 for the last few months because 7.0 lagged the hell out of my PC (especially when scrolling the contact list), but this one runs nice and smoothly.

I think that the developers thought one day "well, we've got all the p2p stuff set up, we could easily use it to make so-and-so feature, why don't we do it for the hell of it?".


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Dane on 07-20-2005 at 10:37 PM

Well, here's my two cents.  Originally Mess.be was reporting this as Microsoft's MSN Unit stealing the feature that we all have now grown to love as "Sound Emotions".  On the contrary, they did not.  They simply implemented there own adaption of the feature, the part of it that Plus! missed.  And with due right.  I expect MSN Messenger's downloads to increase greatly from non-Messenger Plus! users realizing this feature, and when they search, they will probably ultimately see Messenger Plus! and install it.

Dont bash MSN, they love us.  We keep them employed.


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by EvilSeph on 07-20-2005 at 11:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Madman
I think this version is much better, its faster and more stable.
The new sign in screen is much better, and answers some peoples requests for the dp on the sign in screen
And the voice feature isnt that similar to plus' sounds, this just lets you say something to a contact quickly, whereas with pluses you set up sounds that can be sent over and over.

Don't quite agree on the stable part right now. It's crashed so many times, I have lost count.
RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by brian on 07-21-2005 at 12:04 AM

I think that the new Sound feature is absoultly useless.  If you want a 15 second clip, why don't you start a voice conversation?


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by qgroessl on 07-21-2005 at 12:07 AM

I agree! Just start a voice convo! haha... But then Plus!'s sound emotions still kick ass ;) haha... cause yeah they do because they can be saved and used later... I still don't have a leaked version yet... but I don't think I want one after hearing all that crap.


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by buzz on 07-21-2005 at 01:48 AM

^o)imo i think its  great that msn is using Plus! features as it enhances their service, if you like it in plus why not like it in messenger where it can be used with everyone? i kno that alot of people have msg plus! but only 10 out of 100 on my list do, maybe i want to make sounds with the others:P. I think a great thing to see would be a an option panel before installing to ask which features you would like to install(defult set to all) so that features you dont use wont just waste space/


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by -dt- on 07-21-2005 at 03:10 AM

[Image: xso_undecided.gif] i quite like both fetures in the way i see it there different like msn sound you cant reuse the sounds or anything only record it one time and have it sent straight to the contact , the plus ones you can reuse , make packs etc but i find with the plus ones its not very good just for the spur of a moment voice eg you want to call someone a noob once off then the msn voice thing is good for that.

both have their ups and downs [Image: msn_tongue.gif]  no features have been stolen people


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Poom on 07-21-2005 at 03:20 AM

I like the new sign in screen. It looks very nice to me. The program itself works faster too. Try scrolling down thecontact list with the two versions sepearately. You will see an obvious difference. The soundclip feature may copy Plus a bit, but is different to me. In plus, you need to take a lot of steps to record a sound or import a sound, but you can send it as many time as you want. While in sound clip, you can only record your voice, not import a sound, and send it only once. Soundclip is not as good as emoticon sound, but more convenient. What I hate about this build is, the DP frame in the conversation window. It looks very ugly. Also, the "Get my webcam" link under my DP. Actually, I don't like the new video icon too. :/ Oh, and how this new video button works. It now works similarly to Audio button. :/


RE: RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Salem on 07-21-2005 at 08:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by EvilSeph
quote:
Originally posted by Madman
I think this version is much better, its faster and more stable.
The new sign in screen is much better, and answers some peoples requests for the dp on the sign in screen
And the voice feature isnt that similar to plus' sounds, this just lets you say something to a contact quickly, whereas with pluses you set up sounds that can be sent over and over.

Don't quite agree on the stable part right now. It's crashed so many times, I have lost count.


Not a single crash for me.
RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by Pyroteq on 07-22-2005 at 04:59 AM

It keeps crashing for me, im about to create a thread.


RE: Peoples feelings to MSN 7.5 stealing plus features by RaceProUK on 07-22-2005 at 08:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by traxor
I think the voice feature thing was definitely stolen from Plus! and I think it's an outrage, but as it hasn't been coded the same or anything, then Patchou can't do a thing...
As usual, jumping to conclusions.
quote:
Originally posted by Segosa
I don't think they stole MsgPlus' custom sounds feature at all. MSN Messenger's implementation is obviously very different, which was very likely done purposely.

All it is is a quick recording taken from your mic sent to the other person, it's not stored, not reusable, there's no such thing as packs, etc.
Which makes it totally different to Custom Emotion Sounds, therefore is not a 'stolen' feature.
Custom Emotions Sounds are, by their very nature, shared and reusable. Voice Clips, by their very nature, and one-use-only.
In fact, compare the names: Custom Emotion Sounds - Voice Clips. To me, they're two totally different features.
quote:
Originally posted by Brian
I think that the new Sound feature is absoultly useless.  If you want a 15 second clip, why don't you start a voice conversation?
Because it needs to be accepted, connection problems may prevent a connection, it's far easier to just record a few seconds of sound when necessary...
Voice Clips - clips of your voice.
Audio Conversation - conversation using sound.
Again, two different features for two different reasons.

Now I should have shown that Voice Clips neither steals from Patchou, nor is useless because of audio conversations. Anyone who wants to try and prove otherwise, go ahead.

If I was Patchou I'd be fine with Voice Clips.