heres a thread that i got from a another forum, and i kind of agree with this guy, so what do you think? Knowledge or Faith?


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Timeline 1: Faith
8000 BC: 45% of Americans believe the Earth was created by God on this day.  That is their belief.  That is their "Faith".
32 CE: Christ was crucified.
2005 CE: Obscure youngsters argue about dinosaurs.

Timeline 2: Knowledge
Billions of Years Ago: Earth was Created over millions of years by the combinations of rocks, or whatever the theory is today.  Whatever the theory is it didn't happen in the last 10,000 years which is the entire point.
Sometime Before 8000 BC: Dinosaurs walked the Earth

Timeline 1 does not have room for Timeline 2.  Timeline 1 is composed of 45% of America population whose religion says it is the correct timeline.  Timeline 2 is the correct timeline in respect to Knowledge.  The validity of this knowledge is ever-changing, but in reality is as close to absolute as modern science can provide.  Faith cannot be defeated by Knowledge.  Timeline 1 still exists despite Timeline 2.

If you don't get that, just stop trying.  I don't know what else to do.  I'm not trying to prove some grand scheme.  The topic is "Knowledge Vs. Faith" not "Black Vs. White".  By that I mean black is black and it will never be white.  We are not talking in absolutes.  Faith and Knowledge are both abstract, ok?[/QUOTE]

Knowledge > Faith (by very little) > *
For me

Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

I think both are quite important. Its just your way of perciving things
I do have faith .... but not necessarily in the way that was shown in the quoted text ...... if it were up to the text then i believe in knowledge.

Faith alone is blind faith. Some people truly believe in alien/elves/fairies/zombies/(Bill Gates?) etc - we call them loony. If there is as much proof of Christ as of these other fantasies, what's the difference? Knowledge is very important I think, but it's the combination of the two that is the strongest.

Regarding the two timelines, I personally believe that they can co-exist.

I think that there is a degree of overlap between the two.

Creationists say that god one day said LET THERE BE LIGHT, Evolutionists say that one day there was a big bang, If you think about it, there is not much different between the two, a lot of light energy would be given out when the big bang happened.

Next, God created water, land, planet, fish and animals and finally man, in that order. Which pretty much talleys with what evolutionists say, I am not going to into detail about what the evolutionists say, but google it.

The similarities end when god did this in 6 days. However, I don't think that the bible is supposed to be taken litterally anyway, but is full of analogies and lessons 'n' stuff.

So, really, if you analyse stuff, you can see that evolutionists and creationists can live in perfect harmony, and all the crap of not teaching evolution theory in some schools can be scrapped because really creationism is the same as evolutionism in creationism there is a face put to the evolution process.

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If you don't get that, just stop trying.  I don't know what else to do.  I'm not trying to prove some grand scheme.  The topic is "Knowledge Vs. Faith" not "Black Vs. White".  By that I mean black is black and it will never be white.  We are not talking in absolutes.  Faith and Knowledge are both abstract, ok?

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CE???  I think he means AD.

Knowledge is of more use that faith.  It also say sto me that either 45% (at least) of Americans are morons or they've been brainwashed by a hipocritical religion.

Saral, I think you got all of that information from Dan Brown's Angels & Demons, it is an amazing book, and it tells you about all of the theories Saral has described...

I have a lot of faith, I believe in God, I find it weird that we are just here, and look at everything we have... Why haven't other things evolved as we have, and they have been here longer than us?

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Originally posted by Garndell
CE???  I think he means AD.

Knowledge is of more use that faith.  It also say sto me that either 45% (at least) of Americans are morons or they've been brainwashed by a hipocritical religion.

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Originally posted by traxor
Saral, I think you got all of that information from Dan Brown's Angels & Demons, it is an amazing book, and it tells you about all of the theories Saral has described...

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Originally posted by jchichuv
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Sometime Before 8000 BC: Dinosaurs walked the Earth

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Originally posted by Supersonicdarky
Actually it's 245 to 208 million years ago not 8000 years ago

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CE and AD are synonymous.

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Originally posted by traxor
Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

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Originally posted by Skeew

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Originally posted by traxor
Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

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I have to agree with Traxor, i think that the whole idea of religion is stupid!

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Originally posted by Skeew

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Originally posted by traxor
Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

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I have to agree with Traxor, i think that the whole idea of religion is stupid!

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Originally posted by Skeew

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Originally posted by traxor
Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

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I have to agree with Traxor, i think that the whole idea of religion is stupid!

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i belive the true thing is a combination of both, im religios,(catholic )

friendship>faith>knowledge>love>trust>*

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR

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Originally posted by Skeew

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Originally posted by traxor
Personally, I think that it is a load of balls...

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I have to agree with Traxor, i think that the whole idea of religion is stupid!

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religion isnt stupid because it gives people somthing to hope in.  if there is no hope there is no reason to go on...hope in God makes us go on in life...its actually pretty simple.

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Originally posted by damm-o
i belive the true thing is a combination of both, im religios,(catholic )

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Originally posted by Garndell
Before you say it, Satan is not a "god".  I'm a satanist, but I have my own personal twist on it.  I don't belive in any supernatural being, just myself.  I choose to be what people define as good or evil, to me it's just me doing what I want to do.

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Originally posted by multimillion2k

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Originally posted by Garndell
Before you say it, Satan is not a "god".  I'm a satanist, but I have my own personal twist on it.  I don't belive in any supernatural being, just myself.  I choose to be what people define as good or evil, to me it's just me doing what I want to do.

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In Christian views, Satan is a liar whose goal is not to make you worship him, but to turn you away from God. The logic in this is that if you're not following God, you're following Satan - the bible states that if you're not moving towards God you're moving away from him - ie. you can't sit in a grey area in between.

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Knowledge > Faith

Because I go more to experimentation and millions of years of life, rather than religion. Cientific Methods

i don't beleive in any god or any religion.

If the original reason for religion was to explain why we are here, then by saying a god who could suddenly create everything we know about and everything that exists must be infinatly times more complex than we are, so you have to answer the question, why is that god here?

people put faith in science because they think it makes sense... but why make current science absolute... it's all to do with the knowledge we aquire that we all learn from and share amongst each other. don't take science to be absolute, but do rely on your knowledge... and have faith in that knowledge. same goes for religion.

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR

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Originally posted by Garndell
Before you say it, Satan is not a "god".  I'm a satanist, but I have my own personal twist on it.  I don't belive in any supernatural being, just myself.  I choose to be what people define as good or evil, to me it's just me doing what I want to do.

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In Christian views, Satan is a liar whose goal is not to make you worship him, but to turn you away from God. The logic in this is that if you're not following God, you're following Satan - the bible states that if you're not moving towards God you're moving away from him - ie. you can't sit in a grey area in between.

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yes you are right...you see only God is the truth and only truth come from God...now satan is the father of lies..he is trying to turn us away from God so we will die forever in hell...now God wants us to love him and he loves everyone..even those who do not love him or beleive in him...if we go by what God says then we can live forever in his everlasting kingdom which is Heaven...thats what i beleive in basically...im not trying to offend u Garndell in anyway.

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Originally posted by Garndell
Before you say it, Satan is not a "god".  I'm a satanist, but I have my own personal twist on it.  I don't belive in any supernatural being, just myself.  I choose to be what people define as good or evil, to me it's just me doing what I want to do.

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR
yes you are right...you see only God is the truth and only truth come from God...now satan is the father of lies..he is trying to turn us away from God so we will die forever in hell...

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Originally posted by multimillion2k
In Christian views, Satan is a liar whose goal is not to make you worship him, but to turn you away from God. The logic in this is that if you're not following God, you're following Satan - the bible states that if you're not moving towards God you're moving away from him - ie. you can't sit in a grey area in between.

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My belief was guided by the hipocrisy, bigotry & lies of the Christian church I was born into.  In satanism I found belief in myself above all else.  Christianity to me is a plague on this earth, just my opinion don't be offended by it.

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we cant really have these religious threads here b/c there are too many people on here with too many beleifs that we cant agree with eachother...which just offends people and breaks people relationships wioth others i guess...its just sad that alot of people dont believe in God or at least some God. 

PenguinBoy likes such threads, because he likes to know what people hold in their souls.

I used to be religious, Strictly, but knowlege,  jelous people, and santa raped me of it. and left my mind naked to the burning sun (metaphor).

I would do many things to try and regain my faith. but the fact is once u see through it u can't cover ur eyes without knowing what ur covering them from. i'd never wish to take away the confort from people, which i myself once had. so i don't say to much.

Faith is a nice place to hide, but Knowlege rips down the walls.

even if did have more faith. and even my beliefs coresponded direcly with the gospel, i'd never again label myself with a religion. i'm 100% against it. Belief is personal and becoming part of a religion is far to dangerous for my liking.

Rejoice in the eyes of urself! because it's fun.

Dogma is a sweet film, i think if people are interested in religion it is a beast, quite entertaining too.

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Originally posted by PenguinBoy
Dogma is a sweet film, i think if people are interested in religion it is a beast, quite entertaining too.

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR
we cant really have these religious threads here b/c there are too many people on here with too many beleifs that we cant agree with eachother...which just offends people and breaks people relationships wioth others i guess...its just sad that alot of people dont believe in God or at least some God.

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Originally posted by traxor
Saral, I think you got all of that information from Dan Brown's Angels & Demons, it is an amazing book, and it tells you about all of the theories Saral has described...

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Originally posted by Purity's blog
I don’t think I can ever chose a religion, there is so many. The main reason is because there is so many limits, there’s pretty much no freedom. Let’s say your a full out christian, you do every single thing the bible says. Your a sinless person pretty much. What is the point of your life? You’d be doing the same stuff everyday pretty much, you’d have no fun. It bothers me when I hear a super religious person talk about god lots, the whole concept I just don’t get why, and how. I don’t wanna dedicate my life to living in fear of going to hell, I just wanna have fun. You only live once. We all sin. I think it’s kinda sad that the bible forces you to be afraid of hell, and to believe in god. I don’t understand gods concept on how he’s doing things around here. People say god can do anything he wants, why doesn’t he stop poverty and such, make the world more lively, and not so dull. I’m sure it was good at one point of exsistence, but evolution came and fucked things up, I think that it’s a fluke that there is living things on this planet, did you know that mars was always frozen. As far as science can tell? The only reason we are living is because we are the right distance from the sun. I’m sure that there is other life forms all over the solar system and in other galexies.

“You must do this in order to goto heaven!” etc etc etc!

You know I hate the idea of talking about negative things like this, religious wise, but someones gotta open their eyes.

But without religions, the whole world would be out of order, it’s what draws the line, makes things right.

I also have a small theory that the whole god and bible thing is a hoax, just to keep society together as much as possible, if it weren’t for these people, im sure the world would be terror. Sure it’s kinda a out there idea, but it would be possible, people wanted society to keep it together so they thought that making them live in fear would help.

“there is no good with out evil” if there was neither what would it be?

There has to be a point to exsistence, there has to be something that made us. Or maybe it’s something more than our minds can think, or power. Who knows, if there is a god, why doesn’t he do something about this world.

If people didn’t die from cancer and etc…. the world would be over populated. Dieing goes both ways, good and bad. But I think that everyone should die naturaly. Notice how in the old ages, there was no cancer, drugs, or terrorism, just shows how shitty this society has gotten and how it cant get much worse.

 

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Originally posted by Purity
I choose knowledge.....

You can argue with me about that as much as you want, will never get me to change my opinion or view on religion, or existance.

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Originally posted by Purity
“You must do this in order to goto heaven!” etc etc etc!

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Originally posted by MR_5_MR
we cant really have these religious threads here b/c there are too many people on here with too many beleifs that we cant agree with eachother...which just offends people and breaks people relationships wioth others i guess...its just sad that alot of people dont believe in God or at least some God. 

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