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the nooby computer man: RAM by stoshrocket on 10-04-2005 at 05:11 PM

okies, for those of you who have read the thread entitled things like 'a noob building a computer' and extensions of such will know that i get really confuzzled  when working with PCS. Well, i have done my homework, and have a full, well not really otherwise i wouldn't be writing now, understanding of building a PC. This question will be my last qu on comps until i gte my comp sorted and post a few pics. but for now, here is the qu::

~ on my motherboard it says RAM slots: 4 180summet pins, on my RAM it says 1GB 180sumet pins, does this theoreically mean that i can get a total of 4GB?!?! i dont wan this much, but i was talkin to my friend and he said he's upgraded from 1-2GB and says it has speeded up ALOT. So, do i just buy two sticks of 1GB of RAM then???? thnx guys an gals!


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by Reaper on 10-04-2005 at 05:16 PM

well, it depends on your motherboard. i found out on my dell the maximum amount of RAM my pc can support is 1Gb, so if you read your mobo manual it should tell you the maximum amount of RAM supported


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by CookieRevised on 10-04-2005 at 05:16 PM

in theory, yes...

in practice: highly depends on your motherboard. Not every motherboard will support that much ram. Look into your motherboard manual, it is clearly stated there which and how much ram and in what combinations you can get...

Note: I strongly doubt upgrading from 1GB to 2GB will increase the computer speed that much!

EDIT: I would suggest to keep your money in your pocket and spend it on other stuff instead (eg: upgrade graphics card, buy a bigger HDD, etc...). upgrading from 1GB to 2 or more GB is in most normal cases totally useless and you will gain nothing (except some nice numbers in diagnostics and a "wow" from your friends). Unless you are a professional designer of 3D movies or games or what not and have a killer machine to begin with.


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by Nathan on 10-04-2005 at 05:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
in theory, yes...

in practice: highly depends on your motherboard. Not every motherboard will support that much ram. Look into your motherboard manual, it is clearly stated there which and how much ram and in what combinations you can get...

Note: I strongly doubt upgrading from 1GB to 2GB will increase the computer speed that much!

EDIT: I would suggest to keep your money in your pocket and spend it on other stuff instead (eg: upgrade graphics card, buy a bigger HDD, etc...). upgrading from 1GB to 2 or more GB is in most normal cases totally useless and you will gain nothing (except some nice numbers in diagnostics and a "wow" from your friends). Unless you are a professional designer of 3D movies or games or what not and have a killer machine to begin with.
Or Upgrade motherboard which is sometimes a great thing to do, or upgrade psu etc...

RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by stoshrocket on 10-04-2005 at 07:35 PM

okies, thanks, i havent actually received my mobo yet, im still in the ordering process, hehe, thanks!


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by Reaper on 10-04-2005 at 08:39 PM

ok, well if your looking to put a lot of RAM in, consider checking how much it can support before buying it


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by TazDevil on 10-04-2005 at 10:22 PM

okz, fist of all

In RAM you should always consider quantity AND speed
quantity is measured in MB/GB and speed in MHz
(speeds in brackets are DDR speeds)

Most prolly your motherboard will support upto 1GB sticks, but you should check it out.

Second you should see what your processor clock rate is, so this is the maximum speed that the RAM will work, so if your processor is running at lets say 133.3 MHz (266.6 MHz), the maxinmun speed that RAM DDR will work is 266 MHz... even though you put higher speed RAM like DDR 200 MHz (400 MHz)

you should also check if your mother board supports dual channel RAM, well i think newer mobos support this, (my crappy one doesnt)

Anyway two slots will be of brown color and other two in blue color, not that color matters but you'll see that there are two pairs, of different colors.
This indicates that mobo supports dual channel ram...

Now if your motherboard supports duall channel RAM this means that it is better to have 2 memory sticks than one

Now if you have a single  DDR 1GB (400 MHz) stick then you have the same quantity but at lower speed aka (400 MHz)

Which means that 2 x DDR 512 MB (400 MHz) will give you a spead of 800MHz because data is tranfered direcltly to each RAM stick
So you have same quantity but double speed

Now you can see that having two sticks if way better than 1 IF the motherboard supports dual channel RAM.

Hope all the above makes sence and help you, in your decision.


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by Ezra on 10-04-2005 at 10:25 PM

the speed of your RAM isn't the same as your processor. I wish it was :P

Just check the manual for all the details about the maximum speeds and the supported types of RAM.

And 1 GB is more than enough for normal use


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by TazDevil on 10-04-2005 at 10:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ezra
the speed of your RAM isn't the same as your processor. I wish it was

If you were talking about my post...
RAM work on the same clock rate as the processor

for example my processor is a 133.3 MHz (clock rate) x 13 (a multiplier) which gives out a processor speed of 1733.3MHz which is my processors speed

Now my ram top speed will be 133.3MHz (DDR 266.6MHz) even if i put 200 MHz (DDR 400MHz) ram to it... because RAM have to slow down to work with the processor...

Hope this clears that point out...
RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by stoshrocket on 10-05-2005 at 11:16 AM

wait a min, iver just check mobo out on the internet and it says max support is 4gb, and i have 4 RAM slots, hehe, and btw, i need 2gb for my gaming addiction, there is still lag in BF2 with only 1 gb but alot of webies suggest 2gb of RAM, but its will be a nice to have, not a need to have, thanks!!


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by [MR] on 10-05-2005 at 11:37 AM

also if u want more RAM check the mobo manual so u can see what kind of RAM to get.  like if u have a MOBO that is one of the older ones u can only get RAM sticks that have PC100 or PC133,  but if u have a newwer one u it might be somthing like PC 2400 i dunno but u get the idea.


RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by YottabyteWizard on 10-05-2005 at 03:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Methos2
wait a min, iver just check mobo out on the internet and it says max support is 4gb, and i have 4 RAM slots, hehe, and btw, i need 2gb for my gaming addiction, there is still lag in BF2 with only 1 gb but alot of webies suggest 2gb of RAM, but its will be a nice to have, not a need to have, thanks!!
Thats what i was going to say, whenever a PC Spec is marked as X 180pins they aren't refering to the capacity of the mobo for RAM in GBS, they're talking about slots!
RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by CookieRevised on 10-05-2005 at 03:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Methos2
and btw, i need 2gb for my gaming addiction, there is still lag in BF2 with only 1 gb but alot of webies suggest 2gb of RAM, but its will be a nice to have, not a need to have, thanks!!
tbh, I don't believe that at all... The main factor in gaming speed is not if you have 1GB or 2 GB, it is the quality, speed and dedicated memory of your graphics cards (and processor speed, and HDD and/or CDROM speed, cache, etc...) which is the main factor...

Chances are very high that the lag will still be there, 2 GB or not... And maybe in the best scenario you will have a smaller lag, but the amount of money you will spend on that extra GB to avoid a tiny bit of lag you could easly and better have spend in upgrading your graphics cards or what not and have no lag at all...

but in the end, it is your choice and money though...
RE: RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by YottabyteWizard on 10-05-2005 at 04:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Chances are very high that the lag will still be there, 2 GB or not... but in the end, it is your money though...

Agreed, but the games noways they don't read almost anything from the CDs/DVDs they are just needed for CD check. I'm sure BF2 can run without problems with 1GB RAM, I've seen WoW on 512MB Ram PCs and there's no lag at all. The CPU and Videocard are the mainfactors besides RAM in games (and also internet speed if you're playing online)
RE: the nooby computer man: RAM by stoshrocket on 10-05-2005 at 06:04 PM

well... internet speed isnt a problem, ive got 2.2mbps that is always on max speeds, but i HAVE got a crappy computer now with only 512mb of RAM, ill just get the 1GB of RAM and see how it runs! thanks!