It is now out is there any plans to start modding it ready for upload soon?

why? whats so good (no offence surfi ) like whats changed so much that it will make the overall forum experiance good enough for wdz to put the work in to upgrade?

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why? whats so good (no offence surfi ) like whats changed so much that it will make the overall forum experiance good enough for wdz to put the work in to upgrade?

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WDZ always updates any security patches, he said so many times before, when others bugged about all versions after RC2...

He also said it'll take time... (to convert his mods)

Edit: besides, there are no published mods for MyBB1, as of yet...

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He also said it'll take time...

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Edit: besides, there are no published mods for MyBB1, as of yet...

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wdz codes all his mods anyway by himself.

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Originally posted by Absorbation

bugs, new features, sercuity

Plus the mods will be rewrote and maybe even improved on

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i still go back to my orginal question , how does this make my forum experiance better

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i still go back to my orginal question , how does this make my forum experiance better

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more user features and maybe that avatar holder design bug will be fixed (yes wdz you messed it all up in all bowsers)
* Absorbation runs

btw i do not really want it i'm just speaking for other people

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This forum is very heavly modified from the original and can't be compared to the original anymore. Installing a new version requires weeks (if not months) of hard labour to adapt everything and to make everything compatible again. The final result will be not much better than what we now have (except maybe the version number).

Can i just say I DO KNOW THIS i have repeated himself a few times now. I do not care if it is updated but others want to and i'm speaking for then. Wdz did say they will be updated and i thought the forum members would benfit from knowing the furtute of these fourms

So i am waiting for wdz or another admin to repley and close this thread i wanted a smimple anwser thanks

No decision has been made.

TBH, I hardly even pay attention to MyBB's development anymore. What's the current version? Is it still some kind of beta/preview/RC?

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TBH, I hardly even pay attention to MyBB's development anymore. What's the current version? Is it still some kind of beta/preview/RC?

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Originally posted by Lee Jeffery
nope, final now.

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Most probably...

I love the way this forum is at the moment, it has hardly changed in two years, apart from features... I don't see the point in changing, can't this just be unique ...

MyBB MsgPlus Version. .

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and can't be compared to the original anymore.

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and can't be compared to the original anymore.

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I disagree, this forum is still 90% mybb code... (thats surfi's data, he mentioned it in a similar thread).

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Hey

well the final release has updated/solved about 104 bugs and problems found in PR2.

The only confusing thing is upgrading the pr2 into the final, as you will have to revert again all the templates along with some other things.

upgrading it from rc4 will goes the same proccess as if anybody did for pr2.

Actually i'm still using PR2, and i'm just waitting to have more time until i update !! .

All the mods for pr2 works on final so far, also smethead have updated all his mods.

As i'm there on mybb forum, i have still didn't find problem regarding the update. but i dont know, we might later find.

upgrade guys

regards

Zaher, the problem is that WDZ created all the mods himself, and there are many other little tweaks in the code, and probably a few database structure changes. So upgrading this installation is not as simple as upgrading most other forums.

I still stand by the fact that the current version is awesome. Dz has checked around all the security stuff a million times. What difference does it make if its rc2 or final.

This is at par if not better. Plus dz said a long time back that from the day that he decides to upgrade, it'll prolly take about 4 months to do all the security checks, addition of mods and random customisations, themes etc.

Imho, we should just stick with this theme. Eventually Messenger Plus! 4 will be released and im guessing there will be a new forum theme (like we have one for v2 and v3) so then simultaneosly we could upgrade

Dz, just let it be as it is
<advert>Dz's laziness is legendary. Laziness is the cruise control to coolness. Join dz's fan club now and you will be eight times more lazy in a week gaurenteed </advert>

This has nothing to do with laziness. Its just a joke

hey

yeah i understand that!! but i was't telling msghelp to upgrade, i'm telling those who have old versions.

illustrating to what u have said, View Latest Posts is one of those things, along with the options in it, like show unanswered threads and threads posted by you.

Well what i hope to is having a releazed version of these mods soon, not only to be for msghelp hope so.

anyway , good luck

Shall we have a vote if to even botheing upgrading or not. As we are all happy with the current rc2 version

msgplus is so huge!! and has lots of added things!! this will be a little bit "troubles maker".

well i think and i beleive that the forum team will know better what they can do !! if they are ready for such a thing, or even if the new version will support some cool adds made over here.


RC4 holds the highest number of mods!! and many of them are just gr8 !!, but still some of these wont work on the new version, and i'm sure many of them are here (e.g the froum rules box, below)

regards

What's the point?

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RC4 holds the highest number of mods!!

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RC4 holds the highest

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RC4 holds the highest

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sorry heheh why i always have in mind that msghelp is rc4 !!!!

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I think that this forum has been modded by WDZ and other admins so much, not just with plugins but other bug fixes etc, that its not really anecessary upgrade at the moment. this forum is probably the least buggy/flawed RC2 release out there. i vote we change the little thing on the bottom of the front page to: Power by MyBB MsgPlus Style

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Originally posted by Absorbation
bugs, new features, sercuity

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Originally posted by Absorbation

Shall we have a vote if to even botheing upgrading or not. As we are all happy with the current rc2 version 

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i vote we change the little thing on the bottom of the front page to: Power by MyBB MsgPlus Style

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Hmmmmm I think the only real judge of this board can be surfi.  He knows about all major exploits here and could potentially do some major damage.  Although this is also the biggest mybb forum know to man

I think we should upgrade it would be very good

but the thing is would surfi and everyone else have the time and effort to uprgade?

thanks shawnz

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I think we should upgrade it would be very good

but the thing is would surfi and everyone else have the time and effort to uprgade?

not to mention the time that the forums would be down

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This forum is very heavly modified from the original and can't be compared to the original anymore.

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Dz has checked around all the security stuff a million times.

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haha wdz has checked every bit of code and has fixed all the bugs that have been fixed on Mybb 1.0

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More features? Blah! Surfi has stolen many of wdz's features so shush

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haha wdz has checked every bit of code and has fixed all the bugs that have been fixed on Mybb 1.0

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They wouldn't be down...? maybe for about twenty seconds, sure...

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Dz has checked around all the security stuff a million times

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Benefits? I can name quite afew, especially for forum staff in terms of moderation.

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I think he should make some sort of /test/ directory, then take the time to install, etc, etc.  After that, when it's done, just use mod_rewrite OR move the files to the root of "msghelp.net".

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This forum is very heavly modified from the original and can't be compared to the original anymore.

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Have you seen the code? No, then you can't make that call.

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The only thing that should be changed in RC2 is the upload systeam it's hard to post a pic or a file compared to the new vertion. Other then that I don't see anything wrong with this.

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Other then that I don't see anything wrong with this.

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I did look through all the code when I upgraded to RC2, and I fixed a whole bunch of stuff, but of course I didn't do much testing of possible obscure bugs because that would have been too much work.

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Other then that I don't see anything wrong with this.

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Its exploitable like Surfi said

boards need upgrading.  Like I said this is the biggest mybb forum running its going to get attacked at some point tbh

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Why do you people care what version is running?

The board works doesn't it?


The staff should decide if the board will be upgraded or not.

@ Surfi test some known sercuity bugs and see what a potential hacker could do to these forums. Remember this is one of the most popular mybb forums around making it likely to hacks.

Plus the mods are already done and the basic code is wrote. It just needs to be changed to work with the new mybb files. Which some mods maybe hard however the lasest posts one it a new page and should be easy to update.

Plus mods maybe even improved when the update occurs. However we totally understand if updating the forums can take months and probably the whole process will start next month, as this is a busy season

The answer to when this forum will be upgraded to the latest version of MyBB (currently 1.01) is avaliable here: http://community.mybboard.net/showthread.php?tid=...pid=35029#pid35029

Also, if you would like to know why it is taking so long look here:
http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2006/01/06/my...y-ho/#comment-7606

Shortly Chris did say on his forums (or blog, cant remember) that a newer version of MyBB would be avaliable, myself as well as many other people of MyBB's forums have reported over 30+ bugs with end-user and back-end code. Chris is also reminding us that MyBB code is dodgy and all his efforts, as well as the rest of the Development team, is on cleaning and setting a guideline. But MyBB latest version has fixed many vunrabilities as will the next version, and the next version and the next version, and the next versi... Not one person, nor one BulletinBoard avaliable to us is Secure, therefore if the forums were to be upgraded anyway, it would still have exploits.

The good side, and I agree with many other people is that you should always have the latest version of any product you may have in your posessions. Saying that means that it isnt our business to dictate what the admins should do and shouldnt do. And seeing as thats that, i recommend that this thread be closed (im not demanding therefore im not dictating).

Dang it's already on 1.02!

Well from what I have notest WDZ has been active the last littel while on MyBB Community Forum. He has never realy been active at all since RC2. But anyways most of his posts are about the MyBB main code, variables and function so he may be working on transfering his mods over or just seeing how hard it would be to upgrade.

Anyways this isn't for sure just what I have notesed over at MyBB


WDZ Feel Free to correct or change anything I have said

Well, what I'm currently working on is just going through every line of the code, finding bugs and security holes, and trying to get a good understanding of how everything works.

I haven't started "porting" any of my modifications yet. Sometime in the next week or so I'm going to set up a test board on my localhost, which will be very helpful for testing modifications. I never had that when modding RC2...

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Well, what I'm currently working on is just going through every line of the code, finding bugs and security holes, and trying to get a good understanding of how everything works.

I haven't started "porting" any of my modifications yet. Sometime in the next week or so I'm going to set up a test board on my localhost, which will be very helpful for testing modifications. I never had that when modding RC2...

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A quick update...

For the last 2 weeks or so, I haven't really messed with MyBB at all. The current release is quite buggy IMHO, and the developers have made tons of fixes [partial list] that they haven't released yet. I don't want to waste my time finding/reporting/fixing bugs that they already fixed. Also, I expect that a lot of code is going to be changed, so any modifications I do may have to be re-done after the release.

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About the release date... we are doing our best to get 1.2 out of the door ASAP, as it fixes many bugs I think the community wants fixed.

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* WDZ leans back, puts his feet up, and waits

why not just use another board such as vbulletin ? or phpbb

Its more that we use mybb than anything, have a look through the forum history thread.  Surfis done a lot to help these forums.

and maybe because there is a ton of data here

that might be the case but whats to say the next mybb wont be hjust as buggy?

cause they'll fix errors

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cause they'll fix errors

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why not just use another board such as vbulletin ? or phpbb

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that might be the case but whats to say the next mybb wont be hjust as buggy?

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thought thats what was suposed to happen in 1.02?

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phpbb an vbulletin has been around for how long, i dunno biut its had time to mature,

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i dont think this board has,

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PhpBB hasn't had a decent update in a long time either.

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I have a few questions. What is your problem? Why do you care for?

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Maybe vecause its stable enough?

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yeah coz DZ fixes them . im sure he'd prefer to do more exciting things than spend his time than just fixing holes in this board

if no-one finds and reports bugs then how is the board software going to have a chance to mature in the first place? imo its better than vbulletin/phpbb anyways, in terms of usability etc. and it seems pretty mature anyways

Look we can sit & argue all we want. The fact of the matter is that we used BETA 4 for god knows how long, then WDZ updated to RC2. IMO this board has progressed nicely along the timeline & is not your average board MyBB board. If it ain't broke, why fix it? MyBB will continue to be updated for awhile, meaning evertime it is updated there is a call for WDZ to update all his mods?

Thread re-opened after deleting some spammy posts...

I don't understand why some of you seem to be opposed to upgrading. I'm 100% positive that I want this board to be upgraded. There are a number of very good reasons, and here's a quick list I came up with...

- The Admin CP in RC2 sucks. It's very buggy and I have never really trusted it. Fixing it up is something I could never motivate myself to do, since only 4 people ever use it.
- Security. No more reliance on global variables! More secure login cookies.
- Lots of bug fixes, new features, general improvements, optimizations, etc. Probably a better user experience overall, for everyone.
- New data caching system to ease the load on MySQL.
- Better XHTML compliance, better theme system.
- Improved attachment handling, and file-based attachment storage! We have a lot of attachments here, too many to store in the database, IMO.
- Thread read/unread status stored in the database instead of cookies. Cookies are too limited and unreliable.
- New usergroup system, allowing a user to be in multiple usergroups, which should make it a lot easier to set up permissions for private Beta Tester forums and stuff.
- Upgrading from MyBB RC2 to 1.2 would be kinda like upgrading from Windows 98 to XP.

I could definitely go on, but that's enough typing for now.

As for "my mods"... many of them are already in MyBB 1.0 and they will not need to be re-added. The other "essential mods" that I can think of are...

- SpamShoutBox
- Reputation system (my custom one)
- Quick Quote
- Latest Posts page (MyBB kinda has one, but it's not as good as mine)
- Moderator CP (allow moderators to ban users and remove avatars/signatures)
- [countdown] and [noparse] bbcodes?

All of those can be re-added and I intend to do so either before upgrading, or soon after. Also, I intend to complete my code audit, to ensure that the board is as bug-free and secure as I can make it.

Here's to expecting a cleaner forum with all the kickass features mentioned above and more

If you decide to add those mods a bit after the upgrade then i hope you have the themes up before it We dont want to be kicked back to the default theme

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What mybb version is the msgplus forum currently using? im confused

read the footer

Messenger Plus!™ ©2001-2006 by Patchou
Powered by myBulletinBoard 1.00 Release Candidate 2
Copyright © 2006 The myBulletinBoard Group
Theme design by GFDD.net

How much longer till this all gets done? isnt DZ waiting for the 1.2 of MyBB?

I'm waiting for a real bugfix release... there hasn't been one since December 9th. All the releases after that have been little security patches only.

Edit Before Posting: I just checked MyBBoard.com and, what's this? MyBB 1.1 released?!? I'll have to check this out...

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I'm waiting for a real bugfix release... there hasn't been one since December 9th. All the releases after that have been little security patches only.

Edit Before Posting: I just checked MyBBoard.com and, what's this? MyBB 1.1 released?!? I'll have to check this out...

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More about Mybb1.1 here in this Thread

Probably still better to wait for 1.2 with this board.... 1.1 is only a few bugfixes, 1.2 will be a bigger update and still planned to be released soon.

WDZ: Get on the MyBB mailinglist, that notifies you about every release an no other spam .

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Probably still better to wait for 1.2 with this board

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Probably still better to wait for 1.2 with this board

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agree'd   no point putting 1.1 on it.  just extra work for lazy bum to do when 1.2 comes out

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rolf lazy lazy lazy. yer but i agree wait to 1.2 comes out.

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1.2  is not even guranteed to happen

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Read the latest news on http://www.mybboard.com/ It says there that they are going to release 1.2 .

THere are still problems with the MyBB code right now. WDZ I think is waiting for a stable release.

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1.2  is not even guranteed to happen.

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Probably still better to wait for 1.2 with this board.... 1.1 is only a few bugfixes, 1.2 will be a bigger update and still planned to be released soon.

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Yep, I think I'll wait.

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We're taking the "it'll be out as soon as it's ready" approach I believe.  There is no estimated release time but there's a lot of development going on at the moment if that's anything to go by.

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We're taking the "it'll be out as soon as it's ready" approach I believe

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phpBB sucks. It has no attachment system it's like the worrest BB I have ever used!

where does that fit into this thread

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phpBB sucks. It has no attachment system it's like the worrest BB I have ever used!

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We should never upgrade The version we are running has been improved by WDZ a lot, he has checked the code fixing possible exploits and bugs.
The current mybb release is just not safe, the spanish community (running the latest release) has been hacked a couple of times already (we are not php-gods like wdz ).

Better wait for a safer release

im pretty sure 1.2 will be pretty much safe an with DZ's Mods ontop im sure it'd be extra safer

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We should never upgrade The version we are running has been improved by WDZ a lot, he has checked the code fixing possible exploits and bugs.
The current mybb release is just not safe, the spanish community (running the latest release) has been hacked a couple of times already (we are not php-gods like wdz ).

Better wait for a safer release

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once there is a stable release.

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The current mybb release is just not safe, the spanish community (running the latest release) has been hacked a couple of times already (we are not php-gods like wdz (Smilie)).

Better wait for a safer release (Smilie)

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