Messenger Plus! 3.62 - Printable Version -Shoutbox (https://shoutbox.menthix.net) +-- Forum: MsgHelp Archive (/forumdisplay.php?fid=58) +--- Forum: Announcements (/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +---- Forum: Announcements & News (/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +----- Forum: Archive (/forumdisplay.php?fid=27) +------ Thread: Messenger Plus! 3.62 (/showthread.php?tid=54094) Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Patchou on 12-20-2005 at 01:24 PM
Hello, RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by mwe99 on 12-20-2005 at 01:31 PM
This version is compatible with the forthcoming Messenger Plus! Live. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Max on 12-20-2005 at 01:31 PM Thanks. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by x2zen on 12-20-2005 at 01:46 PM Keep up the good work Patchou RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Bionic on 12-20-2005 at 02:31 PM Excellent work! Keep it up Patchou RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by user27089 on 12-20-2005 at 02:32 PM Nice work Patchou , new versions are always good . RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by cyberlords on 12-20-2005 at 03:00 PM change log? RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by user44571 on 12-20-2005 at 03:01 PM
nice work, thanks Patchou RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Mnjul on 12-20-2005 at 03:25 PM
Nice update Patchou quote: http://www.msgplus.net/changelog.php RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by John Anderton on 12-20-2005 at 03:48 PM Downloading it RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by cyberlords on 12-20-2005 at 03:51 PM
thanks Mnjul RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by absorbation on 12-20-2005 at 03:53 PM Nice work RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by huwnet on 12-20-2005 at 04:20 PM Thanks for the update RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by DJKAL on 12-20-2005 at 04:36 PM
where do you download the update RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Menthix on 12-20-2005 at 04:38 PM
http://www.msgplus.net/download.php quote: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by DJKAL on 12-20-2005 at 04:40 PM
chhers ... RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Rik on 12-20-2005 at 05:27 PM thanks patchou! RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Choli on 12-20-2005 at 09:20 PM well done patchou! RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Voldemort on 12-20-2005 at 11:10 PM
Thanks! RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Dane on 12-21-2005 at 12:05 AM Excellent Work Patchou... RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by linx05 on 12-21-2005 at 02:39 AM Nice work. Good xmas present I may say. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by prashker on 12-21-2005 at 02:47 AM
Great Job Patchou RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-21-2005 at 04:02 AM
and this version continues with a sponsor (malware)??? RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by prashker on 12-21-2005 at 04:04 AM
quote: the sponsor is optional RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-21-2005 at 04:14 AM
quote: of course, is optional, but it is not the sufficiently clear thing in which the patrocinador risks when installing RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Plik on 12-21-2005 at 04:16 AM
quote:you can either click the radio button to agree to installing it, or click the radio button to not install it. I dont see how you risk accidently installing it, unless you just click and radio button you seen in an installer with out reading the window. RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-21-2005 at 04:40 AM
quote: no, you don't understand me...is optional, accidently is imposible to installing, is not clear because the sponsor is malware and in the setup that is not clarified, do you understand me now?? saludos, que esten bien RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by CookieRevised on 12-21-2005 at 11:13 AM
Patchou, thank you quote:It is extremely clear in the setup what the sponsor will do. All you need to do is actually read the stuff behind an option and to read the EULA, which you must do to legally install any piece of software. RE: RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-21-2005 at 02:47 PM
quote: really??, where one says that the patrocinador is malware, that will seize of your pagina of beginning, that will secretly send information to C2 Media, that it adds to a bar search and a bar of tools that show announcements that they have access to the URLs that we visited and show to different pages which we solicitd, that it adds icons and undesirable favorites and many of their archives are recognized by main antivirus (Nod32, BitDefender, Kespersky, Norton, AVG, Antivir, Avira, DrWeb, Fortines, McAfee, Panda, TheHacker, VBA32, etc…) like trojan horse (Swizzor), adware or spyware (Lop, AdSpy). the installation of the sponsor is optional, but many users end up installing it without wishing it (is well by ignorance or not to read) if were extremely clearn the setup what the sponsor will do, it would explain everything what I say, and of that way the users would know that they face RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Primexx on 12-21-2005 at 08:08 PM
About the hooking thing, anyone care to explain abit more? I'm lost. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Lt.Col.DraGon on 12-21-2005 at 10:10 PM
Good Job Patchou. Keep up the good work RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by CookieRevised on 12-22-2005 at 12:17 AM
quote:It is adware, not malware. Adware isn't nessecairly malware. The term "malware" is used by people to call things they don't like and as such is a very, and I mean very, subjective term, as were adware, spyware, virus, trojan, etc are not; they have fixed and clear definitions... quote:EULA, read it... quote:Nothing will be send "secretly" at all. quote:EULA, read it... quote:Your browsing behaviour is NOT monitored, only your use of that added search bar is monitored (of course). quote:EULA, read it... quote:The sponsor is ONLY reconized by SOME minor anti-spyware tools. Reasons behind it is that those tools do NOT make a difference between all the DIFFERENT sponsor packages that exist!!! The sponsor package included in Plus! is a VERY minimized and especially stripped down version of the least intrusive sponsor package of C2Media. Even C2Media (aka lop) has different levels of "sponsors". You can even research this yourself (instead of proclaiming heresay)... quote:The blame is NOT upon Plus! for those people not bothering to read something before they install something. Sorry to say this, but it is their own fault if they install something WITHOUT reading something. Yes, accidents do happen, but there is a massive major difference between an 'accidental install' (which can indeed be annoying, but that is why you can very easly uninstall the sponsor) and an install because somebody simply didn't bother to read something or somebody was simply to lazy to read something. And this isn't even 'tricking' people into something, as it is very clearly shown what the two options are, and above all NOTHING is selected by default. The story would be different if there wasn't any warning at all (this is what the definition of spyware is). But since it is very clearly said what is being installed and what it will do(!), this can NOT be classified as spyware at all! And the user DOES HAVE the possebility to opt out before anything is installed... ALWAYS! Of course, he needs to read what is being installed. In real life you don't sign a contract either before reading what the contract is about!!!! This is exactly the same for any software; it always has been, and it always will (And the sponsor/EULA, in case of Plus!, doesn't even have a 'fine print' at all, as a real life contract could have.) You don't like the sponsor, good, fine, that's your perfectly good right!! So don't install it (and if you choose to not install it, NOTHING will be installed EVER); NOTHING is forced upon you in ANY way; You can still use Plus! fully without any trace of the sponsor. quote:Again, READ the EULA, that is what it is there for; End User License AGREEMENT. If you tick (TWICE!) the option to install the sponsor, you are supposed to have read and AGREED to the AGREEMENT; "I ACCEPT the terms of the SPONSOR'S AGREEMENT". And as the screenshot shown in my previous post shows, it is VERY clear and it is VERY clear that you will ALWAYS have the choice to choose it or not. In fact, it is much more clear than many other 'sponsors' you wil find in other programs (yes, even the searchbar and browser 'hijacker' of MSN Messenger itself; which is selected by default and lacks the explaination of what it is and what it will do).... Conclusion : You have every right in the world to not like the sponsor and people do respect that (in fact some hard-core supporters of Plus! don't like the sponsor either; eg: I don't install the sponsor iether, simply because I do not like even adware. Though I understand the need of it, and as such, I do support Plus! in other ways; but nothing has ever been forced upon me and nothing has ever tricked me into installing something I didn't want (because I read stuff before installing something)). The sponsor is optional, you do not have to install it and the choice is very clear. But above all and whatever your stand-point, don't proclaim and/or spread heresay and generalizations, even if you don't like a thing; stick to the facts instead. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by adam.yao on 12-22-2005 at 03:48 AM
If the newest msgplus support wlm 8.0, that is very wonderful. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by mwe99 on 12-22-2005 at 03:57 AM
quote: This version will NOT support WLM on its own. You must wait for Plus Live! (coming 2006) to be released if you want Plus! for WLM RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by adam.yao on 12-22-2005 at 04:00 AM
quote: 2006 is on the front of eyes. Waiting is unavoidable and a little worrying. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-23-2005 at 03:12 AM
quote: The patrocinador is not simple adware or advertising robot, it is not only in charge to make us visualize publicity. It has functions of spyware constantly sending information to C2 Media, has functions of hijacker kidnapping our page of inico and search, adds a bar search and a bar of tools that show announcements, has access to the URLs that we visited and show to different pages which we solicitd, adds to icons and undesirable favorites. It's a MALWARE (malicious software) and what happens with people which read the EULA and they do not know what is adware? if were clear in says what will do the sponsor, one would say that nonsingle will be publicity (adware), but, also that will act as of spyware (sending information to C2 Media), hijacker (kidnapping our page of inico and search), etc. but, it's ok, do not continue with this ok??...the people who believe, believe... the people who do not believe, does not believe... i don't want have a bad temper with you and i don't want that you have a bad temper with me, ok?? Patchou had problems with "microsof antispyware" and I have understood that Patchou had problems with Microsoft AntiSpyware a few months ago in which they detected that Messenger Pus! was malware and Patchou had to solve this problem. I don't know more information but, that is what i know...I think patchou is going to solve that problem, right?? ...saludos RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by CookieRevised on 12-23-2005 at 03:35 AM
quote:No, it was a problem with Microsoft AntiSpyware, not with Messenger Plus!. Microsoft AntiSpyware was the one who needed to solve the problem because it was Microsoft AntiSpyware which was categorizing Messenger Plus! itself wrongly. quote:ok, but if you don't know more information then don't state untrue things. Stick to facts, not to what you believe or assume... quote:ok, but the thing here is: you believe and assume... And "believing" or "assuming" is not "knowing". ------------------- EDIT (I don't want to make another post about it, but...): quote:Aye... thus read the EULA which clearly states what the sponsor will do and which you also must agree upon when you install the sponsor. Spyware is not going to give you any notice of what is going to happen, it also doesn't ask for your permission to be installed or not. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-23-2005 at 03:58 AM
The programs spy or spyware are applications that compile information on a person or organization without their knowledge. The function commonest than has these programs is the one to compile information on the user and to distribute it to advertising companies or other interested organizations. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Lt.Col.DraGon on 12-23-2005 at 07:33 AM
quote: Well.. i can't post in spanish but i can say that it is "I just presented what i knew" . Well. Microsoft AntiSpyware fixed this by patchou's petition.. but last week.. microsoft antispyware detected msgplus again as a spyware... again.... and it was detected after the scan and i already have the latest version of antispyware.. anyone else has this? RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-23-2005 at 02:39 PM
quote: ok, thanks quote: ok, i know that is an error that microsoft antispyware detect msgplus as a spyware, because the malware is the sponsor.... I would like ask something: why Patchou had that add a sponsor in the software? (considering that is malware detected by several antivirus) RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by CookieRevised on 12-23-2005 at 04:24 PM
quote:It is there to keep Messenger Plus! free. Patchou works on Messenger Plus! almost 24/7; it is his fulltime job (in fact, he works more hours on Plus! than you would work in your company). It isn't programmed by magical little gnomes who never need to eat, sleep or whatever, but by a human being who needs an income also. Not to mention the other costs which are involved like the sound server, the webpage hosting, etc. etc. etc. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by John Anderton on 12-23-2005 at 04:29 PM
quote: quote:tbh this is getting old. I think we should make a sticky with all FAQ's. And imo you are most qualified to make it (tho i guess we could pitch in) And it would need to be locked anyways with a pm cookie for more link or something (wait elites arent allowed to post in closed threads ... meh you'll figure it out ) RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by L. Coyote on 12-23-2005 at 04:46 PM
quote:I couldn't agree more. With all these little trolls popping up every once in a while, from very dodgy sites... quote:Someone could polish out Absorbation's FAQ... RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by CookieRevised on 12-23-2005 at 04:50 PM
quote:They are not all trolls. Many people, unfortunatly, don't know such things and rightfully wonder about them (and believe everything they read without any question, instead of researching stuff themselfs or actually get their info from the source). They become trolls if they keep on insisting and spreading biased untrue stuff without doing any proper investigation themselfs. If they dismiss the information given by the people who actually program it, or actually know how it is made or have the knowledge how programs work under the hood or whatever, and instead use reports from other people (who again got their info from other people, who are biased and get their info from yet another site, etc etc) to base their "info" on, then yes, they are trolls... RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by L. Coyote on 12-23-2005 at 04:55 PM
quote:I meant specifically users like this one, that has been posting on the Spanish forums before, about this matter, and comes from a very dodgy forum which has a biased report against MP! (with wrong and misleading English->Spanish translations, btw). It's just users who only want to fight and argue with everyone, despite being proven wrong (trolls ). I know there are users that truly want help and are willing to be helped, and thus I've never been one to treat them wrong. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-23-2005 at 05:25 PM
quote: ok, agrees...but, why he had that transform the sponsor in a malware?? is it the only way to make money?? RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Sunshine on 12-23-2005 at 05:38 PM
quote:Would you prefer paying for Messenger Plus! or do you want spyware like other programmers sneakily put into their socalled freeware? It's adware and there's nothing sneaky inside it..it's optional (and nobody can overlook or accidently install the sponsor, providing they read, nothing is checked by default unlike in other programs)..what more can you ask for? So unless you prefer the above mentioned, this is the only way. There is NO malware or spyware in Plus! Malware definition: "Malware" is short for 'malicious software' and is usually used as a catch-all term to refer to any software which causes damage to a single computer, server, or computer network. “Malicious software”; a generic term covering a range of software programs and types of programs designed to attack, degrade or prevent the intended use of an ICT or network. Types of malware can include viruses, worms, Trojans, malicious active content and denial of service attacks. In the case of invasion of privacy for the purposes of fraud or the theft of identity, software that passively observes the use of a computer is also malware (“spyware”). Spyware definition: Any software that covertly gathers user information through the user's Internet connection without his or her knowledge, usually for advertising purposes. Spyware applications are typically bundled as a hidden component of freeware or shareware programs that can be downloaded from the Internet. Once installed, the spyware monitors user activity on the Internet and transmits that information in the background to someone else. ... Adware definition: Typically, adware components install alongside a shareware or freeware application. These advertisements create revenue for the software developer and are provided with initial consent from the user. Adware displays Web-based advertisements through pop-up windows or through an advertising banner that appears within a program's interface. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Voldemort on 12-23-2005 at 06:51 PM Pay patchou a 100000000 dollars for him to make a special version without the sponsor. RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Max on 12-23-2005 at 07:00 PM
quote: If I ever win the lottery, I am donating 1 million to the Messenger Plus! fund. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Eljay on 12-23-2005 at 07:07 PM
quote: dont, he will retire. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by L. Coyote on 12-23-2005 at 07:57 PM
quote:Send small monthly checks? RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Max on 12-24-2005 at 10:27 AM
quote: o yeh, i rly wil. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-24-2005 at 03:40 PM
quote: "The patrocinador is not simple adware or advertising robot, it is not only in charge to make us visualize publicity. It has functions of spyware constantly sending information to C2 Media, has functions of hijacker kidnapping our page of inico and search, adds a bar search and a bar of tools that show announcements, has access to the URLs that we visited and show to different pages which we solicitd, adds to icons and undesirable favorites." these is a malware!!! RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by blackjack on 12-24-2005 at 04:44 PM
quote: Cookie and Sunshine just told u.. theres no Malware in Plus!.. please read what they said again.. PD: Please stop this fernando.. we told u the same on Spanish forums.. now you came here arguing about the sponsor again.. RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by Negro_Joe on 12-24-2005 at 11:51 PM
its pretty obvious... RE: Messenger Plus! 3.62 by fernandosk8 on 12-25-2005 at 08:24 PM
ok, i'll stop it...i'm sorry, i don't continue with this.... |