Patchou has posted and you can now begin to send money to traxor@gmail.com via. paypal, there are no other ways to donate money as yet, but if you have any ideas, then they are all welcome. Any offers are welcome, ranging from $1 to a $10, it is all up to you. Once the money is collected, we will then send the money to a charity of your choice.

Here's a proposal for all of you out there:

How about we start a charity on this forum, not much, just something like $2 (usd) each, which is about £1. Maybe even less, and we send it all off to one charity, raising as much money as we can for them. As I know most of the frequent members do have paypal accounts and stuff and it would be pretty easy for them... It would be simple enough to raise $100 to give to charity, and even that is a fair amount. I'll be giving some, because I sell quite a bit on ebay, so I may aswell put a percentage of that to the charity.

What do you think?

I don't have paypal

But I think its a 50/50 decision wether its good idea or bad

I think its a good idea, as long as your not the charity...

Yeah obviously I wouldn't be the charity, and it would be a joint decision as to what the charity would be, as long as it's a good cause and doesn't go to something crappy like the odd socks appeal . (jimmy carr)

i think its a good idea. what charity though?

Like I said, the charity is nothing to do with me, and none of the money will go to me of course, 100% of the cash will go to a charity of the forums choice, in the name of Messenger Plus! Live?

i would...
but i dont have paypal

People could send cheques to me too if they wanted .

To note to everyone traxor is looking for $3 very fast for hosting

....... /me feels a scam

and if they are donated to patchy?

Haha no, I'm selling all of my Little Britain stuff on ebay to get the money for my hosting .

This is just something to do in the name of the forum really.

It seems like a good idea, I'd participate .

Are you going Cancer, children, DEC? Yeah I would be up for it.

thats a good idea.  another idea would be to support a child or two in africa or somwhere with a program like world vision. 

tbh, I don't trust World Vision, it's been accused of money laundering etc a bunch of times. I'd much rather donate something to help organizations such as Evergreen, WWF, Green Peace, Amnesty International or Red Cross.

P.S. Love the idea.

P.P.S. Leave trax alone.

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I don't trust World Vision

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The Red Cross.

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Originally posted by Time
The Red Cross

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Idea is good (although pruposed before). The only problem is who is going to admin the account, and what charities (different each year?) will the money go to. Not everybody will agree on these points...

Furthermore, you already can support a charity (Red Cross) in name of Messenger Plus! since years, all you need to do is order something from the Plus! store.

http://www.msgplus.net/store.php

I don't see the point in doing this, tbh...

Giving the money to a charity means that it may get stolen or just used to pay their costs, the people you really want to help won't get anything.

If you really want to give money away, go to a local shelter and give it to the person you want to help. Or better yet, give them food, blankets, etc.

By the way, there are ways we can help actually.

If we raise £42, we can buy a camal for a family in Africa . £20 for a calf, £30 for water to feed a village.

The rest of my form (apart from me, so i'm not taking credit, don't ask why either thanks.) did a charity thing, so they bought something for a specific village in Africa. You can control the money you give to charity quite well now.

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Originally posted by traxor
By the way, there are ways we can help actually.

If we raise £42, we can buy a camal for a family in Africa . £20 for a calf, £30 for water to feed a village.

The rest of my form (apart from me, so i'm not taking credit, don't ask why either thanks.) did a charity thing, so they bought something for a specific village in Africa. You can control the money you give to charity quite well now.

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Originally posted by Leo
If you really want to give money away, go to a local shelter and give it to the person you want to help. Or better yet, give them food, blankets, etc.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Furthermore, you already can support a charity (Red Cross) in name of Messenger Plus! since years, all you need to do is order something from the Plus! store.

http://www.msgplus.net/store.php

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* Chris4 waits for Messenger Plus! Live merchandise to come out

It doesn't matter whether it's a big sum of money or not, any money counts tbh. I will donate as much as I can.

I'd participate in this Good idea

Ahh, there was a chain thingy done several times in my country.

Basically, a guy got a button (normal button from a shirt), and traded it for something else (like a candy), and went on trading the stuff, until he got a few hospital machines for a remote hospital somewhere. Pretty cool, you could try doing something like that (on a smaller scale, of course).

I would put some money forward, but only if its not with Paypal. They are a bunch of money-stealing arseholes who take money away from good people (like the SomethingAwful.com money drive for Hurrican Katrina... what the eff!) Paypal = Not trustworthy at all!

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Originally posted by Super Dude
I would put some money forward, but only if its not with Paypal. They are a bunch of money-stealing arseholes who take money away from good people (like the SomethingAwful.com money drive for Hurrican Katrina... what the eff!) Paypal = Not trustworthy at all!

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how many times would we be sending money off to the charitys?

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Originally posted by Negro_Joe
think its a good idea, as long as your not the charity...

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Originally posted by damm-o
and if they are donated to patchy?

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Originally posted by Leo
Giving the money to a charity means that it may get stolen or just used to pay their costs, the people you really want to help won't get anything.

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Originally posted by Super Dude
I would put some money forward, but only if its not with Paypal. They are a bunch of money-stealing arseholes who take money away from good people (like the SomethingAwful.com money drive for Hurrican Katrina... what the eff!)

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Originally posted by Leo
If you really want to give money away, go to a local shelter and give it to the person you want to help. Or better yet, give them food, blankets, etc.

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Originally posted by Super Dude
Paypal = Not trustworthy at all!

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Originally posted by damm-o
and if they are donated to patchy?

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afaik patch donates to charity already I remember reading somewhere on msgplus.net about him donating to red cross for the tsunami victims.

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The chances are I would set something up in paypal, such as with the user msgpluscharity@gmail.com, and any money that goes in is heaped up until we have enough to choose what to do with the money, then I'll send it up, and show everyone the receipts etc.

If anybody has a problem with that, then say.

Because this would be in the name of Messenger Plus! (I at least assume), you also need to contact Patchou about this. Though I don't think he has any problem with it; nevertheless, if you do something in the name of Messenger Plus!, it is always needed to contact Patchou...

Shall I email him now regarding the thread? I will send it to his more personal email rather than his Messenger Plus! one, as his msgplus one is bombarded with emails regarding beta testing, and I doubt he will read those anytime soon,.

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Originally posted by traxor
Shall I email him now regarding the thread? I will send it to his more personal email rather than his Messenger Plus! one, as his msgplus one is bombarded with emails regarding beta testing, and I doubt he will read those anytime soon,.

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maybe we could donate to patchou for all his efforts?

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Originally posted by Reaper
maybe we could donate to patchou for all his efforts?

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Originally posted by damm-o

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Originally posted by Reaper
maybe we could donate to patchou for all his efforts?

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i wrote that

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i think we should give it to Patchou for offering an amsing free tool for so many years, but i dont have paypal with money in it so i cant really help out

I think the best person to administer the paypal account is Patch himself. Not that I think that traxor isn't trustworthy or something, but Patchou is the msgplus! man. This will also make sure more people will trust to send money.

And don't use a gmail account for the paypal, patch should make a charity@msgplus.com or something.

And maybe save it up untill christmas or something and make a poll to choose where the money gets donated.

I think having a Msgplus! charity fund is a good idea, but i'm not sure how to go about it, so i'll leave that up to the rest of you... it already seems confusing as to who should take care of the fund etc...

is there any compound interest in pay pal?

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Originally posted by damm-o
is there any compound interest in pay pal?

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Originally posted by jren207
I think having a Msgplus! charity fund is a good idea, but i'm not sure how to go about it, so i'll leave that up to the rest of you... it already seems confusing as to who should take care of the fund etc...

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I have just finished writing the email to Patchou, hopefully he will reply, but I'm sure we all understand that Patchou has more important things to worry about at the moment, such as Messenger Plus! Live .

It sure is a good idea, you can go ahead, I'll be among the first to do a starting donation . I trust Traxor to be able to manage all of this.

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It sure is a good idea, you can go ahead, I'll be among the first to do a starting donation . I trust Traxor to be able to manage all of this.

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I'd love to participate, sadly I do not posses any PayPal account or such. If there's another way of donating, or maybe promoting the donations, don't be shy to post it, I'll try my best to help out.

If you really want, you can start sending money to traxor@gmail.com, once the money starts coming in, I will create a thread asking how we should spend the money. As for other methods of getting the money, I haven't thought of any yet, any ideas?

No other money will be sent to traxor@gmail.com for a while, but if you also put the subject etc. of the money you send clearly on there, then it won't get mixed up with anything else.

I have made sure and there is £0.00 in my paypal account, so all of the money that goes in now is purely to do with the Messenger Plus! Charity Donation .

Not that I don't trust traxor, but I agress with Ezra:

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And don't use a gmail account for the paypal, patch should make a charity@msgplus.com or something.[/url]

Maybe ask Patchou if if can create a similar accoutn which you could then add to the paypal account, just makes it sounds better than sending it to your email.   

But once its all setup I'll be sure to donate, and I'll mention it on MPSounds, once everything is sorted out.

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If you really want, you can start sending money to traxor@gmail.com

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No other money will be sent to traxor@gmail.com for a while, but if you also put the subject etc. of the money you send clearly on there, then it won't get mixed up with anything else.

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My mum works for the British Red Cross; I could probably have something a little more official set up.

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Originally posted by Time
My mum works for the British Red Cross; I could probably have something a little more official set up.

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I agree that we should have a dedicated account first... charitydonations@msgplus.net or charitydonations@msgpluslive.net, something like that.

And I also think we should decide where the money will go to first. I think allot of people would not donate because they're not sure what they are supporting. We could throw in suggestions on what organization to donate it to and then put those options in a poll later. Once the organization is decided people can start donating.

Maybe Patchou can put something about it on the site to once we picked an organization and have a dedicated account. A page about it on msgplus.net/msgpluslive.net makes it much more official and trustworthy then only a forum topic.

And I like the idea of picking a new organization to support every year. Patchou could go along with it and donate his merchandise income to the same organization every year if he wants.

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Originally posted by Time
My mum works for the British Red Cross; I could probably have something a little more official set up.

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Gives me another reason not to donate - the fact that the account may have more than one reason for income coming in to it.

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What are you saying?

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Originally posted by traxor
Or of course, I could go to my local bank and get an account set up there for the Plus! Charity.

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Ok, well lets just wait and see if Patchou is willing to manage the donations then.

When have I ever not been trustworthy to you, I would handle the money in a professional manner, I would even be happy for the account to be open to more than one person, such as myself, cookie & patchou or something.

I would like you to name one instance of me being untrustworthy when it comes to money, it's going to charity for gods sake, I'm not going to go and steal it. I take the whole charity thing very seriously, and donate to charity whenever I have the possible money to do this, such as when I see somebody outside a shop collecting money, or the money boxes inside shops. Charity is the top priority here, nothing else.

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Are you sure you wanna give it to the Red Cross? Theres plenty of other charities out there..

I remember a few years back when it got leaked in Australia that the Australian Redcross were taking ridiculous amounts of donations to pay for board members salaries - not sure if i can trust them anymore.

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If you want Patchou to be the one handling it then I don't mind, I would rather it be him than anybody else. That doesn't mean that I'm just giving up the project, I still want to play part in it, as I was the one who had the idea in the first place .

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Not true!

Legit, decent charities do not steal money, and your donations do get to the people in need. In fact, the charities more far better than anyone else to where the money should go. And money is not always what the people in need need; The charities will buy the stuff the people need with the money you send.

Of course there are bad examples which call themself "charities", but they should in no way taken as an example for the legit decent charities.

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I just think it would be better if Patchou handled all this as if it does become a front page news item (as some people have previously mentioned) then they'd probably much prefer the owner then a forum member that they wouldn't know .

I trust you traxor, but i think thats the best way .

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Originally posted by traxor
When have I ever not been trustworthy to you, I would handle the money in a professional manner, I would even be happy for the account to be open to more than one person, such as myself, cookie & patchou or something.

I would like you to name one instance of me being untrustworthy when it comes to money, it's going to charity for gods sake, I'm not going to go and steal it. I take the whole charity thing very seriously, and donate to charity whenever I have the possible money to do this, such as when I see somebody outside a shop collecting money, or the money boxes inside shops. Charity is the top priority here, nothing else.

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I think Traxor could manage this fine, but Patchou should have access to the paypal account too. It doesn't really matter if we as regulars trust Traxor or not. When you really want to do this good, what really matters is: Who do most of the Plus! users trust? We're talking about 10million people here. 99% have no clue who Traxor is and therefore have no reason to trust him at all. That's why i think there should be an @msgplus.net/@msgpluslive.net account to paypal to and Patchou should have access to it. Traxor can still manage it all, all Patchou needs to do is monitor everything is going right .

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Originally posted by traxor
When have I ever not been trustworthy to you, I would handle the money in a professional manner, I would even be happy for the account to be open to more than one person, such as myself, cookie & patchou or something.

I would like you to name one instance of me being untrustworthy when it comes to money, it's going to charity for gods sake, I'm not going to go and steal it. I take the whole charity thing very seriously, and donate to charity whenever I have the possible money to do this, such as when I see somebody outside a shop collecting money, or the money boxes inside shops. Charity is the top priority here, nothing else.

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That is not what I am god damn saying!

I just don't go around handing $100-$200 USD to people on the internet who i've never ever met and haven't known for long enough. Personal experience shows me that.

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Originally posted by Chestah
I just think it would be better if Patchou handled all this as if it does become a front page news item (as some people have previously mentioned) then they'd probably much prefer the owner then a forum member that they wouldn't know .

I trust you traxor, but i think thats the best way .

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Ok, so what charities can we donate this money to?

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Of course Patchou will have access to the account etc. when all of the money stuff is there, and he will be able to access it whenever he wants, for whatever reason he wants... To monitor anything. It would work well that way, as people would trust it more, and it would be more official.

I will donate as soon as my paypal says I have a few bukcs [current account total: $0 USD, $0 CAD total: $0

Well this certainly sounds like a great idea, maybe we should challenge other websites to donate more and that way we can have a competition that gains more money for charity .

That's a really good idea Chestah.

i prefer the red cross..
i dunno much about paypal...
is it possible to donate from a card?

you dont need a paypal account to donate to another paypal account

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Originally posted by Reaper
you dont need a paypal account to donate to another paypal account

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On reapers charity link in his sig...on the faq it says this

Whats the whale stuff all about?

When hosting your ad, 20% of the price you pay will be going towards the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society. The main charity case behind this site is about the news of the whale in the River Thames.

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Originally posted by Chestah
maybe we should challenge other websites to donate more and that way we can have a competition that gains more money for charity .

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remember kiddies, internet jobs pay lots.

i'd donate, but not really to someones private name, i'd rather it setup by patchou.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
NO!

This is not a good idea... it is about donations, nothing else... why must everything be competitive?

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i agree but which forum do u have in mind?

Edit: any word form patch on this?

Anybody can participate, this also means any other "community". But this should not be a competition. It shouldn't even be compared! There should not be "a race" at all; everybody donates whatever he/she wants...

Do not make this into a race/competition/whatever!

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I think its a good idea, as long as your not the charity...

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