They will hurt us .



...But seriously, Cookie if you read this... Give Patchou or me an update on the Dutch languagefile (preferably Patchou). If you don't have enough time, then maybe I can finish it? If you're still gonna finish it, than at least give a quick message and let us know you're alive.

I'm starting to worry because you never seem to be online anymore .

I'm pretty sure we need not worry about Cookie...he posts here and there and every now and then i see him appear (log in) on msn. If anything Cookie is incredibly busy (i think) in his job as theater technician...we may need to worry about him beeing way too busy (lurking burnout, starting to forget things) tho as i do lots of times (but blah i'm female, we tend to worry too much).

Surely he will meet the deadlines *fingers crossed*.

I'm still as much alive as I was the last time I left a quick message regarding the translation though...


But indeed I don't have much time to roam the forums as I used to, the time I have mostly goes to the translation.

But I can say one thing: although the overall dialogs are bigger than before, the actual controls on them are quite often waaaay smaller (and quite often without any reason... aka much unused but unavailable white space) making it absolutely hard, and in some cases totally impossible, to make a consistent and decent translation.

man, thats bad news...

Im sure that if cookie can't do it others can.... we have an army of really dodgy dutch people...

Menthix, Sunnie, Tochjo, Fanta, Mippo, etc....

Cookie Just remember to contact me when you think you need help.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
But I can say one thing: although the overall dialogs are bigger than before, the actual controls on them are quite often waaaay smaller (and quite often without any reason... aka much unused but unavailable white space) making it absolutely hard, and in some cases totally impossible, to make a consistent and decent translation.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
But I can say one thing: although the overall dialogs are bigger than before, the actual controls on them are quite often waaaay smaller (and quite often without any reason... aka much unused but unavailable white space) making it absolutely hard, and in some cases totally impossible, to make a consistent and decent translation.

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Originally posted by Patchou
I've fixed a lot of stuff based on translator's feedback since the beginning of the processus.

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lol, so you wanna compare th way the translation is done for Plus! and the way it's done for Messenger? the Microsoft way is the best by far (as it gives translators control over the complete interface) but it would probably require 5 times more work, especially for upgrades, including minor ones and I'm not about to ask every translator to work full time all year long on my punny addon.

I can't fix space issues for every language, I never could and I never will. However, I'm doing my best to accomodate the 20 translator's teams and for that to happen, I need to know when there is a problem. From the feedback I've had in general, nobody seems particularly bothered with space issues, at least, not more than with Messenger Plus! 3 if you consider the proportion of requested compared to the amount ot stuff that had to be translated.

If there might be a sudden need for help with the Dutch translation, feel free to bug me. With the space problem, I can imagine it's a problem in Dutch as we're long winded people Two know more then one though, together we might be able to come up with something suitable?

For some things there are alternatives, but those alternatives are not consistant and/or canon with other translations of similar sentences.

In some cases though, there is not a single Dutch alternative (eg: "Up" => "Omhoog" in the find dialog).

Many controls are just long enough to hold the English translation. The thing is that English is a language with extremely many short words and where combined words don't exist; they all are seperate words (and thus can be 'splitted' over multiple lines).

In many other languages the words are much longer. Especially in Dutch where, as Fanta has pointed out, words are relative very long, not to mention that many words are combined together and can't be split.

eg: to give a (maybe not so good) example: "contact log viewer program" would become "contactpersonenlogboekprogramma".

These same issues also existed in Plus!3 and where also pointed out back then. The thing that some controls have even less available space (while there is plenty of space which can be used) now makes that even worse.

@Patchou: a list is being compiled with the trouble controls

'Contactpersonen' could also be 'contacten' (contacts in english). As we are not talking about a mechanical device, everybody knows it's about the persons in your list, which makes it a smaller word without a double meaning. Microsoft likes to write 'Contactpersonen' because they got plenty of space, but we must be realistic as we are limited. We must be creative, though clear. I really believe if we bundle our Dutch power we can bring up good alternatives

'contact log viewer program' -> 'contactlogboek projector'

viewer program -> weergave -> weergever = projector (beter nederlands)

see?

"contacten" could work, but I personally think it sounds a bit dodgy.

And "contactlogboek projector" just sounds plain weird. Do not forget the Dutch translation is used by both people from Belgium and Netherlands. "Contactlogboek projector" may be acceptable for Belgium, but I can assure you 80% from the people from the Netherlands have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by MenthiX
"contacten" could work, but I personally think it sounds a bit dodgy.

And "contactlogboek projector" just sounds plain weird. Do not forget the Dutch translation is used by both people from Belgium and Netherlands. "Contactlogboek projector" may be acceptable for Belgium, but I can assure you 80% from the people from the Netherlands have no idea what you're talking about.

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'contactlogboek projector' sounds extremely Dodgy to me. (yes, capitalised to put empasys on it )

To make it even more complicated, a lot of English words have found their way into Dutch. Just to point out, Viewer is Dutch as well:

U hebt gezocht op viewer:

RESULTAAT (maximaal 20 woorden)

vie·wer (de ~ (m.), ~s)
1 optisch toestelletje om dia's e.d. te bekijken

Source: www.vandale.nl  I'd say they can be trusted


"contact logviewer" zou technisch gezien dus een mogelijkheid zijn.

pro·jec·tor (de ~ (m.), ~en/~s)
1 toestel om een positieve afbeelding op een scherm te projecteren



No but i know what you mean. (Weird northernneighbours )

[SERIOUSLY GETTING OFF TOPIC]

blah, I knew there would be a discussion about this, hence why I tried to avoid it by saying "it isn't the best example".

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'Contactpersonen' could also be 'contacten' (contacts in english). As we are not talking about a mechanical device

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everybody knows it's about the persons in your list, which makes it a smaller word without a double meaning. Microsoft likes to write 'Contactpersonen' because they got plenty of space, but we must be realistic as we are limited. We must be creative, though clear. I really believe if we bundle our Dutch power we can bring up good alternatives

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'contact log viewer program' -> 'contactlogboek projector'

viewer program -> weergave -> weergever = projector (beter nederlands)

see?

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"Contactlogboek projector" may be acceptable for Belgium, but I can assure you 80% from the people from the Netherlands have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by Exca
I don't know for holland, but will they think they have to buy the device instead of double-clicking? Guess not...

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Originally posted by Exca
Even stronger, in Holland the language-usage is even more strict than in Belgium...

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Originally posted by Fanta
To make it even more complicated, a lot of English words have found their way into Dutch.

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Just to point out, Viewer is Dutch as well:

RESULTAAT (maximaal 20 woorden)
vie·wer (de ~ (m.), ~s)
1 optisch toestelletje om dia's e.d. te bekijken

Source: www.vandale.nl  I'd say they can be trusted
"contact logviewer" zou technisch gezien dus een mogelijkheid zijn.

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Originally posted by Exca
It's just a habit falling apart that's all. Like MSN that is going to be WLM in a couple of weeks. People still don't believe it's going to change, and they think it sounds weird as well. But lets see in a year how many people still think it sounds weird, and who still uses the word MSN. People make habits fast, especially on computers.

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You're not seriously getting off topic, we all were. I mostly was poking fun at 'contactlogboek projector' 

but in all seriousness, if you have trouble with finding suitable words for some parts, brainstorming about it with more dutchies might be an option as together we might find something that fits, I think everyone here is merely saying that they wouldn't mind helping you out at times.

*Bumps this topic*

Where did the Dutch language file hid himself?