I saw Absorbation's thread about your Views and i thought that was a good idea so i have created another thread about a different topic.

I saw another thread about some towers where it was a muslim only day. Many people replied with views on religion, so i have made this thread to discusse the topic of Religion.

Do you believe there is a god/s? What do you think of Religions? have some Religions gone to far with some of there  rules? Are you religous? Do you think religion causes to much violence? If you are religious why do you believe there is a god?


Please trie not to be racist

i do not belive, religion has causes way to much conflict in the world for no reason.

I am a theist (I feel like the only one here) .

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Originally posted by Discrate
If you are religious why do you believe there is a god?

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I don't think there is a god. People use god to explain why we are here, however, if you explain that we are here because another sentient being created us, it just brings the question of how did that being come to exist. And I think most religions conviniently ignore that.

Well I believe things are not meant to be black and white, that would make life too easy. Maybe we have to find religion, despite it maybe highly unlikely to be true. I mean if God came down everyday, it's evidence he exists, and it would be too easy to live your life. I Believe this life is designed to be a challenge.

Do you believe there is a god/s?
Not sure. I don't believe any creation stories up to the point of the big bang, but after that, I have no idea.

What do you think of Religions?
Bad. Ok, so maybe most people that are religious don't go on killing sprees and are everyday happy nice people. But what do they do if we eventually prove that there isn't a God? Unlike in the past where people used "God did it" for an excuse to things they didn't know, where it wasn't actually that important to be proved wrong, this would undermine their entire faith. I'm pretty certain if this happened a lot of people would be "lost".
Whereas with atheists, if we proved God existed, then they'd just be like "ah crap, we were wrong, lets get on with worshipping this dude."

Have some Religions gone to far with some of their rules?
Yes. It's the whole sexist thing. In most widespread religions (christianity, islam, etc) women are treated way worse than men. Although in Christianity it's not so bad in modern days (they're even considering female bishops last I heard (although it's strange for a religious body to accept a "gay" leader before a woman, but whatever)) we can still see Islam being used (I'm not saying this is the whole point of the religion) to keep women almost persecuted in Islamic countries (* thinks Afghanistan).
As I said, I'm not saying this is what the *religion* teaches, but it is what people interpret the religion to say (or exploit it). But in effect, in my opinion anyway, religions are only there to keep people in line anyway.

Are you religous?
No way.

Do you think religion causes too much violence?
Not religion in itself, but the way it's interpreted. And to be quite honest, without religion people would just find another reason to kill each other.

If you are religious why do you believe there is a god?
N/A

I respect others religion...let everybody believe what they want, just don't force it upon me (in order of trying to convince me i oughta follow your religion..if certain things are off limits because of your belief i will respect that and adjust, not make a fuss about it). Now if everybody would look at it that way there'd be no more fights over religion in the world.

Religions are like everything else...it depends on how the believer interprets it.

Personally i do not follow a certain religion.

I for one respect others' religion and allow them to do w/e then want untill and unless it is interfering with something someone else is doing.

I expect the same from all other right minded people.

God may exist as a supreme force. When i meet him, ill let you know. And i dont exactly follow any religion but i like to know about some of them cause the people around me do. Part of religious tolerance i guess

I'm not religious. But there is no solid evidence of either the existence or absence of a deity, so that's why I wouldn't hurry in claiming that there is no god whatsoever and that's it. I guess the easiest way to think of it would be that there exists whatever you decide to believe in.

As far as violence is concerned, I think we all know plenty of examples from history which demonstrate how far religious beliefs can take people and how religion can be used to disguise one's true goals. And in that sense, religion, like all ideas, can be a very dangerous thing.

All in all, I think that if one wants to follow a certain set of beliefs and feels that their life will benefit from that, then why not. We all believe, or at least want to believe, in something. However, what I consider wrong is claiming to follow a certain religion and not always living according to it, the "I'll go to church on every sunday and I can live however the hell I want the rest of the time" mentality. If one has decided to follow a certain belief, it should follow through in every moment of their life.

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Originally posted by Sunshine
let everybody believe what they want, just don't force it upon me

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Originally posted by Haz
Indeed, it's everyone's own choice what to believe in.

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atheists ftw!

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Originally posted by azn angel
atheists ftw!

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I don't know, this is too much of a coincidence, but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
I don't know, this is too much of a coincidence, but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
I don't know, this is too much of a coincidence, but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Originally posted by absorbation

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Like I said life is designed to be a challenge. Also I believe we are born with free will.

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
What do you think of Religions?
Bad. Ok, so maybe most people that are religious don't go on killing sprees and are everyday happy nice people.

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Exactly... Oh, and since I forgot to put it in my first post... I'm catholic myself... Not a very true catholic though. I don't go to church often at all, I don't plan to get married in a church... and I really could pass as an astheist.... parents just won't let me.

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Originally posted by UTI
Exactly... Oh, and since I forgot to put it in my first post... I'm catholic myself... Not a very true catholic though. I don't go to church often at all, I don't plan to get married in a church... and I really could pass as an astheist.... parents just won't let me.

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Originally posted by UTI

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
What do you think of Religions?
Bad. Ok, so maybe most people that are religious don't go on killing sprees and are everyday happy nice people.

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No... some religions don't teach that... but some do... Terrorists are mostly acting out of religious vows.

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
he most common argument I hear to answer this is "free will". Apparently, any harm that befalls a human being is their own choice. I suppose it is in basic logic, but that makes "God" out to be a pretty crappy guy if he created viruses etc. (And ffs please don't say hackers made viruses.)

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i believe in God. and i am religious. but i dont believe that different religions are contrary to each other. ALL religion say the same things, teach the same principles. only power hungry and greedy people use religion religion as a tool to justify their wrong acts and deeds. being a hindu, i visit the temple. God is there, and religion is not bad, only the way some people have interpreted it is bad.

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Originally posted by Tasha

Then why doesn't everyone get an equal challenge? I thought everyone was equal to God?

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anyone heard the story where a barber asks a man why people suffered if there was God. and the man reacts by showing him a man who badly needed a shave and haircut and asks the barber why the man on the street was in such a condition when there was the barber. the barber replied by saying that if people didnt grow hair and beard, then they wont come to the barber in the first place. thats the same case with God. if people are always happy and have everything, why will they turn to God in the first place. people start praying only when they are in grave danger, only when they really need God.

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Originally posted by absorbation

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Originally posted by Tasha

Then why doesn't everyone get an equal challenge? I thought everyone was equal to God?

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How would that be a challenge, how would we feel jealously? Hey everyone who has had everything and been a horrible person may suffer for eternity whereas you will be happy for eternity.

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Originally posted by Tasha
I mean, why are some people in poverty, and others not? Why don't we all get an equal chance to have it all and have nothing? Why do those people get more of a challenge in life than others?

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Originally posted by Tasha
I mean, why are some people in poverty, and others not? Why don't we all get an equal chance to have it all and have nothing? Why do those people get more of a challenge in life than others?

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Originally posted by Rubber Stamp
maybe because some people work very very hard to achieve success.

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Causes more harm than good these days. But people are entitled to their beliefs who are we to judge, if you don't believe in religion like me, you are only gonna have one opinion on it really (It's crap).

My belief about religion though is that it is just an old "tool" used to keep control over people, it gave them something to look forward to if they followed the commandments, and something to fear if they didn't. and because it was so powerful (in those times) it worked. Now people need more fact and arnt as stupid, so they will break the rules, and most dont really believe in it anyway.

More and more people are now turning away for religion. because (Excuse the pun/cliché) They have seen the light

I don’t believe in God, and i think religion is pointless. At one time or another religion was "invented" it wasn’t born out of nothing, so how can something invented be based upon fact. Different religions have come and gone and others have changed vastly over time so how can this be all based on the same god, it just doesn’t seem to make sense. Religion is full of contradictions and i think the world would be a better place without it. Terrorists use bombs and murders as acts of religion. These people have taken something, a rule, or teaching and completely warped it to suit their own means there is nothing religious about it. Religion is a cause for conflict and not much else.

To say it short: I'm not a christian, jew, etc....
I simply don't believe in any god, I believe in facts and (err, something that aren't really proved) the big bang. I still believe in spirits, ghost, haunted stuff.

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Originally posted by Nitrolinken
I believe in facts

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Originally posted by Nitrolinken
the big bang

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this is where i might turn racist...

i'm quite sick of religeons since they only exist so the "church" or government could control the people. And as Nitrolinken said, i believe in facts. I'm quite a scientific person and no one can make me believe the gibberish. Sometimes when i watch tv with people who know i despise religions, turn the channel to one of the religious ones and hide the remote. It usually drives me mad until i realise there's and off switch on the tv

satanists ftw!

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Originally posted by Nitrolinken
I believe in facts

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(1.)The scientific history of the universe isn't fact. It's mainly unprovable theory.

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Originally posted by Nitrolinken
the big bang

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(2.)
Christian (and other religions) teaching is that (IF there was a big bang), it was caused by God. They don't actually believe that he just said "let there be light" etc

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I don't believe in God and I don't believe in religion. I think people who do are simple minded sheep who need to wake up.

I use to be like Sunshine etc, having respect for other peoples beliefs, but after a few years I just can't anymore. I see more and more bad things happen to people who believe in this thing. Quite frankly, the world would be much better off without this.

I use to drive a mormon to Tafe each day and back. That was until he imposed his beliefs on me and called my girlfriend a slut (here that girls, don't wear short shorts because you're a slut if you do). We were having a big fight on the last day I drove him, he got personal with me so I got personal with him. He couldn't prove to me that God was real, it is all built up on a belief structure. I mean, I have a tiny leprechaun sitting on my shoulder named Bob. Who are you to say it isn't real? You must believe! Then you can talk to my friend Bob .

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Originally posted by linx05
I mean, I have a tiny leprechaun sitting on my shoulder named Bob. Who are you to say it isn't real? You must believe! Then you can talk to my friend Bob (Smilie).

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this is an argument i came up with that seems to disprove God's existence... see what you think

assumption: the term "God" implies said being is omnipotent

can god create a puzzle so hard he cannot complete it?

if YES - causes a problem, there is something he cannot do - therefore he is not truly omnipotent, and is therefore not God

if NO - same as above, if he Cannot create this there is something he can't do, ergo he is not omnipotent and not God

summary - omnipotence causes an unresolvable paradox, therefore omnipotence is not logically possible - hence, God CANNOT exist

Note: This is a long post and I am not trying to preach to anyone or start any argument or anything. I am just posting my opinions and beliefs about religion and all of your thoughts about religion.

Do you believe there is a god/s?
I do believe that there is a god. I am an active member of a Christian church. Which church? It doesn’t matter.
What do you think of Religions?
I think that some are bad and just provide a way for control and violence etc. but I believe that most are good and are the opposite of this.
have some Religions gone to far with some of there  rules?
Absolutely…..
Are you religous?
Yup
Do you think religion causes to much violence?
Some do most don’t.
If you are religious why do you believe there is a god?
I do not believe that there is any way that the human body and all that has been created on this earth could have happened by accident.

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Originally posted by saralk
I don't think there is a god. People use god to explain why we are here, however, if you explain that we are here because another sentient being created us, it just brings the question of how did that being come to exist. And I think most religions conviniently ignore that.

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Originally posted by GiantSpider
I don't know, this is too much of a coincidence, but if there is God, how come loads of shit happens every day?

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Originally posted by Discrate
Yer i agree, if there is a god why does he/she/it let all this crap go on in the world like wars, fighting, poverty ect.

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Originally posted by Tasha

Then why doesn't everyone get an equal challenge? I thought everyone was equal to God?

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13
The most common argument I hear to answer this is "free will". Apparently, any harm that befalls a human being is their own choice. I suppose it is in basic logic, but that makes "God" out to be a pretty crappy guy if he created viruses etc. (And ffs please don't say hackers made viruses.)

Also, if we are created "in Gods image", how come we feel jealousy, hate, etc?

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Originally posted by Rubber Stamp
i believe in God. and i am religious. but i dont believe that different religions are contrary to each other. ALL religion say the same things, teach the same principles. only power hungry and greedy people use religion religion as a tool to justify their wrong acts and deeds. being a hindu, i visit the temple. God is there, and religion is not bad, only the way some people have interpreted it is bad.

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Originally posted by Mentality
Causes more harm than good these days. But people are entitled to their beliefs who are we to judge, if you don't believe in religion like me, you are only gonna have one opinion on it really (It's crap).

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Originally posted by Mentality

My belief about religion though is that it is just an old "tool" used to keep control over people, it gave them something to look forward to if they followed the commandments, and something to fear if they didn't. and because it was so powerful (in those times) it worked. Now people need more fact and arnt as stupid, so they will break the rules, and most dont really believe in it anyway.

More and more people are now turning away for religion. because (Excuse the pun/cliché) They have seen the light

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Originally posted by Negro_Joe
Terrorists use bombs and murders as acts of religion. These people have taken something, a rule, or teaching and completely warped it to suit their own means there is nothing religious about it. Religion is a cause for conflict and not much else.

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Originally posted by Supersonicdarky
this is where i might turn racist...
i'm quite sick of religeons since they only exist so the "church" or government could control the people. And as Nitrolinken said, i believe in facts. I'm quite a scientific person and no one can make me believe the gibberish. Sometimes when i watch tv with people who know i despise religions, turn the channel to one of the religious ones and hide the remote. It usually drives me mad until i realise there's and off switch on the tv

satanists ftw!

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Originally posted by linx05
I don't believe in God and I don't believe in religion. I think people who do are simple minded sheep who need to wake up.

I use to be like Sunshine etc, having respect for other peoples beliefs, but after a few years I just can't anymore. I see more and more bad things happen to people who believe in this thing. Quite frankly, the world would be much better off without this.

I use to drive a mormon to Tafe each day and back. That was until he imposed his beliefs on me and called my girlfriend a slut (here that girls, don't wear short shorts because you're a slut if you do). We were having a big fight on the last day I drove him, he got personal with me so I got personal with him. He couldn't prove to me that God was real, it is all built up on a belief structure. I mean, I have a tiny leprechaun sitting on my shoulder named Bob. Who are you to say it isn't real? You must believe! Then you can talk to my friend Bob .

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I do believe that there is a God but there are a lot of things that confuses me. They said that God created Adam and Eve and they were the two first people on earth, I would like to know what race they were. Lets assume that they were Caucasians, how do we end up with so many different race eg. Blacks, Chinese, Caucasians, Indians and many other? Are they considered the royal family? At this stage I try to do good things and try not to mix-up my brain with all these issues. Hi all...!

I'm a Druïd Necromist. I believe in the ghosts and the 3 wya's to die: Heaven (the 1st Gate), Hell (the second Heaven), Necromentis (Also known as Atlantis).

as we see the religions: Juwish & christians are 1, Muslims and satanists are 1, gothics + mediums + necromancers + boedists are 1

I do believe in God. I am a Christian. I'd have to say yes I am quite religious.

I'd like to ask a question to everyone relating to there beliefs. What is your view on the end of the world? Obviously I have my thoughts but I'm curious what others think. and if you do think there will be an end when do you think it will be?

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Originally posted by DJeX
I'd like to ask a question to everyone relating to there beliefs. What is your view on the end of the world? Obviously I have my thoughts but I'm curious what others think. and if you do think there will be an end when do you think it will be?

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i saught of believe in God but don't, , but if there really was a God, i don't think he'd have people suffering from Cancer etc

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Originally posted by Negro_Joe
I don’t believe in God, and i think religion is pointless. At one time or another religion was "invented" it wasn’t born out of nothing, so how can something invented be based upon fact. Different religions have come and gone and others have changed vastly over time so how can this be all based on the same god, it just doesn’t seem to make sense. Religion is full of contradictions and i think the world would be a better place without it. Terrorists use bombs and murders as acts of religion. These people have taken something, a rule, or teaching and completely warped it to suit their own means there is nothing religious about it. Religion is a cause for conflict and not much else.

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