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Originally posted by http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-05-15-airport-xray-bottomstrip_x.htm
Air travelers stripped bare with X-ray machine

By Thomas Frank, USA TODAY

The agency in charge of the nation's air security expects later this year to begin using a controversial X-ray machine that will show airport screeners a clear picture of what's under passengers' clothes — whether weapons or just bare skin.

The new system makes it easy to see possibly dangerous devices. 
Rapiscan Systems

Screeners plan to test the "backscatter" machines at several U.S. airports, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) says. The refrigerator-sized machines are considered a breakthrough in scanning technology but have been labeled "a virtual strip search" by the American Civil Liberties Union. (Related story: Airports test 'futureworld' devices)

Security workers using the machines can see through clothes and peer at whatever may be hidden in undergarments, shirts or pants. The images also paint a revealing picture of a person's nude body.

The devices can potentially be used to screen hundreds of millions of air travelers each year, although TSA says more study is needed to determine how the devices may be used at U.S. airports. The agency declined to say when and where it expects to test the machines.

Backscatter technology has been waiting on the sidelines for nearly four years but seems poised now to move to the forefront of aviation security. The machines are already used by U.S. Customs agents at 12 airports to screen passengers suspected of carrying drugs. They're also getting a test run at a terminal in London Heathrow Airport, the first major airport to use them.

The ACLU says the scanners invade personal privacy. "This leads directly to a surveillance society," says Barry Steinhardt, who runs the group's technology program.

But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told a Senate subcommittee last month that he wants to employ the technology and doesn't want an "endless debate" over privacy issues.

Security consultant Douglas Laird says the machines are essential to spot explosives, which aren't detected by metal detectors.

The $100,000 machines bounce low-radiation X-rays off a person's skin to produce photo-like computer images of metal, plastic and organic materials hidden under clothes, says American Science and Engineering. The TSA is testing its BodySearch machine.

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that guy looks like he's wearing a thong

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
In my opinion, it is simply watching pornographic pictures during work hours for the screeners, the travellers unwillingly making pornographic pictures, and child pornography for minors travelling. MAJOR privacy issue here peoples.

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Well maybe I exaggerated a little bit about the pornography. Just explicit pictures.

I think this would be good to use along side the normal metal detectors, like if it goes off you walk through one of these so it doesn't take as long to show them where the metal is (I hate waiting).  Even though there might be some privacy issues it is much better this way than having to strip down to show them IMO.  I know that my grandad sets off the metal detectors with his knee because of his knee reconstruction an I'm sure he would prefer to do it this way than to go through all the other stupid rigmarole of the hand held metal detectors and that kind of thing.

I don't think this is pornographic at all unless you use a lot of imagination (but you might as well google instead ). 

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Originally posted by WDZ

But I wouldn't consider it pornography... there are no erotic or sexual acts depicted...

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Hmm I think it will be a good thing since it will stop people smuggling stuff that doesnt get caught by the metal detectors (or the dogs =p)

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Originally posted by markee
I think this would be good to use along side the normal metal detectors, like if it goes off you walk through one of these so it doesn't take as long to show them where the metal is (I hate waiting).  Even though there might be some privacy issues it is much better this way than having to strip down to show them IMO.  I know that my grandad sets off the metal detectors with his knee because of his knee reconstruction an I'm sure he would prefer to do it this way than to go through all the other stupid rigmarole of the hand held metal detectors and that kind of thing.

I don't think this is pornographic at all unless you use a lot of imagination (but you might as well google instead ).

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In my opinion, it is simply watching pornographic pictures during work hours for the screeners, the travellers unwillingly making pornographic pictures, and child pornography for minors travelling. MAJOR privacy issue here peoples.

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Originally posted by Adeptus
  roughly 50% of humans have a penis, the other 50% have a vagina.

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But a lot of people are embarassed because they have a disability in the 'area' or maybe they might think they are small.

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
But a lot of people are embarassed because they have a disability in the 'area' or maybe they might think they are small.

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Originally posted by John Anderton
its not like these pics go up on the internet or w/e

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This reminds me of one of the naked guns, when they are going to the moon, and the people walk through the scanner, it shows a picture of them naked on the screen, and whenever a women walks through a light flashes and an alarm goes off.

I think this is a good idea, although I would probably be slightly self concious of walking through it the first few times, just because of my massive penis the social stigma of people seing you naked.

I guess if they did this, they would have a male and a female line. Although, from those images, it looks like the machine can tell the difference between organic and non organic material. So maybe a computer could do something with that, and only show people with suspect items on or something.

well there might be personal items like toys....

e.g dildos

* Nathan runs

ALSO they might have them in the wrong place at the wrong time

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Originally posted by saralk
I guess if they did this, they would have a male and a female line.

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I read somewhere about the m/f lines, and your screeners should be m if your m and f if your f...but theres one more thing...what if some screener is homosexual or bisexual?

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I think i would rather have a female being my screener but meh.

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Originally posted by Adeptus
Then he will get a stiffy from seeing your floppy, but you won't even know it happened.  Isn't that just awful?

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I think it's good with security but the privacy shouldn't be put on line...

Although comp. can probobly hide the "unwanted areas"

oh noes my bionic telescopic penis will show up

hehe no i think that its a good idea and as stated before its not like the person sitting at the scanner is going to think your any different, oh also i'm goign to feel sorry for them alot of the time, all the times i've been in airports i've seen alot more obese people than ever! imagine having to observe that setting the alarm off

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
I read somewhere about the m/f lines, and your screeners should be m if your m and f if your f...but theres one more thing...what if some screener is homosexual or bisexual?

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i dont care a fux if he sees people naked... its like...
he has seen waaaaay too many people a day to wank or whatever...
besides, the quality of the pics suck.

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Originally posted by Nitro
Although comp. can probobly hide the "unwanted areas"

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Originally posted by Nitro
Although comp. can probobly hide the "unwanted areas"

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and in that case...the first place to hide anything would be in your areas...painful - but people who are about to blow themselves and many others up wont care about pain like that.

but, the machine doesn't see THROUGH humans, to their insides..so, there will be stuff that is not metal shoved up people's behind's - not being metal means it wont trigger the alarm and being 'inside' the person means the new x-ray's wont pick it up either. and, it is still retreivable whilst in flight.  so the new system is by-passable...as is any system with a bit of thought - but to come up with that way to bypass the machine took no more than a matter of seconds - so anyone who intends do cause this much pain and suffering will be able to perform their act still and not be caught.

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Originally posted by vaccination
am going to hide a bomb in my stomach? ¬¬

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Originally posted by vaccination
Also they take an x-ray from front and back. so it doesn't need to see THROUGH humans.

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Originally posted by DJKAL

yes if you wanted to and worked out how to detonate it

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if its in side you they wouldnt know though!

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Originally posted by DJKAL

im just saying, it isnt a flawless idea

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Originally posted by vaccination
Thats what i mean how would you detonate it?

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Well maybe a metal detector as well that worked along side the x-ray machine?

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Originally posted by vaccination
Thats what i mean how would you detonate it?

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it could be placed in certain parts of your body where it could be retreived during the flight (in the tolets or something)

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Originally posted by vaccination
Well maybe a metal detector as well that worked along side the x-ray machine?

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and plastic explosives?

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Well, goatse for them, then!.

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Originally posted by vaccination
Well you got me there

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Originally posted by DJKAL
what if you were in a war, and were shot in the arm and the bullet is still there - is the case with many older people - then you would never be allowd to fly.

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sometimes they can't remove them, 'cause it seems to dangerous.

I realy want to tell more thinks but there are no english words in my mind xD.

cya
DarkSebman

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Originally posted by nimicitor
if you had a bullet in your arm then they could see that its
a) a bullet and that
b) its in your arm.

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Originally posted by DJKAL
then te next bomb is bullet shaped and planted in your arm

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Originally posted by haydn
And then when you set it off mid flight... and your arm explodes... and you fall to the ground in severe pain... and everyone's looking at you unaffected by the small explosion... where does the terrorist activiy come in?

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when you

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Originally posted by Adeptus
I disagree.

First of all, nudity and porn are two different things.   

Second, I have shocking news for everyone worried about their "privacy":  roughly 50% of humans have a penis, the other 50% have a vagina.  They all look about the same.  If you think yours is special in any way, you are being silly.  If you think the airport screener, who probably has seen a thousand of each on his X-ray machine just that morning, before you walked through it, is even going to give a second thought to yours -- you are being silly.

Obsessive shyness (as well as failure to differentiate between nudity and sexual situations) is a very recent phenomenon and it is not helping make the world a better place.  Get over it.

Other than that, I think these machines are a great idea and far more useful than most of the idiotic airport security measures to date.  The notion that offensive weapons must be made of metal is about 40 years obsolete;  today, we have plastic and ceramic materials to build an excellent assault rifle without using a single metal part.   Metal-free firearms are not mass produced and may be hard to obtain, but an effetive ceramic blade of any size could be easily made in somebody's garage.

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And then when you set it off mid flight... and your arm explodes... and you fall to the ground in severe pain... and everyone's looking at you unaffected by the small explosion... where does the terrorist activiy come in?

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Originally posted by haydn
And then when you set it off mid flight... and your arm explodes... and you fall to the ground in severe pain... and everyone's looking at you unaffected by the small explosion... where does the terrorist activiy come in?

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i bet there are ways!

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and...

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when you

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not me - im just saying

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im sure its possible...and if it isnt possible today..it will be soon - technology is moving on fast. it wont take long for ways to be possible.

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Originally posted by DJKAL
what if you were in a war, and were shot in the arm and the bullet is still there - is the case with many older people - then you would never be allowd to fly. because you'd have to prove that its a bullet and not a bomb...how would you do that? cut open the skarred wound?

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
A government letter stating that it is a wound and not any exposive  devices should work (not too sure)

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
BodySearch is only able to penetrate 30mm into a human's skin. So even if there is a bullet, it might not detect it.

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Originally posted by DJKAL
people shove them up their a*se crack...not many people look up there - perfect place

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if it works for drugs it will work for bombs...no seurity meausres check there

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
but I wonder how do the inspectors search their a*se crack.

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30mm into skin, but doesnt mean its 30mm up the crack.

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Originally posted by haydn
And then when you set it off mid flight... and your arm explodes... and you fall to the ground in severe pain... and everyone's looking at you unaffected by the small explosion... where does the terrorist activiy come in?

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meh Glass guns,
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/123500/123730yFhd.jpg
All they need is glass bullets

And what about health risks? aka xray radiation

If anyones been in a hospital they'll know the Xray department has restrictions on personnel being near direct Xrays.... even if it's a low intensity beam it's still a potential for health risks....

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Originally posted by NagamasaAzai
In my opinion, it is simply watching pornographic pictures during work hours for the screeners, the travellers unwillingly making pornographic pictures, and child pornography for minors travelling. MAJOR privacy issue here peoples.

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I think its ok.. and its not like there are implementing that security in Mexico

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Originally posted by Adeptus

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In my opinion, it is simply watching pornographic pictures during work hours for the screeners, the travellers unwillingly making pornographic pictures, and child pornography for minors travelling. MAJOR privacy issue here peoples.

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I disagree.

First of all, nudity and porn are two different things.   

Second, I have shocking news for everyone worried about their "privacy":  roughly 50% of humans have a penis, the other 50% have a vagina.  They all look about the same.  If you think yours is special in any way, you are being silly.  If you think the airport screener, who probably has seen a thousand of each on his X-ray machine just that morning, before you walked through it, is even going to give a second thought to yours -- you are being silly.

Obsessive shyness (as well as failure to differentiate between nudity and sexual situations) is a very recent phenomenon and it is not helping make the world a better place.  Get over it.

Other than that, I think these machines are a great idea and far more useful than most of the idiotic airport security measures to date.  The notion that offensive weapons must be made of metal is about 40 years obsolete;  today, we have plastic and ceramic materials to build an excellent assault rifle without using a single metal part.   Metal-free firearms are not mass produced and may be hard to obtain, but an effetive ceramic blade of any size could be easily made in somebody's garage. 

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I think i just foudn my dream job
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Wow what an invasion of privacy. I think people will find another way of transportation if this is how its going to be.

i don't see a problem with it, security comes first and i think the images would be private (for the worker only)

I don't really understand the embarassment argument. The person who sees it you most likely will never meet, never talk to, never even look at again after you have gone through the machine. It's not like s/he'd go home at the end of the day and laugh with their family about people who they saw Don't forget, they're looking at hundreds and hundreds of people every day, probably doing nothing more than a glance at the screen for any standing-out items (har har) that look suspicious. If you went up straight after being scanned and had a conversation with them, I very much doubt they would recognise you

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Wow what an invasion of privacy

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And what about health risks? aka xray radiation

If anyones been in a hospital they'll know the Xray department has restrictions on personnel being near direct Xrays.... even if it's a low intensity beam it's still a potential for health risks....

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If nudity is the problem, dont go with the gynecologist
what about them, they see them nude and in colour!


for women.

I seriously can't see it lasting for long, their are to many privacy issues involved, and I can't see many people being comfortable having there rights taken away from them and having just anybody be able to look through their clothes, despite the fact that some people don't have an issue with it, alot more people will.

It's against human rights, and it's invasion of privacy, no matter how you look at it, SECURITY OR NOT.

yet authorities can perform a cavity search whenever they please, lunacy

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yet authorities can perform a cavity search whenever they please, lunacy

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