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How much do you care about 9/11? by segosa on 09-13-2006 at 11:32 AM

How much do you really care?

Please answer honestly, I'm interested in seeing where everyone stands.

EDIT: In option 3 I meant sympathy instead of empathy.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by John Anderton on 09-13-2006 at 11:40 AM

<JAnderton> im between 'sort of' and 'i guess i care'
Its sad, but these things keep happening. I feel bad, but i move on pretty soon. Life has to go on.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by segosa on 09-13-2006 at 11:44 AM

Hmm, could an admin who sees this post please move the thread to General Chat? I meant to post it there but for some reason did it in T&T.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by blackjack on 09-13-2006 at 12:30 PM

Sort of.. Honestly..

That shocked me for about 2 days.. i saw it like i month on tv, but i was like.. Let it go.. just forget about it :S

I dont see the point in making tv shows about it.. Well.. theres a movie with Nicolas cage now =/.. Just alot of publicity about an unlucky terrorist action :(

* blackjack goes to school

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Aeryn on 09-13-2006 at 12:33 PM

Yeah, I think what happened is sad, it's always sad if innocent people die, but why constantly burden yourself with thinking about it. Life still has to go on.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by DeathGoth on 09-13-2006 at 02:38 PM

I have started a site, I also went to NYC on 9/11 and I am planning a trip to Shanksville Pa soon.

I believe there are alot of things that are not consistent with what the official story is.

I will take for instance this.

Bankers Trust and WT 7.....

They both had severe damage to both buildings... (supposedly WT7 altho it was some 60 to 80 ft away from the towers.

BT didn't have any fire damage to it, however WT 7 had fires that either started by sparks... How many people seen a steel frame building burn and fall cause of sparks?

It wasn't blown up because of the diesel in the building. Ironically Fema has stated that it collected all the diesel from the building.

Arson seems to be a good reason. But then again who has ever seen a arson fire take down a steel building before.

This is just 1 reason I care about 9/11 We are being lied to and its simple like that. Alot of Non-US people are in agreement that 9/11 was a farce and since Americans are stupid and worried about who is going to win on American idol there is no hope for us.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by lrac522 on 09-13-2006 at 03:03 PM

I really do agree with the highest percentage poled but it affected me so much I had to see it differently.(Y)

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Adeptus on 09-13-2006 at 03:41 PM

quote:
I believe there are alot of things that are not consistent with what the official story is.
The "official story" is that the buildings were hit by planes.  Many people saw that happen, the second plane we have on video tape.  Which part of that do you and your fellow tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists question?
quote:
Arson seems to be a good reason. But then again who has ever seen a arson fire take down a steel building before.
I don't suppose thousands of gallons of jet fuel could have anything to do with it... nah...  must be that secret U.S. government deathray satellite!

Yawn!
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Chris4 on 09-13-2006 at 03:45 PM

I watched the remakes of it all, made me nearly cry :sad:

Feel sorry for all the relatives <3

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by user27089 on 09-13-2006 at 03:48 PM

It's bad, but I think what's done is done. There's no point dwelling on it for the rest of our lives (does that make sense?). I feel a lot of empathy for the victims, their friends and their families, but nothing can be done about it.

RE: RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by DeathGoth on 09-13-2006 at 04:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Adeptus
quote:
I believe there are alot of things that are not consistent with what the official story is.
The "official story" is that the buildings were hit by planes.  Many people saw that happen, the second plane we have on video tape.  Which part of that do you and your fellow tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists question?
quote:
Arson seems to be a good reason. But then again who has ever seen a arson fire take down a steel building before.
I don't suppose thousands of gallons of jet fuel could have anything to do with it... nah...  must be that secret U.S. government deathray satellite!

Yawn!

Your talking about something completely different, I suggest you stop before I make a fool out of you. Ok.

I said WT7 What does jet fuel, plane, or anything else you said have to do with WT7?

Planes hit WT 1 and 2, not 7.

Get educated before you approach someone cause your feelings might get hurt.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by CookieRevised on 09-13-2006 at 04:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
I suggest you stop before I make a fool out of you. Ok.
...
Get educated before you approach someone cause your feelings might get hurt.
...says someone who calls the towers WT while their names are wtC and who says arson fire can't take down a steel building or seems to be an expert in fire damage and an expert in damage flow when buildings collaps...

Ever seen how a demolition team can take out a massive building without damaging the building 2ft from it or the opposite how they can precisely aim for that building 10ft away to be destroyed too and the other one 2ft away not?

Yes, the US goverment didn't tell or publisized everything (yet). However, to go from there to those utterly rediculus conspiracy theories is one bridge too far IMHO.

Believe in those conspiracy theories as much as you want though, but don't call people a fool or not-educated when they oppose to it as, IMO, that shows more about he or she who calls others that, than he or she who opposes to such theories.


9/11 was far from a farce...



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And I voted for
"a little bit: I think what the terrorists did was terrible, but it doesn't make me feel sad."

However it does makes me feel very sad when I think about why people are even capable of doing such things. It all comes down, again, to respect (or lack of) for the other human being, believes or relegion.

And all starts with ourselfs, and many people don't see that (eg: making fun of gay people or using "gay" as an association to something annoying/bad/stupid/etc for instances.... even on this forum, for instance...)
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Adeptus on 09-13-2006 at 04:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
Your talking about something completely different, I suggest you stop before I make a fool out of you. Ok.
1. "You're".

2. You made a fool out of yourself when you first posted in this thread.  However, if you would like to dig your own hole, I don't mind supplying the shovel.
quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
Planes hit WT 1 and 2, not 7.
There are published explanations for that, which I am sure you don't believe.  I am not going to enter into a lengthy engineering and physics discussion; that horse has been beaten to death elsewhere. 

Instead -- and keeping in mind we are talking about one related incident -- why don't you tell us what you think happened?  If somebody intentionally blew up building 7, surely they also staged everything else, right?  Let's not dwell on engineering details, let's talk about who and why.

So, here's your shovel.  What you do with it is up to you.   Show us how much of a lunatic you are willing to be. :P
RE: RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by DeathGoth on 09-13-2006 at 04:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Adeptus

Instead -- and keeping in mind we are talking about one related incident -- why don't you tell us what you think happened?  If somebody intentionally blew up building 7, surely they also staged everything else, right?  Let's not dwell on engineering details, let's talk about who and why.

So, here's your shovel.  What you do with it is up to you.   Show us how much of a lunatic you are willing to be. :P

You are the one that stated that WTC 7 was hit by a plane, this is a revelation to me and possibly everyone else here and around the world.

But since you wanna know what happened to WTC 7 I will tell you what I think happened.

I don't think it fell due to a plane hitting it, I also don't think it fell due to jet fuel getting on or in it, And I also don't think it fell due to Aliens and little lepercuans.

I do think it was taken down by a controlled Demo, even the owner of the lease by the name of Larry Silverstein stated in a documentary called 'American Rebuilds' that "the best thing for us to do was to "pull it", so we "pulled it."

Next on the list how is it that Bankers Trust right next to WTC 1 and 2 got hit and didn't catch fire.

Oh I know, they said that the diesel in WTC 7 had a about 20,000 gallons of diesel in there and caused it to blow up resulting in the tower falling.

We no apparently it wasn't the diesel tanks cause according to NIST, and FEMA that all if not most of the diesel was recovered.

Lets say that it caught fire by sparks. Now how the hell does a spark cause a severe inferno for a tower to burn for 7 hrs and then fall so nice and neat on its own footprint?

Footprint for all you kids joining us:

Meaning how a building falls after a demo where it goes into its how foundation.

Seems suspect to me.

Also Windsor Tower in Spain burned for over 24 hrs with temps over 4000F for you slow people that's about 2204C and didn't fall over.

I know the physics and such that day were weird, its hard to digest but I am sure your plane theory into WTC 7 will hold real well possibly the Jet Fuel also.. Get back to me on that when it hits mainstream, then you can go work for FEMA and NIST or even the 9/11 commission.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by absorbation on 09-13-2006 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
Oh I know, they said that the diesel in WTC 7 had a about 20,000 gallons of diesel in there and caused it to blow up resulting in the tower falling.

Jet fuel or kerosene/paraffi as it should be called burns extremely hot, so hot it can melt the steal structure of the building. I do not see why people convince themselves that all these conspiracy theories to be true. Conspiracy theories are a load of bullshit, the moon landing happened, Hliter is still not alive and Steve Irwin is not helping him take over the world.

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/September_11_2001

It's a load of rubbish, and unfortunately you have convinced your own mind, over time that it is true. Of course you will argue with me, complaining, but I won't take in your comments, you just have been fooled my friend.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Adeptus on 09-13-2006 at 05:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
I do think it was taken down by a controlled Demo, even the owner of the lease by the name of Larry Silverstein stated in a documentary called 'American Rebuilds' that "the best thing for us to do was to "pull it", so we "pulled it."
No, he did not.  The tin-foil hat crowd took words out of context and turned it into something that the man never said.  He has clarified it since.

Look here for a detailed explanation of why your theory is nonsense.
RE: RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by DeathGoth on 09-13-2006 at 05:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by absorbation
quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
Oh I know, they said that the diesel in WTC 7 had a about 20,000 gallons of diesel in there and caused it to blow up resulting in the tower falling.

Jet fuel or kerosene/paraffi as it should be called burns extremely hot, so hot it can melt the steal structure of the building. I do not see why people convince themselves that all these conspiracy theories to be true. Conspiracy theories are a load of bullshit, the moon landing happened, Hliter is still not alive and Steve Irwin is not helping him take over the world.

wrong son.

Flash point:     38 °C
Autoignition temperature:     over 425 °C
Freezing point:     -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning temperatures:     260-315 °C
Maximum burning temperature:     980 °C

hmm Steel starts to melt at 1535c around 4000f. I guess science is wrong eh?

Lets try again. Ohh and the fire in WTC 1 and 2 for jet fuel is stated that it only burned for about 15 or so seconds. Also the smoke blowing a nice black color showed the fires that were in the towers were starved of clean oxygen to get to a high point. If that were the case we would have seen steel columns in the towers glowing bright orangish in the middle of the day..

So your theory just got crushed.

quote:
Originally posted by Adeptus
quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
I do think it was taken down by a controlled Demo, even the owner of the lease by the name of Larry Silverstein stated in a documentary called 'American Rebuilds' that "the best thing for us to do was to "pull it", so we "pulled it."
No, he did not.  The tin-foil hat crowd took words out of context and turned it into something that the man never said.  He has clarified it since.

Look here for a detailed explanation of why your theory is nonsense.

If it is all bunk, why is it that the guys at popular mechanics who wrote a big article on debunking 9/11 conspiracies ironically 5 minute before airtime not go against 9/11 scholars?

Let me guess they are to wacked for PM?
Ohh and your Pullit it comment.

Another Look at 'Pull It'
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Tasha on 09-13-2006 at 05:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth

Next up.
I'm next up. And I'm here to say one thing.

The planes flew into the towers. It wasn't some big-ass conspiracy theory. What we saw happen, happened. END OF.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by absorbation on 09-13-2006 at 05:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
So your theory just got crushed.

Next up.

Read Adeptus' link, it explains every point you have made so far. Accept it, not everything is a cover up by the government.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by DeathGoth on 09-13-2006 at 05:23 PM

read mine, just edited

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Omar on 09-13-2006 at 05:56 PM

It sucks what happened, but its no different than the hundreds of other times in world history that hunders/thousands of people have died.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by WDZ on 09-13-2006 at 06:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
I do think it was taken down by a controlled Demo
A controlled demolition takes months of preparation. WTC 7 was occupied by a number of organizations right up until the attack and subsequent evacuation. When were the explosives placed and wired? I doubt a top-secret team of demolition experts entered the building with all their tools and equipment amidst all the smoke, dust, fire, and chaos... ^o)
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by absorbation on 09-13-2006 at 06:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by WDZ
A controlled demolition takes months of preparation. WTC 7 was occupied by a number of organizations right up until the attack and subsequent evacuation. When were the explosives placed and wired? I doubt a top-secret team of demolition experts entered the building with all their tools and equipment amidst all the smoke, dust, fire, and chaos...

True, and what is the motive for all of this, why would they do this? And with so many people involved, how come there is no one coming forward saying they helped?
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Adeptus on 09-13-2006 at 06:08 PM

We all know the 9/11 conspiracy theories are not really about the building 7.  They are not about proving it was demolished because of safety concerns, after having taken damage by the debris from buildings 1 and 2, and the government just decided to cover that one detail up.  That wouldn't make a very exciting conspiracy, would it?

That is why I think DeathGoth ought to tell us what he thinks really happened and who was behind the whole shebang.  Was it CIA?  Mossad?  Who knew about it in advance?  Why did they do it? 

Come on, don't hold out on us!  You know you want to share!

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by haydos on 09-13-2006 at 06:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C

hmm Steel starts to melt at 1535c
For the record, the building didn't have 'melt' to colapse - only weaken.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Menthix on 09-14-2006 at 05:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by haydn
For the record, the building didn't have 'melt' to colapse - only weaken.
True, and besides that... We're not talking just about a clean fuel burn. We're talking about a big plane which went through a big part of the building, surely that already damaged the steel. On top of that there was a huge explosion right after impact which damaged the steel even further. The fuel burn was just a small part of the process.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by user27089 on 09-14-2006 at 06:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DeathGoth
wrong son.

Flash point: 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: over 425 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 °C
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C

hmm Steel starts to melt at 1535c around 4000f. I guess science is wrong eh?

Lets try again. Ohh and the fire in WTC 1 and 2 for jet fuel is stated that it only burned for about 15 or so seconds. Also the smoke blowing a nice black color showed the fires that were in the towers were starved of clean oxygen to get to a high point. If that were the case we would have seen steel columns in the towers glowing bright orangish in the middle of the day..

So your theory just got crushed.

You're an idiot. The reason why the structure began to fall down is because the gurders in there began to melt and it just completely made the building unstable. If the plane didn't catch fire, then the building probably wouldn't have fallen down. Think about it, if something hits the top of something then it won't fall down, whereas if something happens to the supports of it (the gurders) then the building will began to move until slowly, but surely it collapses.

If we're outside a tower which is a really high way up, we're not going to see where the plane is exactly, remember that the tower was also filled with smoke from the aircraft crashing, we wouldn't not have seen many of the gurders melting.

The fire also caused parts of the building to catch on fire, so even if the plane did end up "going out" (which I doubt) then the building would still be burning hot.

You're not a specialist, you only have "theories" as to what you're talking about, whereas there are scientists and others out there that are dedicated to studying what happens hand on, and they wouldn't just release information as to why it all happened if it was untrue.

Maybe it was aliens who did it? Idiot.
RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Menthix on 09-14-2006 at 08:19 AM

Elvis is still alive, and so are the twin towers!!
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RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by linx05 on 09-14-2006 at 02:54 PM

lmao MenthiX

I do think there is something going on behind 9/11. I don't trust the American Government one bit. I am glad I'm not living under that regime.

I am pretty sick and tired of always hearing about it though. I am not ashamed to say I am happy the news reports are getting smaller and smaller each anniversary. Yes, I am sorry for the people who died but we can't keep living in the past. Move on I say (maybe I should take my advice sometimes lol).

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by Lourix on 09-14-2006 at 02:56 PM

Maybe it could have been prevented but what happened is in the past and we should learn from mistakes.

RE: How much do you care about 9/11? by ayjay on 09-14-2006 at 03:10 PM

I believe the conspiracy theories. I mean, it's not like the American government would have enough money to hire the most qualified physicists if (for some absurd reason) they did decide to have a bit of fun and kill a few thousand people in a conspiracy. Even if they did, I'm sure that these incredibly qualified people with the best minds in the field would be waaaaay too stupid to think of things like "oh noes!!1 steel doesn't melt at that temperature!". It's easy to see why a guy sitting at his computer with clearly way too much spare time would be able to outsmart them.