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i could be the next darwin!!!11 by joey on 04-24-2007 at 09:23 AM
ok, the subject is a lie, and no doubt 
wrong but...
i have a theory, and im not being mean/racist/whatever other "...ist" there is but does anyone think it's possible that [some] people that are born with disabilities maybe nature's way of trying to evolve us humans???
and humans are jsut trying out different ways to evolve, and some dont work. i mean it makes sense, but is it possible?
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Discrate on 04-24-2007 at 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by ICD
ok, the subject is a lie, and no doubt
i have a theory, and im not being mean/racist/whatever other "...ist" there is but does anyone think it's possible that [some] people that are born with disabilities maybe nature's way of trying to evolve us humans???
and humans are jsut trying out different ways to evolve, and some dont work. i mean it makes sense, but is it possible?
I dont agree. Most disabilities are cuased by genes in your body which get passed down from your parents arnt they?
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Volv on 04-24-2007 at 10:53 AM
... By saying that disabilities are what leads to evolution you're not making up your own theory, you're copying exactly what Darwin said 
Darwin's Theory of Evolution says that individuals are born different and those that are better suited (or adapted) to their environment/life out-live those which are less suited and in turn reproduce with one another, passing on the 'better' genes to children. So yes, disabilities can lead to evolution if having a specific disability gives you an advantage over others. A good example (and one which was used often during school) is an animal species which lives in a place where the main food source is the foliage of trees - animals born with a disability eg. an abnormally (or even slightly) long neck have an advantage over the other animals of its species as it can reach the foliage much more easily giving it a greater chance at living than those which are short. As the long necked animals breed they create more long-necked animals until those left with shorter necks eventually die out and you're left with a giraffe
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by joey on 04-25-2007 at 08:54 AM
well, that shut me up, i guess ill have to think of something else now...
* joey dies, then has some tea.![[Image: zippytea.gif]](http://shoutbox.menthix.net/images/smilies/zippy/zippytea.gif)
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Rolando on 04-25-2007 at 11:30 AM
Yes, mutations and stuff lead to evolution.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Volv on 04-25-2007 at 12:46 PM
I thought I should also probably clear up (before someone else does) that that theory is correctly called Natural Selection
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by absorbation on 04-25-2007 at 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Damokun
We're regressing because modern medicine is keeping alive those who should be dead, and so the bad genes are sticking around
True, humans are living much longer that we did even a 100 years ago. This is a shock to our bodies, our genetics are expecting not to last as long and hence cancer and heart disease has become more common in recent years (they are diseases mostly relating to age). People only knew what caused disease 200 years ago (bacteria), but it took even longer for health to prove and many died from serious diseases which could of been prevented.
Evolution takes 1000's of years, and our bodies aren't up for living as long as we do. Just 5000 years ago, back in pre-historic times, where life was simple, and disease was not common people only lived to around to their early 30's
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RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by LoochTheMan on 04-26-2007 at 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by ICD
[some] people that are born with disabilities maybe nature's way of trying to evolve us humans???
Disabilities are mainly the cause of mutation, (trisomy) of chromosomes. Being disabled would reduce your chance of sexual reproduction, and therefore limiting you from passing on those genes. Therefore I don't think it would evolve humans because we are not all born with disabilities, but we have an apparent inefficient way of performing meiosis of fetal cells. Thats what I think could be developing to reduce the amount of disabled offspring are produced.
Who knows, nothing we can do about evolution anyways.
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Originally posted by Damokun
We're regressing because modern medicine is keeping alive those who should be dead, and so the bad genes are sticking around
Says my science teacher
Very true, what we create as humans that arent natural to aid our survival as a social tool is a "meme". These memes are limiting the way natural selection actually selects.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by somelauw on 04-26-2007 at 11:34 AM
I believe in evolution, but I am convinced that all change is made by environment, not by organismns itself. Mutations are disabilities which can lead to improvements.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by foaly on 04-26-2007 at 02:03 PM
someone watched too much/less hero's/x-men
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Volv on 04-27-2007 at 10:09 AM
quote:I think what we make is an important factor in evolutionary theory. The ability to use tools and such to improve our abilities shows how far evolution has progressed us as a race and I don't think that this is really preventing our evolution, it is just indicating that our evolution has reached a peak - we're good enough to create what we need with our superior brains
Originally posted by LoochTheMan
what we create as humans that arent natural to aid our survival as a social tool is a "meme". These memes are limiting the way natural selection actually selects.
RE: RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by LoochTheMan on 04-29-2007 at 04:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volv
quote:I think what we make is an important factor in evolutionary theory. The ability to use tools and such to improve our abilities shows how far evolution has progressed us as a race and I don't think that this is really preventing our evolution, it is just indicating that our evolution has reached a peak - we're good enough to create what we need with our superior brains
Originally posted by LoochTheMan
what we create as humans that arent natural to aid our survival as a social tool is a "meme". These memes are limiting the way natural selection actually selects.
Thats true in a sense, but natural flaw such as infertility are being overcome by our social "memes". Infertile parents are able to conceive using many methods, which is actually going against evolution. Without the memes, these people would not reproduce, and therefore not pass on their alleles (genes) that code for infertility.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by Volv on 04-30-2007 at 11:23 AM
quote:That's true, but isnt this simply making fertility something which we no longer require to survive/reproduce (since we have other ways of doing this now) hence it could eventually be 'evolved' out of us? It's not really disadvantaging us or 'unevolving' us as it is becoming something which we may no longer have to (or need to) do in the future - there is no functional disadvantage of not being able to reproduce naturally if we can (in future) do it properly using artificial means.
Originally posted by LoochTheMan
Thats true in a sense, but natural flaw such as infertility are being overcome by our social "memes". Infertile parents are able to conceive using many methods, which is actually going against evolution. Without the memes, these people would not reproduce, and therefore not pass on their alleles (genes) that code for infertility.
PS: This reminds me of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' (which we studied in year 12 of school) where in the future females are given heavy contraceptives and instead humans are produced in a production line from the eggs extracted from women - it was a fairly good book showing the grim future which the author foresaw us living in and is a somewhat believable prediction.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by LoochTheMan on 04-30-2007 at 09:27 PM
Thats the whole concept of a meme. If its not happening naturally, then we are supporting the survival of infertile humans that would have probably been extinct if it weren't for modern technology; a meme.
Think of insulin. Without insulin, people with diabetes would die. The chances of them reproducing to pass the gene for diabetes would decrease. Over millions of years, this would eventually not exist because of natural selection against diabetes.
RE: i could be the next darwin!!!11 by vaccination on 05-01-2007 at 05:23 PM
Darwin*
That's been bugging me for some time.