yeah....but the first XP sucked also! same will be with the vista...later it could be something good of it

i reverted to xp too, but then i switched to ubuntu

vista will never run on this machine again =]

well...I have a question......can evrythng work on ubuntu? I downloaded it, and i about to instal it.....so...is it better than XP? is there any bad things?

yes there bad things.

Do you like gaming? = ubuntu linux don't why? most game makers targets windows.

Ubuntu is good for i dunno lol surfing? word proccessing? web hosting?

But then again wats windows not do that ubuntu does?

they all do same stuff just look different. but looks disappear after awhile.

i have vista desktop n vista laptop. n ubuntu machine.

yea sure vista requires high spec pc.

but its market drive. if u didnt have software to run on pcs. u wudnt have a need for fancey games, graphics etc. so everything works to gether. M$ = fancey os's n high spec.


hardware manufactures get more money as pc market expands to meet the high spec demand of vista

the only reason id get windows, is to use MP!L caws patchou hasnt realised that windows is crap yet

but the amount of free alternatives to most programs for windows is enormous! and [usually] if you get linux/ubuntu, it comes with an emulator called wine, which runs some NOT ALL windows programs.

its a hackers favourite too =p and there's no known viruses/worms because of the way linux was made. so its pretty secure too. id recommend it, and if its a good pc/laptop get Beryl. youtube it.

there's no known viruses/worms - Well why target something thats not the most popular o/s in the world?

The same thing was say about Firefox, Max osx and others.

but yet they've gained on M$ oh n wat do we see now worms n viruses and loopholes being found.

Do you think if linux was number one O/S in the world it wouldnt have daily viruses and worms?

Quite frankly its wrong. as soon as it becomes very popular it will all end up in same boat as M$. virus after virus after virus n worms.

Main thing for linux is its free. Well so is windows u usually get it free when you buy a new pc.

i use both. don't see the big advantage for picking ubuntu over windows.  all do the same things in my eyes.

an all the stuff is free in my eyes 2.(can be got one way or another everyone knows it.)

i have paid for some software but nothing more than £20. Only because i loved the program so much 

if it was insecure like windows is, i doubt it would be the most popular server OS, and its increasing popularity on the desktop front too. with the ability to do the same things that windows can.

and its the way that linux was built right at the beginning that made it inherently secure. its waaaaay safer than windows trust me =p

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the only reason id get windows, is to use MP!L caws patchou hasnt realised that windows is crap yet

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make one for aMSN, gaim[now known as pidgin], kopete.

Not saying it isnt safer. i'm just saying u can hack anything. if u put same amount of hackers on to linux os as on a windows os it would be hacked.

Most popular server O/S ? thats true.
But let me see. you hear about hackers hacking sites all the time. and hosting is constantly being targetted.

but then how do u hack something in a Data centre ? behind a hardware firewalls?(remember its fully qualified professionals behind most servers.)

Why is it the most popular? Price.

PHP free, Support ? openly free, Projects and pre built software tons n tons of it.

Mysql, free.

perl, free.

apache free.

Automated hosting account creation n billing managers and anything esle u can think of. Its all there.
Linux has been used for hosting sites for years n years. same way windows has been used on desktops for years and years.
Hosting using open source is free. basically all your paying is server cost. try buying a copy of windows 2003 enterprise that removes a memory limited it costs thousands. why spend that for license on all your servers? when you can get free o/s to do same job?



server vs desktop , linux has always been known for server O/S. windows for desktop.

Main thing linux needs for major boost in the markets. is good hardware support + they need major game titles for they O/S.
Once that happens there's nothing stopping anyone switchin to linux.

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server vs desktop , linux has always been known for server O/S. windows for desktop.

Main thing linux needs for major boost in the markets. is good hardware support + they need major game titles for they O/S.
Once that happens there's nothing stopping anyone switchin to linux.

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Depends what you prefer. I prefer windows. Is it better?

In my opinion yes. Did i learn to use it in school? nope. i didnt learn to use it in school.
Pcs in schools don't really cost thousands. Each PC has its own copy of windows. So you don't really need a license for windows.

Now the software you run on windows like office etc will cost. But whats stopping people from using open office?

I still prefer office 2003 or 2007.

So its down to what people prefer. I prefer windows and office on my Main home PC and my Laptop.  most linux apps now work on PC. So its just gonna be down to what comes pre installed on the PC you buy. at this moment and time dell offer both OS's.

So that will be the key efffect on the World of OS's.

Safer is main linux cry. Bit like firefox cried out over explorer we're safer.

Only M$ virus i can remember getting alot of people on windows was blaster. Alot of the viruses on windows happen because end user isn't educated.  What is stopping that happening on linux? When hackers n virus writers turn on that?

Lets face it most of the stuff is created as a challenge. like an internal competition. to see who can hack/break/cripple it first between different groups. Linux will be one hell of fresh challenge.

You no best bit about it? Linux source code. you can get your hands on the source code.

Firefox is prime example of being secure. then a prime example of getting hacked once it got close to being popular still getting bigger and still getting hacked.

yeah ive always wanted to learn scripting languages and make my own mini-OS. would be fun to do in my spare time time

upgrading, like my school did/are[dont go anymore] to XP cost them thousands, and it took them about 3years in total.

the main reason you dont learn to use Open Office, is because, MS office is just everywhere, people dont know of any other option. they dont want to learn something new, just because they think it'll be a lot different to what they know, which is just untrue.

and the safest web browser out is opera. i wish it was more popular =p

Not so long ago Firefox was.

Again its the unpopular that is the most secure.
You seeing the pattern here? or is it just me.
Example.
People download movies. you ever see how the most popular movie is always found before the not so popular movie?

You ever tried to find a movie that not so many people have heard of? Quite hard in some cases.

city of god. the best film ive ever seen even though its in portugese. english is my only language and i dont know that very well!

its a shame the good things never get the regognition they deserve:linux, open office, opera, loads of others =p

well.....i dunno a lot of op. sysstems, but I do know one thing.....which os do you think yheu use for space shutlles?

well....it is not WINDOWS, i am sure of that, and it IS special version of LINUX, I AM suer ...i think that NASA wouldn't like to risk having some kind of windows for space shuttles, cuz AMAZING probabylty of crashung [ bouth os and the suttle ]

i never ever have seen the any kind of linux os, only in some clips, and i'll probably try it sooner or later....

and btw I LIKE OPERA! IE and mozzila [ not so much as IE ] sucksssssssss!

so...linux is mych more secure im sure of that....so i read all thing you have wrote here, and i don't wanna use ubuntu yet cuz the msg+ can[t run on it

but, I'll instal it on lap top, or the other hard drive on this machine......

pih! it's all so confusing.....

I would have to assume that NASA uses its own system designed specifically for their shuttles from scratch and if they were to use either Windows and Linux, they wouldn't choose linux for stability, they would choose linux because it is open source and allows them to make modifications how they want whereas Windows is a completed (haha) package. Also, Windows isn't any more or less stable than Linux nowadays, it's the software in use which causes instability...

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city of god. the best film ive ever seen even though its in portugese. english is my only language and i dont know that very well!

its a shame the good things never get the regognition they deserve:linux, open office, opera, loads of others =p

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get aMSN, or pidgin they're really good. i use them both. and Ubuntu roxes!!!!

some kind of linux is used in space, by NASA and the  European Space Agency....google if uu don't thrust me, or click HERE!

yeah, I'm usre that ubuntu roxes ICD, but i don't like cuz msg+ can't be used, but I'll try ubuntu with the aMSN and pidgin maybe in these days....

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some kind of linux is used in space, by NASA and the  European Space Agency....google if uu don't thrust me, or click HERE!

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some kind of linux is used in space, by NASA and the  European Space Agency....google if uu don't thrust me, or click HERE!

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Well like I also said, I doubt that it was chosen because of stability, it is most likely because it is open source providing them with a base system to start with and allowing them to make their own modifications (which they most likely did) and because it is not prepackaged software which comes with a very specific user interface and cannot be modified.

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well...I have a question......can evrythng work on ubuntu? I downloaded it, and i about to instal it.....so...is it better than XP? is there any bad things?

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there's no known viruses/worms - Well why target something thats not the most popular o/s in the world?

The same thing was say about Firefox, Max osx and others.

but yet they've gained on M$ oh n wat do we see now worms n viruses and loopholes being found.

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i dont think so, because pretty much everyone i know that uses linux/ubuntu knows a few things about computers/technology and aren't as n00bish as that. but if it were a young child then maybe yes. but its easy enough to change what they visit.

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i dont think so, because pretty much everyone i know that uses linux/ubuntu knows a few things about computers/technology and aren't as n00bish as that. but if it were a young child then maybe yes. but its easy enough to change what they visit.

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he got me. although it depends if your a child prodigyor not really...[/off topic]

bottom line, linux is better than windows, and windows shoul be destroyed by a program made in linux, and linux would run the world. end of.

There's always the possibility that you're a sudoer and your child manages to open up a terminal and type sudo rm -rf *, or sudo sh ./shiftydownloadedprogram.sh. But you won't have your email client run scripts for you by default and other completely STUPID things like that.

Bottom line: Agreed. I think that while Windows is a reasonable consumer OS, it needs to disappear. I've got more than enough reasons not to give them my money now that I've looked deeper into the soap opera that is Microsoft customer and corporate relations. While there are still some places Windows has an advantage, I think these will go away as more people adopt Linux or other Unixen. Maybe they won't all go away and we'll still have Windows users ten years from now, but I think the software world will still be a completely different place.

linux fails at things like networking on a lan. with windows, you don't need to think about anything; what do you get when you install windows server? ldap, kerberos, dns, dhcp, http, https, ftp, nntp, smtp, ntp, telnet, radius, etc, etc out of the box without any configuration needed.

but linux has samba, connect to a wondows pc, and if you know what you're doing, its not that hard.

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linux fails at things like networking on a lan. with windows, you don't need to think about anything; what do you get when you install windows server? ldap, kerberos, dns, dhcp, http, https, ftp, nntp, smtp, ntp, telnet, radius, etc, etc out of the box without any configuration needed.

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but linux has samba, connect to a windows pc, and if you know what you're doing, its not that hard.

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Samba can host a domain controller?

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can it do group policy, acls

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