..to start desktop coding?

I've learned a bit of PHP, but I ain't that good at it.. I would like to give another shot at other languages but I don't know what to pick, and, most importantly, I don't know what guides to follow.. I've been browsing the web for C++ but I haven't found a good guide yet, I guess.

Can anyone direct me from here? Thanks

Some people might shoot me for this but I find C# a really easy language to learn and have found plenty of video tutorials for it located on MSDN. The fact that Visual C# 2005 Express Edition is free and helps you a lot with programming as the IDE practically does it for you.

Hope this helps.

Hm. I'll take a look into C# then. Thanks!

Any other suggestions?

Let me add that Visual C++ 2005 Express and Visual Basic .NET 2005 Express are also available for free.

If you plan to go in to programming as a profession, you'd be better off learning as many languages as you can.  Learn the .NET aspects, and also learn the basic Win32 programming so that if the opportunity arises you are good to go.

No, actually I pretend to follow economics Nevertheless, whatever I can learn will surely be useful on the future, you never know what you're going to get..

Could you be a bit more specific?

I'm sorry but may I ask what "Desktop Coding" is?

It was the only way I found to name something that wasn't related to web coding. It's one of the few times in the year I'll have to spend time with this, I'm looking forward for new suggestions.

Oh, well, I am still a noob in coding, but honestly, I wouldn't start with C++ since it's pretty low level language.

C# isn't bad, since it combines the nice things of Java and the nice things of the C language.

Personally I've started with JAVA, and to be quite honest I believe it's a nice way to start.

You should give Delphi a try.

It's easy to use and very powerful.

i think you should start with JScript... i started there ;o

then once you know the codes good and can understand coding quite well i would move to another one... maybe VB or C/C++/C# =p

but thats just me!

and also PHP has a similar syntax to JScript

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Originally posted by NanaFreak
i think you should start with JScript... i started there ;o

then once you know the codes good and can understand coding quite well i would move to another one... maybe VB or C/C++/C# =p

but thats just me!

and also PHP has a similar syntax to JScript

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Originally posted by alby
Oh, well, I am still a noob in coding, but honestly, I wouldn't start with C++ since it's pretty low level language.

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Originally posted by Verte
[you know better than some dumb algorithm when you don't need your data anymore]

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[you know better than some dumb algorithm when you don't need your data anymore]

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err... garbage collection disposes of objects when they aren't referenced anywhere anymore, meaning they can't possibly ever be accessed

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That's what they should do. But, if you use pointers anywhere, you've got to be very careful with GC. For example, if you pass a pointer variable to a subroutine, and the subroutine uses a temp variable to represent that variable inside, assigns a new object on the heap to the temp variable, and then the temp variable goes out of scope, most GCs will free the object. In cases such as these, you've got to increment the reference counter by hand, which is to say that you're essentially doing manual garbage collection anyway. This is because Garbage collection typically only tracks direct assignments, and where one variable may reference an object indirectly [such as through an array of pointers or references] the GC will not count the [second-order] reference.

IMO, you know when you're done with data, you deal with it.

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pyhton
if you just want get used to something

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Originally posted by Verte
That's what they should do. But, if you use pointers anywhere, you've got to be very careful with GC. For example, if you pass a pointer variable to a subroutine, and the subroutine uses a temp variable to represent that variable inside, assigns a new object on the heap to the temp variable, and then the temp variable goes out of scope, most GCs will free the object. In cases such as these, you've got to increment the reference counter by hand, which is to say that you're essentially doing manual garbage collection anyway. This is because Garbage collection typically only tracks direct assignments, and where one variable may reference an object indirectly [such as through an array of pointers or references] the GC will not count the [second-order] reference.

IMO, you know when you're done with data, you deal with it.

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thats why GC languages don't use pointers, they use references

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[recently a friend couldn't work out how to convert a string to an integer- turns out you can subtract zero to do this. Just too strange].

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int atoi(const char * pstr) {
    int i;
    int nRet = 0;
    for (i = 0; ; i++) {
        if (pstr[i]==0)
            break;
        if (pstr[i]>='0' && pstr[i]<='9') {
            nRet*=10;
            nRet+=pstr[i]-'0';
        }
        else return 0;
    }
    return nRet;
}

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Originally posted by Verte
[recently a friend couldn't work out how to convert a string to an integer- turns out you can subtract zero to do this. Just too strange].

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That would be subtracting the character '0'. That's possible in C/C++ as well.

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Some people might shoot me for this but I find C# a really easy language to learn and have found plenty of video tutorials for it located on MSDN. The fact that Visual C# 2005 Express Edition is free and helps you a lot with programming as the IDE practically does it for you.

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by Verte
recently a friend couldn't work out how to convert a string to an integer- turns out you can subtract zero to do this. Just too strange

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